Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

[clnire]

I still have mine from the, er, 60's....

70's for me....

AND I'll wager the tips are blackened.

Yep, pretty much...

 

[tj99959]

Don,t keep a batt log any more. I just looked up the purchase date of the PV's. They've all been on their original batt since getting 'em.

Lordy .. that would have me using 7 year old batteries in my Mako

I got 4 HG2's last Christmas to replace some of my AWs. They had the old black stickers on them, so I figured it was about time.
I still use nothing but AW for my 18490s.

My "really hot" coil is running at 2.06a, & 3 ohm cartos at just 1.5a, so I don't worry all that much about loss of capacity.

 

[tj99959]

Well darn!

 

[DavidOck]

Someone recently mentioned noticing their batteries were taking longer and longer to reach a full charge. Do batteries charge more slowly as they are used more and more? I never noticed or paid attention to that.

As they age the storage capacity falls off (slowly), so it might just be that they're being drained to a lower state before charging - so it takes longer to reach full. Maybe.

 

[tj99959]

Actually, when a battery has pretty well had it, it doesn't take long at all to charge it.

 

[englishmick]

Actually, when a battery has pretty well had it, it doesn't take long at all to charge it.

That would be my guess too. If I put a new battery and an old battery on the charger at the same time the new one seems to take quite a bit longer to charge. I'll have to check if it happens that way with 2 batteries that are at the same starting voltage though. My memory might be playing tricks.

 

[bigbells]

As they age the storage capacity falls off (slowly), so it might just be that they're being drained to a lower state before charging - so it takes longer to reach full. Maybe.

Actually, when a battery has pretty well had it, it doesn't take long at all to charge it.

That would be my guess too. If I put a new battery and an old battery on the charger at the same time the new one seems to take quite a bit longer to charge. I'll have to check if it happens that way with 2 batteries that are at the same starting voltage though. My memory might be playing tricks.

There is one place where I've found what I'm pretty sure is accurate information regarding these battery mysteries. I'd be more sure of the accuracy if I had a firm grasp on battery technologies and properties, but virtually none of us have enough knowledge to back up what we think we possibly might know. Know what I mean?


Here's one relevant page from the fairly vast compendium of battery knowledge of which I speak. Charging Lithium-Ion Batteries

 

[tj99959]

Here's one relevant page from the fairly vast compendium of battery knowledge of which I speak. Charging Lithium-Ion Batteries

Only one problem:
That's a 2010 publication, and virtually none of the batteries listed are in use for vaping anymore.
The chemistry has changed since then.

But, you're right! In fact battery chemistry has changed so quickly in the last 4 years or so that it's now relevant to ask "which battery are you asking about", because some may react quite differently than others.

 

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[bigbells]

Only one problem:
That's a 2010 publication, and virtually none of the batteries listed are in use for vaping anymore.
The chemistry has changed since then.

I can't figure out why you find Battery U's info to be outdated, but I didn't know they had any listing of specific batteries. Link please? I use the website for general information about the Li-ion batteries we use in our vaping devices today. In the Q & A that follows the articles, there are old questions and answers but there are also questions and answers from 2017.

 

[tj99959]

I didn't know there was any listing of batteries on the Battery U website. Link please? I have used the website for general information about the types, not the brands, of the batteries we use in our vaping devices today.

Type of cell, not brand.
Lithium Cobalt (ICR) is an explosive chemistry, and very low amperage. They have no place in modern day vaping.
Lipo cells have become much more reliable than they were back then. However Lithium Polymer is still an explosive chemistry, so use at your own risk. Lipo's normally exploded on the charger (after a good bump). That's why we have "Lipo Bags".

