Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

[MattB101]

Ok here is wierd FT thing they put up today

$23.05 Magnum Mini Styled 18350 Mod Kit - 1*18350 / built-in 4ml e-liquid bottle at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Some kind of Lighter styled squonker? Not really sorting how this thing works LOL

MiniSquonking! Would'a thunk it. If it was an 18650 I might consider it but, I would vape a 18350 to a standstill in about 3 hours. I am however considering building a regulated VV/VW/TC Squonking type device. It's been rattling round my noggin for a while now.

 

[MattB101]

But when will the new rules kick in?

My understanding is two years. However, I've been wrong before.

 

[JDC1958]

Way to go!

Going to step out on limb here because I know Robert knows better and thing it just came out funny the way he wrote it. What he means is, I think, vaping flavors will be relabeled such as for food/beverage, we'll just need to be on our toes about what's in what. TPA/TFA will be easy, Capellas not so much.

Thanks and I got you, if they label it for vaping it would cost more or worse not be available due to cost or regulations. Like you said we will have to be careful.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Yes, I am worried about that, too. So many if's.

Very iffy.

The thing is JDC is all these companies sell worldeide and vaping is very popular all over the world so why pay gazillions of dollarsto get things tested here when they know they are up against big money they sell plenty everywhere in the world. i've talked to guys in most of Europe, Russia, Egypt they are still going to make plenty without having to put up with the BS the US is trying to do. I don't think we'll see things like they are today again which is a real shame. With all the advances they have made especially with TC plus they want no flavors to be allowed but Tobacco and Menthol. They are looking out for the kids. I mean look what they have done for them so far. Sending them to far a way places to be mamed and killed giving them booze and cigarettes we don't want them trying this nasty vaping stuff. Agreed many people are not responsible vapers, by that I mean blowing clouds in public places but they have been able to turn much of the public against us using lies and the media is right in there too. They really don't want people to quit smoking it's not cost effective for them. We'll look back on this and say remember the good old days when you could get good stuff and it was cheaper then smoking and better for you. Not perfect but better.

What I hear from non USA vapers is that they are very worried that if we pass the deeming, other countries will soon follow. Sickening to realize that "we" may ruin it for them too.

And Wizard Labs will continue to be Wizard Labs but possibly taking Nic Solution off their shelves.

I was thinking the other way around. They have a certified lab and can sell nic to licensed buyers. But I do worry overall what will happen to them.

I don't think they'll give it 2 years. Since their argument is how dangerous it is, they'll go for immediately. But things have sat unresolved in the OMB for years with nothing done. Since this is now political d all about $$, they robably won't wait.

I agree, even CASAA isn't confident in the two year cutoff. "It's dangerous, it's killing our kids, there's heavy metal in there but we will let it continue for another two years." Uh-huh. I've moved into high gear with stocking, helped that a late b-day card a check in it.


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[JDC1958]

My understanding is two years. However, I've been wrong before.

I read two years for them to get in-line also. But with the witch hunt going on, I don't trust it.

 

[Myrany]

I have been on the pessimistic side of the great FDA debacle since I first learned about about a couple of years ago. I am now in full vapocalypse prep mode. Fortunately I have enough stuff that I can probably keep vaping for a long long time just with what I have. I just can't get it out of my head that it is not enough. So I am now working on another liter of nic and lots of spare parts for my preferred vaping devices.

 

[JDC1958]

Would freezing nic juice, say a 50/50 mix mess it up or would it even help with the shelf life?

 

[3mg Meniere]

Would freezing nic juice, say a 50/50 mix mess it up or would it even help with the shelf life?

They generally say to freeze nic concentrate, but not juice. When nic is very dilute, it degrades very slowly. Just keep the juice in a cool dark place, and toss it when it starts to taste bad. Better to mix in small quantities. I do 40 ml at a time.

 

[JDC1958]

They generally say to freeze nic concentrate, but not juice. When nic is very dilute, it degrades very slowly. Just keep it in a cool dark place, and toss it when it starts to taste bad. Better to mix in small quantities. I do 40 ml at a time.

So the concentrate we buy in bulk would be ok to freeze. Like the 60mg to 100mg quantities.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

So the concentrate we buy in bulk would be ok to freeze. Like the 60mg to 100mg quantities.

Everything that I've read is to store flavoring in a cool, dark place but not the fridge or freezer. I recently tossed some of mine in the fridge to see what happens.

 

[JDC1958]

I have been on the pessimistic side of the great FDA debacle since I first learned about about a couple of years ago. I am now in full vapocalypse prep mode. Fortunately I have enough stuff that I can probably keep vaping for a long long time just with what I have. I just can't get it out of my head that it is not enough. So I am now working on another liter of nic and lots of spare parts for my preferred vaping devices.

I am with you on this and after reading your post I wanted to see how much nic concentrate at 90mg nicotine it would take to make a liter of flavour, At 6mg which is what I currently vape, that is 67 ml of nic concentrate or just 2.26 ounces per liter made.

Roughly we can make 6 to 8 liters of nic juice flavour at my nic level. 24 to 30 liters for a gallon of 90mg. Get that down to 3mg and we have double the amount of flavour that can be made

I don't think I vape a liter a month, so a gallon should last more than two years!

 

[JDC1958]

Everything that I've read is to store flavoring in a cool, dark place but not the fridge or freezer. I recently tossed some of mine in the fridge to see what happens.

When you mix it, let us know how it turns out

 

[mmsjs5]

So the concentrate we buy in bulk would be ok to freeze. Like the 60mg to 100mg quantities.

Yes, in glass bottles. And I've had some, in glass bottles, in my fridge, for more than 3 years, with no change in taste or effect.

