Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

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Hello all on the porch. Dropped by to get some advice...

I am finally going to start mixing my own juice. $40 for a 120 ml bottle at the local store just chaps my crochety old hide, especially since $6 of that is an added state tax (5 cents/ml).

I know there are quite a few DIY juicers here, so I was wondering...what juice calculator are you folks using ? I've been reading some on the DIY forum, and mixing by weight seems to make the most sense to me, so hopefully the calculator would include weight options.

Any other tips for somebody just getting into this would also be appreciated.

Merry Christmas !
Mike
I use the ejuice me up calculator. It has weight options. That's how I mix.

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Happy Holidays everyone!

Awwww. El Whacko enthusiastically says woof, woof!

Well the only thing I see is one offers Kanthal and Ti one just Ti. I don't care for Ti anymore just threw a spool away. But it does work pretty well on TC which you don't use anyway Phil.

When did you stop liking Ti?! I bought a roll, haven't used it yet, because you said it was better than kanthal. :grr:

Hello all on the porch. Dropped by to get some advice...

I am finally going to start mixing my own juice. $40 for a 120 ml bottle at the local store just chaps my crochety old hide, especially since $6 of that is an added state tax (5 cents/ml).

I know there are quite a few DIY juicers here, so I was wondering...what juice calculator are you folks using ? I've been reading some on the DIY forum, and mixing by weight seems to make the most sense to me, so hopefully the calculator would include weight options.

Any other tips for somebody just getting into this would also be appreciated.

Merry Christmas !
Mike

I use ejuicemeup too. :thumb:

Work near a sink, it's just easier. Some people work in a baking dish or something similar in case there is a spill.

Don't work with the nic around kids or pets (and it sounds like you've cornered the market on kids :)).

If you get some nic on you, you will not shrivel up, convulse and die. The worst anyone has reported is a burning sensation. Just wash it off ASAP. Even my nonsmoker/nonvaper husband who can't keep his hands out of things had no reaction to contact with 100 mg/ml. Just made him wash it off. I used to be a bit paranoid of the stuff. Don't be paranoid of it, just respect it and you'll be good

You will be able to afford many more grand kids making your own juice.

Many holiday season sales are being posted here. ECF Suppliers' *Happy Holidays* Specials !

Except for nic, I measure employing the eyeball system since I don't use flavoring. Flavoring costs a lot. Make small batches until you find a recipe you really like, it saves money.

Have a "dump bottle." Made a horrid juice? Dump it in the bottle. As the bottle gets full, try it. I've seen a lot of people here say that one of their favorite juices was came from the dump bottle. Of course they can never reproduce it again but at least it was vapable in the end.
Always write down and save what recipe you made. A lot of sad stories about people who didn't follow that golden rule.

Last rule that I can think of off the top of my head is that you must report back here regularly on how you are doing with DIY. Not doing so is the only time we ban people from the porches. ;) Permanently.

Some of you occasionally but not often go to 'our back porch'. I just didn't want you to miss this moving Christmas message from one of our long time friends.

Lounge Lizards / Misfits / Free Thinkers / Bohemians & the Forgotten :: Young at Heart Only

Thank you! He did a most excellent job. :thumb:
 
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When did you stop liking Ti?! I bought a roll, haven't used it yet, because you said it was better than kanthal. :sneaky:



I use ejuicemeup too. :thumb:

Work near a sink, it's just easier. Some people work in a baking dish or something similar in case there is a spill.

Don't work with the nic around kids or pets (and it sounds like you've cornered the market on kids).

If you get some nic on you, you will not shrivel up, convulse and die. The worst anyone has reported is a burning sensation. Just wash it off immediately. Even my nonsmoker/nonvaper husband who can't keep his hands out of things had no reaction to contact with 100 mg/ml. Just made him wash it off. I used to be a bit paranoid of the stuff. Don't be paranoid of it, just respect it.

You will be able to afford many more grand kids making your own juice. Many holiday season sales are being posted here. ECF Suppliers' *Happy Holidays* Specials !

Except for nic, I measure employing the eyeball system since I don't use flavoring. Flavoring costs a lot. Make small batches until you find a recipe you really like, it saves money.

Have a "dump jar." Made a horrid juice? Dump it in the jar. As the jar gets full, try it. I've seen a lot of people here say that one of their favorite juices was came from the dump jar. Of course they can never reproduce it again but at least it was vapable in the end.