In today's world we use Lithium Manganese, (IMR) and Lithium Nickle/Manganese (INR) cells, that are not covered in that report. We use them because they can be made to vent but not explode, and they're "high drain" cells.
IMR was brand new at the end of 2010, (the first 16a cell on the market) and INR didn't even exist. (the first 20a cell on the market)

However, I didn't say that BU was a bad site. I said that report is to dated to be of much use. You would be much better off by plugging into Mooch's blog.
Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[bigbells]

Type of cell, not brand.
Lithium Cobalt (ICR) is an explosive chemistry, and very low amperage. They have no place in modern day vaping.
Lipo cells have become much more reliable than they were back then. However Lithium Polymer is still an explosive chemistry, so use at your own risk. Lipo's normally exploded on the charger (after a good bump). That's why we have "Lipo Bags".

In today's world we use Lithium Manganese, (IMR) and Lithium Nickle/Manganese (INR) cells, that are not covered in that report. We use them because they can be made to vent but not explode, and they're "high drain" cells.
IMR was brand new at the end of 2010, (the first 16a cell on the market) and INR didn't even exist. (the first 20a cell on the market)

However, I didn't say that BU was a bad site. I said that report is to dated to be of much use. You would be much better off by plugging into Mooch'es blog.

Thanks, TJ. I'm afraid I lumped all of them together as Li-ion. Almost all of the batteries I use are Samsung INR 18650 25R5 batteries. I didn't know what composition they were until a few minutes ago, after I looked up my order from Nov 2015, when I bought 14 of them in a Black Friday sale. I'll check out Mooch'es blog, if I can find it. Oh, you provided the link to it, thanks! One thing about the BU site is that they cover all types of batteries and don't ever speak specifically about vaping.

 

[tj99959]

I'm afraid I lumped all of them together as Li-ion.

All too common. Go buy a new drill and ask them what kind of batteries it uses. You wouldn't believe the fun you can have.

I added a link to the blog.

 

[Semiretired]

I have recently added some new batts to my cycle and have noticed that the older ones do charge faster. Case in point. Older batt shows the level is 3.8 when I put it in the charger and the newer batt shows 3.84 - the older batt with the lower charge will finish first. It does not beat it by much - only a few minutes.

 

[Semiretired]

Question for the group.

What would you say is the simplest coil to rebuild? I use the older style Kanger coils and I am starting to recognize that there will be a day that them tiny things are going to be a PITA to rebuild as I get older...

 

[MikeE3]

Question for the group.

What would you say is the simplest coil to rebuild? I use the older style Kanger coils and I am starting to recognize that there will be a day that them tiny things are going to be a PITA to rebuild as I get older...

Time to step up your vaping gear ... KFL V5's are dang easy to re-coil.

 

[Semiretired]

Time to step up your vaping gear ... KFL V5's are dang easy to re-coil.

Are those okay for tootle puffers? I forgot to add that part in my question.

 

[MikeE3]

Are those okay for tootle puffers? I forgot to add that part in my question.

I vape mine @ 12 watts w/ a 1.5-1.7 ohm coil. Am I a tootle-puffer? They will be more airy than a Kanger though.

 

[bigbells]

All too common. Go buy a new drill and ask them what kind of batteries it uses what aisle has the outdoor extension cords.

I know that battery-powered power tools have come a LONG, long way since the weak portable drill that I bought a million years ago, but the experience made me a true believer in 110V AC.

Thanks for sticking with me long enough to get me to see what you were talking about when you said that Battery U doesn't have info about the lithium batteries that most of us now use in our vaping devices. I wonder which principles may now be different regarding INR batteries compared to the principles of ICR and Lipo batteries.

My "biggest" portable batteries are the 3 and 4 cell lipos used by my DJI quad copters.

Vaping and wicking with organic cotton: I can't figure out what I did wrong but the most recent wick I made caused my tank to leak badly. I rearranged the wick tails several times but the leaking continued, so all I can do is replace the wick and hope I don't remake whatever mistake I made that caused this wick to be a leak facilitator.

 

[Kenna]

Are those okay for tootle puffers? I forgot to add that part in my question.

Yes! And with 4 airflow settings h if the smallest isn't tight enough you can get the kit to make it smaller, & use a different drip tip also.

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