 

[Myrany]

I am with you on this and after reading your post I wanted to see how much nic concentrate at 90mg nicotine it would take to make a liter of flavour, At 6mg which is what I currently vape, that is 67 ml of nic concentrate or just 2.26 ounces per liter made.

Roughly we can make 6 to 8 liters of nic juice flavour at my nic level. 24 to 30 liters for a gallon of 90mg. Get that down to 3mg and we have double the amount of flavour that can be made

I don't think I vape a liter a month, so a gallon should last more than two years!

Yep I vape at a bout 4 mg these days so the 3 liters I have socked away SHOULD be enough. I just would feel better with 1 more liter.

 

[clnire]

I have been on the pessimistic side of the great FDA debacle since I first learned about about a couple of years ago. I am now in full vapocalypse prep mode. Fortunately I have enough stuff that I can probably keep vaping for a long long time just with what I have. I just can't get it out of my head that it is not enough. So I am now working on another liter of nic and lots of spare parts for my preferred vaping devices.

That's where I am. I have been stocking up on my favorite toppers, have purchased several external battery mods (several? About 9? Plus I have my Vamos, Zmaxes, Spire and several mechs, with kicks). I have enough nic in the freezer to last til I wean myself to zero nic. I have vaped non flavored, so if I get desperate, I can do that. Working on various spare parts for my Kayfuns, Taifuns, and Orchids. And Kanger bottom coil partsn more insulating grommets and such.

I really am not optimistic about the future of our freedon to vape. What will be available will either be crap or so expensive I won't be able to afford it. I am sorry for the millions (billions?) that will die because of this foolishness.

When the poo hits the fan, we must find a way to stay in touch. We still have time but the nanny states will step in ASAP and quash it locally. They already have started.

 

[JDC1958]

That's where I am. I have been stocking up on my favorite toppers, have purchased several external battery mods (several? About 9? Plus I have my Vamos, Zmaxes, Spire and several mechs, with kicks). I have enough nic in the freezer to last til I wean myself to zero nic. I have vaped non flavored, so if I get desperate, I can do that. Working on various spare parts for my Kayfuns, Taifuns, and Orchids. And Kanger bottom coil partsn more insulating grommets and such.

I really am not optimistic about the future of our freedon to vape. What will be available will either be crap or so expensive I won't be able to afford it. I am sorry for the millions (billions?) that will die because of this foolishness.

When the poo hits the fan, we must find a way to stay in touch. We still have time but the nanny states will step in ASAP and quash it locally. They already have started.

You are way ahead of me with the mods, tanks, and parts. I am hoping we have at least 6 months so I can build up a good solid collection. I am in Ohio, so far so good with the legislation locally. But things change quickly, especially at the local level. Staying in touch is a good plan. Support is just as key as getting ahead of the game with supplies.

I really hope this site does not have to shut down.

 

[3mg Meniere]

I really hope this site does not have to shut down.

I don't think there will be any problems with that- free speech and all that. However, people will have to be awful careful with vendors and selling what they don't want any more.

Worst possible scenario. Fixing stuff and building their own devices will become an art. Gradually, people will run out of stuff and nic and quit and/or return to smoking, and want to sell their leftovers.

I sort of like the post-apocalyptic genre in movies and books, so long as it doesn't deal with zombies.

 

[misswish1]

I really am not optimistic about the future of our freedon to vape. What will be available will either be crap or so expensive I won't be able to afford it. I am sorry for the millions (billions?) that will die because of this foolishness.

When the poo hits the fan, we must find a way to stay in touch. We still have time but the nanny states will step in ASAP and quash it locally. They already have started.

Totally agree! I'm wondering if we should start pooling our info? I know it was talked about quite a while ago. Any ideas?

 

[MikeE3]

Very depressing here on the porch tonight ... but honestly I too am depressed about the future of vaping. Janet and I have about 9+ years of nic in the freezer. And that's figuring 12mg/ml nic. We could always cut that down to 6mg and double our 'lifetime supply'. Well stocked on atty's and PV's except for one more planned purchase at the end of the month when my points w/ that vendor 'mature'.

We've got 1/2 doz quality replaceable batt mods each plus 6 Zmax's just sitting around doing nothing. I'm not a fan of built-in batt mods for the 'future'. We have some and like them ... but know the batts will eventually go south. Oh yeah -- got a bunch of quality mech mods too.

Have a lot of spare tanks and o-rings, but still more spare parts to pick up like insulators and stuff. Flavorings we're not 'into' stock piling yet as like a lot of you we're thinking we can still get them come to 'deeming'.

Oh yuck .. I should have caught up on the porch in the morning .. this is depressing before heading off to bed.

 

[MikeE3]

As I understand it, when/if it's implemented, manufacturers will have 2 years to comply. That may or may not mean stuff can stay on the market until either compliance allows them to stay or non-compliance shuts them down.

But if the deeming goes through, I think States, counties and cities will immediately jump on the band wagon and act more quickly.

The County Health Department where I live just, by fiat, effectively eliminated tasting bars. (By imposing fees and ventilation requirements beyond a small vape shops budget....) Order issued last month, effective Jan 1.

My standard reply to things like that David.

Here:
E-Liquid Base 1 Gallon - E-Liquid(E-Juice) Made in USA

Cheapest I could find for a gallon but my search was very quickly done. Might be a better place somewhere else but they claim its Kosher grade and that was good enough for me. They do all sorts of increments

Never heard of that vendor before. Looked at the site and was confused on their 1 liter of pure nic. One listing says FDA approved and sells higher than another all listed as pure nic. And when you click on that cheaper one, the description still says FDA approved. Couldn't figure out the difference between the more expensive and cheaper one.

Just be careful handling it if you buy the 'pure' nicotine. We don't like buying above 100mg/ml nic just in case there's an accident when DIY mixing.