Always write down and save what recipe you made. A lot of sad stories about people who didn't follow that golden rule.

Last rule that I can think of off the top of my head is that you must report back here regularly on how you are doing with DIY. Not doing so is the only time we ban people from the porches. ;)



Thank you! He did a most excellent job. :thumb:
I'm somewhat proud to say I've broken or ignored every one of those statements!
 

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Hello all on the porch. Dropped by to get some advice...

I am finally going to start mixing my own juice. $40 for a 120 ml bottle at the local store just chaps my crochety old hide, especially since $6 of that is an added state tax (5 cents/ml).

I know there are quite a few DIY juicers here, so I was wondering...what juice calculator are you folks using ? I've been reading some on the DIY forum, and mixing by weight seems to make the most sense to me, so hopefully the calculator would include weight options.

Any other tips for somebody just getting into this would also be appreciated.

Merry Christmas !
Mike
Mixing is good. My own e-juice calculator is just doing the calculations in my head (or with a standard calculator) with a few notes on paper. Because of this, I strive to end up with juice formulas as simple as I can make them. My current "formula" is two parts of a weak nic base mixed with one part of a stronger nic base. It's hard to get much more simple than that.

My e-juice is very strong, so yours might be something more like one part nic base, 4 parts PG and 5 parts VG. I find that the actual PG/VG ratio is really not very critical, so if you have found that you like mostly-VG juices, then probably anything between 60% and 80% VG will work for you. This lets you choose an easy-to-mix formula that ends up anywhere in that range.

Nicotine content is likely a little more critical, especially if you want fairly low amounts of nicotine. Still, if you are aiming for 12 mg/ml (for example) you will probably be able to use anything from 10 to 14 mg/ml (roughly plus or minus 15%). Again, this lets you choose a mixing formula that is less complicated than some "exact" formula that calls for mixing 13.243574 ml of PG plus 47.9846584 ml of VG and 4.73642 ml of nic base.

If you like e-juice that is mostly one or the other of PG or VG, consider getting your nic-base in the carrier that you want the least of in your final formula. For instance, if you want to end up with 10 mg/ml nicotine and 90% VG, get your nic base as 100 mg/ml nicotine in 100% PG. Then you would just have to mix one part of your nic base with nine parts VG, and voila! there is your e-juice with an easy to mix formula. You could use the same method to end up with 20 mg/ml nicotine and 80% VG by mixing at one to four.

My point is: it is MUCH more important to end up with a simple formula than it is to hit some exact PG/VG ratio and nic strength. For one thing it will make it MUCH less likely that you will make a mistake while mixing that means you have to toss a batch of juice, or (worse) maybe spend a few weeks wondering why vaping is not satisfying your nic craving (or maybe making you slightly nic-sick for those weeks).

As far as mixing by weight vs mixing by volume: PG, VG, and nicotine are all close enough to 1 gram/ml (SG of near 1.0) that it makes little difference, especially if you take my suggestion that exact ratios are fairly unimportant. What you are aiming for is a simple to mix formula that works for you. What do you care about exact numbers as long as you are satisfied by your result? And that you can mix it week after week, month after month, without making mistakes or sweating over amounts (or weights) too small to really matter.

As a closer, If you want to post (or PM) what strength and PG/VG ratio you are aiming for, and what nic-bases are available to you (you can get up to 100 mg/ml nicotine (10% nicotine) in the US, while the max strength available in the UK is somewhat lower), I would be happy to try to find an easy-to-mix formula that comes close.
 

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We'll have 12 grandkids over here in the next few days, and old grandad is going to need a little Old Grand Dad before all is said and done.

Oh my word! We'll have 3 under 3 years old and 1, 11 year old staying over tonight. I can't imagine 12 of' em running around the house at the same time.
 

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Oh my word! We'll have 3 under 3 years old and 1, 11 year old staying over tonight. I can't imagine 12 of' em running around the house at the same time.

They range from 22 years to 16 months, the bulk of them in the early to mid teens. The 4 year old thinks I am part dragon, because I make "smoke" come out of my nose ! That trick is often requested.
 

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What you are aiming for is a simple to mix formula that works for you. What do you care about exact numbers as long as you are satisfied by your result? And that you can mix it week after week, month after month, without making mistakes or sweating over amounts (or weights) too small to really matter.

