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So is the razorback a clapton with ribbon wrapped on it's edge? Next question, the armadillo, is that a "razorback" claptoned with another piece of ribbon??
 

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Pretty much any cordless drill with adjustable speed. I think harbor freight might even have them. And if you're originally claptoning around 26 then you want to alien around 3x26, not 2x24.

Btw owl - if you don't have Claptons down why are you doing aliens? Claptons is like a foundation for a lot of other builds. Get that part down really well first dude before moving on. It'll help you in the long run.
Because when I made my clapton I was like "Well that was easy...I'm bored again."
I didn't need another piece of 26 gauge clapton, thats just where I started. No idea it would be that easy. I had no need for it so I decided to alien it.
Thats why I bought this wire...practice and fun.
I did pretty good considering I used the wrong cores. Lol. I thought as long as it was 3x the width it would work.
I know you have my best interest in mind saying that but I just like a challenge.

What wire should I try next? I just want someting that vapes better than fused 24...which vapes better than fused 26.
I have a single coil deck so I'm thinking about doing a big 0.3mm staple.
 
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Is alien easier to do at a lower gauge?
Im going to try 36 gauge clapton when I get home, just not sure what to wrap it around...

What gauge is your wrap?
Looks nice.

Thanks Owl, its 34g ss316L that i used on 2x 26 n80 with 4x 0.4x0.1mm n80 ribbon in the middle, between the 26g. I used a length of 24g to make the decored alien. Use any material for the wrap :)

32g is tougher to pull off if your new because you will have to get the decored clapton stretched almost perfect or else you will end up making a triangle with your core wires, 34g is soft enough that if you haven't stretched enough you can give it some tension as its wrapping But the tension shouldn't be enough to make your cores triangle
 
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I just tried 6x 0.1x0.4 ribbon framed with 26.
The wire isn't flat at all...more like a square. Did it all bunch up when I got started?
I spent an hour getting the first one ready and claptoned it half way and my swivel came unclasped...backed rotation till it was naked and half the ribbon came out of the chuck. Started over lol.

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The ribbons took a 90 degree turn instantly.
Instead of being on edge, they are just stacked between the frames. Maybe I'll ditch the frames and just do a staple. Or use a smaller frame...idk.
 
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I just tried 6x 0.1x0.4 ribbon framed with 26.
The wire isn't flat at all...more like a square. Did it all bunch up when I got started?
I spent an hour getting the first one ready and claptoned it half way and my swivel came unclasped...backed rotation till it was naked and half the ribbon came out of the chuck. Started over lol.

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The ribbons took a 90 degree turn instantly.
Instead of being on edge, they are just stacked between the frames. Maybe I'll ditch the frames and just do a staple. Or use a smaller frame...idk.

If you don't use the frames the 0.4 ribbon won't want to stay sat parallel when you go to wrap it into your coil, it is possible to do it but its a little 'hit and miss', you have to keep the wire taught as you wrap onto your mandrel when making your coil, 0.3 ribbon is more forgiving but is harder to stack.
Were you trying to make an an alien like i did or were you trying to do a fused clapton?

The key to keeping the the ribbons from moving when between the frames is wrapping either some ribbon around the stack real tight or better still 38 or 40g wrapped around each end. Then i use a hand vise to clamp down real tight onto the the frames and ribbon, the wire sit's into the hand vise so the pressure is on the vertical edges of the ribbon, then i can either start off the wrap by hand or put the vise straight into the drill for spinning.

ima try get some pictures of the process to make it easier.
Maybe try to get a hand vise that will also fit into your drills chuck.
 

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Lmao slip those are framed staple aliens, no? I've never heard of a "St. Alien," but I'm not all too religious so who knows.
Today I bring moar interlocking fraliens!
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Working wick & working wire [emoji4]
28gSS frames
6ply .3n80 ribbon core
36gSS/38gN80 interlock on one
36gN80/38gSS interlock on the other.
Installed in the 2 post Kennedy 24. Two different wraps because they were leftovers from 2 sales so I figured why not install them together, the wraps are same gauge but flipped materials they vape great!

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If you don't use the frames the 0.4 ribbon won't want to stay sat parallel when you go to wrap it into your coil, it is possible to do it but its a little 'hit and miss', you have to keep the wire taught as you wrap onto your mandrel when making your coil, 0.3 ribbon is more forgiving but is harder to stack.
Were you trying to make an an alien like i did or were you trying to do a fused clapton?

The key to keeping the the ribbons from moving when between the frames is wrapping either some ribbon around the stack real tight or better still 38 or 40g wrapped around each end. Then i use a hand vise to clamp down real tight onto the the frames and ribbon, the wire sit's into the hand vise so the pressure is on the vertical edges of the ribbon, then i can either start off the wrap by hand or put the vise straight into the drill for spinning.

ima try get some pictures of the process to make it easier.
Maybe try to get a hand vise that will also fit into your drills chuck.
I was trying to clapton all this crap together...I looked at my 1' span this morning and pulled the wrap off. I got it.
The very beginning was jacked up but it worked!
I'll get a pic later, I'm getting ready for work.
I thought it would be more flat but it's actually an oval...I suppose the tutorial I was watching was using 0.5 and I'm using 0.3.
 
