Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

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I'm confused. I read that article amd thought, well good. So I googled for the entire report, which I could not find but found this from the surgeon general which doesnt sound positive at all.
Know the Risks: E-cigarettes & Young People | U.S. Surgeon General’s Report

I also found this article at the Washington Post, which is one of the few I trust because they vet their stories thoroughly. Again not positive at all.
Surgeon general calls youth e-cigarette smoking ‘a major public health concern’

I really want to read the surgeon general's report because both of my links only mention young people. If anyone can find the link please post it.
 

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I try, but just cannot understand that guy due to his thick accent.
I'm thinking he'd say the same about you. :lol:

I think I told you about how when my sister came to visit, I had to play interpreter so that she could understand my neighbors.
 

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Nice to hear you like it. I saw a contest for those, and it seemed interesting. Do you know what the inbuilt tank is made of?
I try, but just cannot understand that guy due to his thick accent. Can I get the abridged version?

No idea and not about to dismantle it to find out. I am sure there are youtube reviews about it somewhere have not bothered to look.


Rofl nope I am not a translator of accents I had no problem understanding him. One just has to listen carefully. The presenters command of the English language was commendable compared to some of the English I have heard spoken in English speaking countries. I give the presenter top marks for the doco. Just watch it a few times, it takes patience to understand accented English
 

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From 1001AM until 2126PM th porch was quiet. It didn't show up in the New Posts... Anyway, I hope the last couple of days have been good.

Happy New Year!
I only log into the porch once a day,
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So this afternoon I spent some time reading through the recent Surgeon General's report about e-cigs. About the only positive thing I found in it was that e-liquid "generally contains fewer toxicants than combustible tobacco products."

I didn't read the whole 298 pages but I read all the intros, conclusions and summaries, as well as the first two chapters, and overall it's not looking favorably at e-cigs. Although it primarily addresses young adults, my feeling is this report will play a big role in the hands of the FDA to justify the rules they want to implement.

Here is the final conclusion on page 269:

"E-cigarette use, particularly among youth and young adults, has become a public health concern that warrants immediate and coordinated action. The increase in e-cigarette use among youth and young adults in the past few years is cause for great concern. Many questions remain about e-cigarettes and their long-term impact, even as evidence on patterns of use and risks to health continue to emerge. But we know enough about these health risks to take action now to protect the health of our nation’s young people. We cannot wait. Strategies to prevent and control the harms of e-cigarettes among youth and young adults need to be precautionary. Therefore, we must take a precautionary approach by implementing these strategies and protecting the health of our nation’s young people. We know what works to effectively prevent tobacco use among young people. Now we must apply these strategies to e-cigarettes—and continue to apply them to other tobacco products. To achieve success, we must work together, aligning and coordinating efforts across a wide range of stakeholders. We must protect our nation’s young people from a lifetime of nicotine addiction and associated problems by immediately addressing e-cigarettes as an urgent public health problem. Now is the time to take action."

And I found this summary on pages 137-138 interesting:

"Although some typical constituents of the e-cigarette aerosol have been identified, the potential short- and longterm health consequences of inhalation of the heated and aerosolized constituents of the e-liquids, including solvents, flavorants, and toxicants, still require further investigation to quantify health effects. Commercial and custom-mixed e-liquids are produced with undisclosed manufacturing procedures, packaging materials, and purity standards for their constituents, increasing the risks of potential health consequences. E-cigarettes are a source of extremely high doses of fine particles (e.g., aerosol) in the human respiratory system. Fine particles are emitted when the solvents PG and VG are aerosolized, and mild respiratory effects have been documented, but adequate assessments are lacking. An additional concern is the aerosolization and inhalation of flavor additives in e-liquids. While some of the chemicals used may be generally recognized as safe for use in foods, they have not been thoroughly tested for their potential sensitizing, toxic, or irritating characteristics when inhaled. Further, given the extent of possible variations in the ratio of flavor additives, with up to 7,700 unique e-liquid varieties available (Zhu et al. 2014b), these chemicals may be toxic in the concentrations present in manufactured or do-it-yourself e-liquids. Finally, other hazardous compounds and carcinogens have been detected in e-liquids, or in the heated aerosol produced by e-cigarettes, including formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, and acrolein."
 

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So this afternoon I spent some time reading through the recent Surgeon General's report about e-cigs. About the only positive thing I found in it was that e-liquid "generally contains fewer toxicants than combustible tobacco products."

I didn't read the whole 298 pages but I read all the intros, conclusions and summaries, as well as the first two chapters, and overall it's not looking favorably at e-cigs. Although it primarily addresses young adults, my feeling is this report will play a big role in the hands of the FDA to justify the rules they want to implement.

Here is the final conclusion on page 269:

"E-cigarette use, particularly among youth and young adults, has become a public health concern that warrants immediate and coordinated action. The increase in e-cigarette use among youth and young adults in the past few years is cause for great concern. Many questions remain about e-cigarettes and their long-term impact, even as evidence on patterns of use and risks to health continue to emerge. But we know enough about these health risks to take action now to protect the health of our nation’s young people. We cannot wait. Strategies to prevent and control the harms of e-cigarettes among youth and young adults need to be precautionary. Therefore, we must take a precautionary approach by implementing these strategies and protecting the health of our nation’s young people. We know what works to effectively prevent tobacco use among young people. Now we must apply these strategies to e-cigarettes—and continue to apply them to other tobacco products. To achieve success, we must work together, aligning and coordinating efforts across a wide range of stakeholders. We must protect our nation’s young people from a lifetime of nicotine addiction and associated problems by immediately addressing e-cigarettes as an urgent public health problem. Now is the time to take action."

And I found this summary on pages 137-138 interesting:

"Although some typical constituents of the e-cigarette aerosol have been identified, the potential short- and longterm health consequences of inhalation of the heated and aerosolized constituents of the e-liquids, including solvents, flavorants, and toxicants, still require further investigation to quantify health effects. Commercial and custom-mixed e-liquids are produced with undisclosed manufacturing procedures, packaging materials, and purity standards for their constituents, increasing the risks of potential health consequences. E-cigarettes are a source of extremely high doses of fine particles (e.g., aerosol) in the human respiratory system. Fine particles are emitted when the solvents PG and VG are aerosolized, and mild respiratory effects have been documented, but adequate assessments are lacking. An additional concern is the aerosolization and inhalation of flavor additives in e-liquids. While some of the chemicals used may be generally recognized as safe for use in foods, they have not been thoroughly tested for their potential sensitizing, toxic, or irritating characteristics when inhaled. Further, given the extent of possible variations in the ratio of flavor additives, with up to 7,700 unique e-liquid varieties available (Zhu et al. 2014b), these chemicals may be toxic in the concentrations present in manufactured or do-it-yourself e-liquids. Finally, other hazardous compounds and carcinogens have been detected in e-liquids, or in the heated aerosol produced by e-cigarettes, including formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, and acrolein."
Oh well, I still have my snuff. Its a heck cheaper too. Grandfather used it all his life and died of natural old age causes. He was also a pipe smoker and never touched the cancer sticks. He died age 94.

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I've got a few of those church warden drip tips too. nice to have around.
I have about 7 pipe stems from my days of pipe smoking but do not want to break up the pipe collection. This one I found on an Aussie websites but cannot remember which one. It was a dude that makes hand crafted e pipes.

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When it comes to drip tips, anything more than an inch long is too much work for me. The longer the drip tip, the harder one has to pull.
I overcome that by increasing the air flow. On the 'church warden' stem I have the twin air flow open 60% easy as to do a MTL.

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