I hear you about chasing numbers. I've reloaded ammo for years, and in the beginning spent a lot of time chasing that last .05 grain of powder or .0005 inch of length- only to find out it didn't make any difference except making the job a lot tougher than it had to be.

Simple is good and is what I am aiming for. I learned that making beer. Thanks for the reminder.

I think I am going to use 100 mg. nic in a 50/50 base. Most of my juice these days is 2 mg nic in either 50/50 or 70v/30p . Running those numbers through a calculator shows both should be pretty easy to mix.
 

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Oh my word! We'll have 3 under 3 years old and 1, 11 year old staying over tonight. I can't imagine 12 of' em running around the house at the same time.
My grandparents would have 13 grands all of their parents at Christmas sometimes. The parents would split between a couple of homes. Kifs were stacked on a queen sofa bed & all over the livingroom floor.

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I hear you about chasing numbers. I've reloaded ammo for years, and in the beginning spent a lot of time chasing that last .05 grain of powder or .0005 inch of length- only to find out it didn't make any difference except making the job a lot tougher than it had to be.

Simple is good and is what I am aiming for. I learned that making beer. Thanks for the reminder.

I think I am going to use 100 mg. nic in a 50/50 base. Most of my juice these days is 2 mg nic in either 50/50 or 70v/30p . Running those numbers through a calculator shows both should be pretty easy to mix.

Maybe just get your nic in VG, add PG as needed to your preference? Do remember that most flavors are in PG.

I mix a "working" stock down from 100, to just above my normal nic, and just below my preferred PG. The flavors bring the nic down a tad and the PG up a tad. Mixing is a snap - run the calcs for the size batch and measure out the flavors. Top up with my working stock, and clean up.
 

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When did you stop liking Ti?! I bought a roll, haven't used it yet, because you said it was better than kanthal. :grr:
It was before they started making the mods so they would work on TC with SS. Much better then Ni200. It is much more responsive then most but you can't dry burn it some do but I didn't feel it was safe so I never did it. SS is my go to wire now. It's not as responsive but I feel much safer. Plus you can use it on Power or TC. And easier to work with. Some people still swear by it.
 

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Well my SXK extensions have cleared San Francisco but the Attys haven't got there yet. Figures cart before the horse. Can't wait for the SXKs these Sirens really seep a lot of juice out the bottom on the edge of the attys. Both do it, only goes on the SS plate but leak way worse then any of my K5s. Not sure if one of the Orings in the packet fit it but they are new don't see how they could be leaking.
 
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To my astonishment my FT order showed up yesterday. Not bad for items that were listed as in stock when I ordered and showed OOS right after I ordered. Lucked out but only because I ordered the same old and wasn't dying to get something new I'd never tried before. :rolleyes:

I'm somewhat proud to say I've broken or ignored every one of those statements!

I think most of us have... and we knew better when we did. :lol:

It was before they started making the mods so they would work on TC with SS. Much better then Ni200. It is much more responsive then most but you can't dry burn it some do but I didn't feel it was safe so I never did it. SS is my go to wire now. It's not as responsive but I feel much safer. Plus you can use it on Power or TC. And easier to work with. Some people still swear by it.

Legs, thank you for the explanation. I flubbed it but it all works out okay in the end. I ordered the SS, not the other stuff. :facepalm: Was thinking of getting Ti but switched it to SS on your recommendation. Someday I'll actually get my act together and try the stuff.
 

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@MikeE3 well I tried SS in my Siren and it was pretty good at first but then it got so If I would try a partial lung hit it would taste burnt the other with Kanthal is working well, so I had this idea whilst napping on and off and decided to make a coil like you do. It is slightly different 28ga Kanthal 2.5mm ????wraps 1.5ohms and so far good. Thought I might as well get into practice for the Primes. Uses less power but these sirens when using MTL do not like TC the vapor drops off and the SS after using it on TC and going to power tastes burnt and really gives you lungs a wake up. It's really weird that the SS on TC on the siren just doesn't work well at all flavor and vapor drop off on my old K5s with the smallest air restrictor work great on TC with SS. Now that I have gotten used to doing the MTL it's easy enough on the K5s also so these Primes should be right up my alley.
 
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