Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

[DavidOck]

And consider getting it in pg, not a mix. I understand pg holds up better / longer than vg.

 

[JDC1958]

My standard reply to things like that David.





Never heard of that vendor before. Looked at the site and was confused on their 1 liter of pure nic. One listing says FDA approved and sells higher than another all listed as pure nic. And when you click on that cheaper one, the description still says FDA approved. Couldn't figure out the difference between the more expensive and cheaper one.

Just be careful handling it if you buy the 'pure' nicotine. We don't like buying above 100mg/ml nic just in case there's an accident when DIY mixing.

I'll never buy pure nicotine. What I see, one is called a base and only goes up to 100mg nic content. The more expensive starts at 100mg nic content and its called e-liquid nicotine . I think it could be marketing and or labelling. Its a four dollar difference between the base vs the e-liquid at 100mg content.

 

[clnire]

Very depressing here on the porch tonight ... but honestly I too am depressed about the future of vaping. Janet and I have about 9+ years of nic in the freezer. And that's figuring 12mg/ml nic. We could always cut that down to 6mg and double our 'lifetime supply'. Well stocked on atty's and PV's except for one more planned purchase at the end of the month when my points w/ that vendor 'mature'.

We've got 1/2 doz quality replaceable batt mods each plus 6 Zmax's just sitting around doing nothing. I'm not a fan of built-in batt mods for the 'future'. We have some and like them ... but know the batts will eventually go south. Oh yeah -- got a bunch of quality mech mods too.

Have a lot of spare tanks and o-rings, but still more spare parts to pick up like insulators and stuff. Flavorings we're not 'into' stock piling yet as like a lot of you we're thinking we can still get them come to 'deeming'.

Oh yuck .. I should have caught up on the porch in the morning .. this is depressing before heading off to bed.

Didn't mean to bring anyone down. Get a good nights sleep, it ain't over yet. But I do think it is time to prepare. We, fortunately, do have time. How long? Who knows.

Just because I am paranoid does not mean they are not out to get me! But I breathe, think, add to my list, and will prep as I can.

 

[MattB101]

So the concentrate we buy in bulk would be ok to freeze. Like the 60mg to 100mg quantities.

I've got 2.5 liters of 100mg/ml nic in 100pg base in the freezer now. Nic in base, either VG or PG doesn't really freeze. Just gets really thick. They (yes, the infamous "they") say nic kept in dark containers and frozen will last for years. I'm sure hoping that's true because I intend to have enough to last me many years. I'm figuring 3.5 to 4 liters of 100mg should do the job as I vape 12mg juice and plan on dropping that to 10mg/ml.

 

[Debadoo]

Some kind of Lighter styled squonker? Not really sorting how this thing works LOL

Sterno has one that uses a carto. Cute gimmicky thing.

Just did my first rewick! Working like a charm so far on the LEMO2. I am still waiting on my rebuilding supplies and Hannya RDA.

wahoooo!! look at you go!!

So the concentrate we buy in bulk would be ok to freeze. Like the 60mg to 100mg quantities.

According to our resident chemist Kurt Kistler, 100mg nic in PG will store in the freezer pretty much indefinitely. I believe he said he'd tried some that had been there close to 10 years but don't quote me on that. this is just over 2 hrs long, but I'd at least urge you to look at the parts where Kurt Kistler is talking if not the whole thing. As David said, he definitely says that nic mixes better in Pg than in Vg.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Again. Diacetyl is banned from ecig flavors. It is NOT banned from food flavorings. Along with who knows what else?

When did Daicetyl get banned from ecig flavors?

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I don't think there will be any problems with that- free speech and all that. However, people will have to be awful careful with vendors and selling what they don't want any more.

Worst possible scenario. Fixing stuff and building their own devices will become an art. Gradually, people will run out of stuff and nic and quit and/or return to smoking, and want to sell their leftovers.

I sort of like the post-apocalyptic genre in movies and books, so long as it doesn't deal with zombies.

I don't like zombies either.

Totally agree! I'm wondering if we should start pooling our info? I know it was talked about quite a while ago. Any ideas?

Gonna shoot SJ an email and see if he'll address the concerns. Don't know that he'll respond but it's worth a try for peace of mind.

My standard reply to things like that David.



Never heard of that vendor before. Looked at the site and was confused on their 1 liter of pure nic. One listing says FDA approved and sells higher than another all listed as pure nic. And when you click on that cheaper one, the description still says FDA approved. Couldn't figure out the difference between the more expensive and cheaper one.

Just be careful handling it if you buy the 'pure' nicotine. We don't like buying above 100mg/ml nic just in case there's an accident when DIY mixing.

Huge difference between 100mg/ml and 100mg. The latter can be fatal.

 

[MattB101]

I am with you on this and after reading your post I wanted to see how much nic concentrate at 90mg nicotine it would take to make a liter of flavour, At 6mg which is what I currently vape, that is 67 ml of nic concentrate or just 2.26 ounces per liter made.