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I was trying to clapton all this crap together...I looked at my 1' span this morning and pulled the wrap off. I got it.
The very beginning was jacked up but it worked!
I'll get a pic later, I'm getting ready for work.
I thought it would be more flat but it's actually an oval...I suppose the tutorial I was watching was using 0.5 and I'm using 0.3.
.3 is the hardest kinda ribbon to even start out with. I hope it's atleast Ka1. Kanthal is stiffer than n80&316L so it's a bit easier to work. What exactly are you trying to make?
 

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Razor back is a ribbon claptoned on it's edge. Armadillo is a ribbon overlayed on top of itself.
Got it. I've been playing around with claptoning ribbon for a while now. From the beginning, the ribbon really likes overlapping itself unless i make a real effort to make the wraps parallel. Though, my overlapping is nowhere near as pretty, looking more like a mutated armadillo. Do you use anything besides patience? And how in the eff do you make ribbon stand on edge for the razorback? Will be attempting tonight...
 
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.3 is the hardest kinda ribbon to even start out with. I hope it's atleast Ka1. Kanthal is stiffer than n80&316L so it's a bit easier to work. What exactly are you trying to make?
I was mistaken. It's 0.4mm. A1, yes.
I did it right, I had to unwrap the outer to see it better but the 6x 0.4 is on edge between 26 gauge frames. I just thought it would be wider than it is.


Thanks Slippy!

I was using masking tape and it was really hard to keep it lined up.
I had a really hard time getting the chuck to hold both frames at the same time because the tape was thick.
I'll try something else when I get home.
Line it up with the tape and then wrap it with some 38...hopefully I can take the tape off at that point. I feel like if I was able to keep my ends in line, I would have had an easier time and a more orderly frame...
 
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I was mistaken. It's 0.4mm. A1, yes.
I did it right, I had to unwrap the outer to see it better but the 6x 0.4 is on edge between 26 gauge frames. I just thought it would be wider than it is.


Thanks Slippy!

I was using masking tape and it was really hard to keep it lined up.
I had a really hard time getting the chuck to hold both frames at the same time because the tape was thick.
I'll try something else when I get home.
Line it up with the tape and then wrap it with some 38...hopefully I can take the tape off at that point. I feel like if I was able to keep my ends in line, I would have had an easier time and a more orderly frame...

If you keep having trouble with using the wire locked into your chuck maybe look into investing in a hand vise
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If you do then make sure you take note of the size your chuck is and buy accordingly as they don't all fit one another
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its easier to forget the tape altogether and just organise your wires between you thumb and finger and whilst pinching them tightly wrap some 40g around both ends and place a wrap in the middle so you can slide it along as you're working up the wire with your wrap
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Put the wire in your vise like this and crank it down tight so it isn't going to move
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.3 is the hardest kinda ribbon to even start out with. I hope it's atleast Ka1. Kanthal is stiffer than n80&316L so it's a bit easier to work.
Hahahahahahahahaha REALLY Tom? Lol I mean REALLY dude??? Lol

Do you use anything besides patience? And how in the eff do you make ribbon stand on edge for the razorback? Will be attempting tonight...
yes, white magic brother. Abracadabra and BOOM the wire obeys me :hubba:
 

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I don't tend to use swivels all that much, most of the time I will work on 4 & a half inches of wire at a time which can give you 5 wraps on a 3mm bit, working on short lengths stops the wire from flapping about
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Start wrapping your wire nice and slow so you can make sure you're nice and tightly wrapped but not double wrapping
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Then when you get far enough to get your fingers around the main wire without hitting your fingers on the vise you can can hold it and support the main wire like below, I'm focused on supporting the part of the wire that has been wrapped and not putting any pressure on the unwrapped section..
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Using 3x round wires can work the same with something like 34g but when using 32g I have to split my wires like this and as you start getting wraps on the 3 main wires slowly come together...
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To cover 4 & a half inch of three 26g wires I Clapton about 7 & a half inchs of chosen wrap on a length of 24g and stretch it past shoulder width, you can see in the pic how it should look
 
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Hahahahahahahahaha REALLY Tom? Lol I mean REALLY dude??? Lol

yes, white magic brother. Abracadabra and BOOM the wire obeys me :hubba:

Justadude is such a nice guy, he's continuing to rub people up the wrong way and doesn't care less if you know the secrets, i wouldn't bother asking him anything because he just likes to see people squirm, he's showing his real colours, i wouldn't like he's posts or ask him anything if i were you :)

Edit: i will ask someone for you on how to do what he did with the ribbon, after all he isn't the one that invented these wires, he's just a copycat ;)
 
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