Roughly we can make 6 to 8 liters of nic juice flavour at my nic level. 24 to 30 liters for a gallon of 90mg. Get that down to 3mg and we have double the amount of flavour that can be made

I don't think I vape a liter a month, so a gallon should last more than two years!

I would be absolutely amazed if you vape anywhere near a liter a month. I made up a liter of my old ADV (All Day Vape) last August and still had half of it left in October and I chain vape all day. Haven't really kept track of how many ml I vape in a day.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Sterno has one that uses a carto. Cute gimmicky thing.


wahoooo!! look at you go!!


According to our resident chemist Kurt Kistler, 100mg nic in PG will store in the freezer pretty much indefinitely. I believe he said he'd tried some that had been there close to 10 years but don't quote me on that. this is just over 2 hrs long, but I'd at least urge you to look at the parts where Kurt Kistler is talking if not the whole thing. As David said, he definitely says that nic mixes better in Pg than in Vg.

That is an excellent, informative video, thank you for reposting it. I "only" watched the part with Kurt but learned a lot. I thought Busardo was long. Good stuff.

 

[garyoa1]

When did Daicetyl get banned from ecig flavors?

About a year ago when they found it created lung problems. AKA popcorn lung.

 

[therussellv]

I forsee a period of time when things get tight, followed by people getting their heads out and making it easier to get vape stuff. Probably as soon as the big tobacco companies get caught up. I am good personally, my goal is to be at zero nic by may anyway, for personal reasons, and i have plenty of nic to last me till then, and my collection is large and everything i have is replacable battery and/or rebuildable, so i am secure. If nothing else, i AM a genius after all, ill build stuff from scratch.

Last stinkie 10/15/2013

 

[EBates]

OK, OK, I'll give it a shot.
Never done any DIY (other than dummin' down the nic 18 to 6). found this place to give it a try.
Shopping Cart - E-Liquid(E-Juice) Made in USA
Is this choice too dumb for description or what?
What I'm tryin' to say is HELP.

 

[JDC1958]

I don't like zombies either.

Gonna shoot SJ an email and see if he'll address the concerns. Don't know that he'll respond but it's worth a try for peace of mind.

Huge difference between 100mg/ml and 100mg. The latter can be fatal.

Yes, both the Base and E-Liquid are liquids with % base nicotine levels. They are both 10% solutions. 100mg/ml. I think the four dollar difference is just marketing for the higher level E-Liquids name.

 

[JDC1958]

OK, OK, I'll give it a shot.
Never done any DIY (other than dummin' down the nic 18 to 6). found this place to give it a try.
Shopping Cart - E-Liquid(E-Juice) Made in USA
Is this choice too dumb for description or what?
What I'm tryin' to say is HELP.

We can't see your cart. What are you wanting to buy, what nic level do you vape at, and what pg/vg ratio do you vape at?

 

[FlamingoTutu]

About a year ago when they found it created lung problems. AKA popcorn lung.

Well, then why is it still in some juices and flavoring?

OK, OK, I'll give it a shot.
Never done any DIY (other than dummin' down the nic 18 to 6). found this place to give it a try.
Shopping Cart - E-Liquid(E-Juice) Made in USA
Is this choice too dumb for description or what?
What I'm tryin' to say is HELP.

Says your cart is empty. Why not go with the Nude Nicotine that's 30% off?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

About a year ago when they found it created lung problems. AKA popcorn lung.

Who banned it? OHH it might be in a state or two that regulate ejuice now. But I don't recall them banning any specific ingredients.
But I know of no federal ban on Diacetyl in ejuice. There is currently no federal regulation on ejuice at all.
Some states require warning labeling, child proof caps and such and that it be made in a licensed facility and of course taxed.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Yes, both the Base and E-Liquid are liquids with % base nicotine levels. They are both 10% solutions. 100mg/ml. I think the four dollar difference is just marketing for the higher level E-Liquids name.

There is 100mg/ml nic which is 10% nicotine. 100mg nicotine is 99+% nicotine. That's where the confusion is kicking in.

 

[JDC1958]

There is 100mg/ml nic which is 10% nicotine. 100mg nicotine is 99+% nicotine. That's where the confusion is kicking in.

OK, I see what was meant now Yes they have pure there if you want to go that route. I'd probably hurt myself with that stuff!

 

[EBates]

We can't see your cart. What are you wanting to buy, what nic level do you vape at, and what pg/vg ratio do you vape at?

The link works for me but this is what I'm think of
DIY E-Juice Kit, Type 3 - DIY E-Liquid Kit - Others - E-Liquid(E-Juice) Made in USA

 

[JDC1958]

OK, OK, I'll give it a shot.
Never done any DIY (other than dummin' down the nic 18 to 6). found this place to give it a try.
Shopping Cart - E-Liquid(E-Juice) Made in USA
Is this choice too dumb for description or what?
What I'm tryin' to say is HELP.

Try this simple calculator to figure out a Nicotine base you would feel good about working with:
eJuice Recipe Calculator

I started with 36mg content and worked my way up as I got more confident.