Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

[Kaezziel]

Still using rayon, and love it more and more every wicking! I just wanted to stop in and see you guys

Heya Lady! Good to see ya droppin' by again. I keep disappearing from here too, but finally got around to swinging by and should probably try to stick around a little more myself. I think I'm trying to keep up with too many threads at once...

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Most recent attempt:

I think it's the best I've done in terms of thinning tails.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Here's a pic of the first rayon wick I did, still vaping awesome.

That's seen maybe 30ml not sure.

 

[JeremyR]

Most recent attempt:
View attachment 539727
I think it's the best I've done in terms of thinning tails.

Looks very nice.

 

[kross8]

Here's a pic of the first rayon wick I did, still vaping awesome.
View attachment 539729
That's seen maybe 30ml not sure.

looks great!

 

[kross8]

i read somewhere that when using rayon to wick,, you dont need as much flavor........but i can't remember if the poster said 'use only 1/3 or to cut flavoring by 1/3'

i noticed that when my topbox gets low into the airhole range with a flavor,,, i tend to top off with nonflavored (the next refill is flavored,,,the same or dif,, dont matter) that there seems to be 'just enough' of the old flavor to give a decent flavor of the nonflavored juice..

anyone have a decent ratio they use to cut their flavoring with rayon?

huge THANKS for any input

 

[vincom]

i read somewhere that when using rayon to wick,, you dont need as much flavor........but i can't remember if the poster said 'use only 1/3 or to cut flavoring by 1/3'

i noticed that when my topbox gets low into the airhole range with a flavor,,, i tend to top off with nonflavored (the next refill is flavored,,,the same or dif,, dont matter) that there seems to be 'just enough' of the old flavor to give a decent flavor of the nonflavored juice..

anyone have a decent ratio they use to cut their flavoring with rayon?

huge THANKS for any input

There is no wrong or right ratio as it depends on user. I lowered mine by 50% but that's between me and my tastebuds.
I also had to lower my nic considerably

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[sig-cmt]

Has anyone tried Carolina Absorbent Cotton? They produce and sell rayon in coils...

They don't deal with individuals...But...businesses. I've been trying to tap in for 2 years.

TIP: Carolina Absorbent Cotton may not be inclined to deal with individuals, but their distributors are. Also, while CAC may list minimum order quantities, said quantities do not apply to distributors who are free to establish their own resale standards. Suffice to say that we as individuals are free to purchase pharmaceutical grade rayon coils in reasonable quantities and at a reasonable cost for personal use.

...9, 12, 16, or 20 grams per yard? As in which sizes would best fit 2.5/3.0/3.5/4.0mm coils...

I will be able to answer this in a matter of weeks as a distributor has offered samples of all four sizes.

 

[retired1]

There's one place, and one place only for the discussion of group buys. The General Forums isn't that place.

 

[JeremyR]

Rayon Wick pt1 opening post. The beginning of the Rayon evolution.

"
I started using rayon last September '13 It was working very well. No one knew anything about it and I wasn't sure at the time either.. I could find no mention on the net and no answers on the forums. I went on to try the degummed hemp (because I like hemp) and worked with that for a number of months. It was going ok but I could never get the flavor or nic hit I was previously getting on my Vcore coil.(opening post of that thread) Then dice57 started talking about the rami he got and it sounded like it performed very similarly to rayon. So I pulled the hemp out of my oddy clone & replaced it with rayon and... Bam! absolutely pure flavor, with a major nic hit! Same coil same 12mg strength. Nic buzz.. Pure flavor like you've never tasted.

Rayon aka viscose is natural cellulose based man made fiber. The majority of bamboo yarn is viscose. The difference with this is that it's the loose fiber. I got it from a spring valley melatonin bottle last year. Some pill bottles have cotton some use rayon.

There is no flavor at all imparted by the rayon if wicked properly. It holds an incredible amount of juice and wicks it really fast. Rayon acts more as a transporter than an absorber like cotton. It wicks to and from itself very quickly and completely. You can vape a tank completely dry before you get a hint of a dry hit. At this point the ends of the wick can be starting to dry out as the liquid is transferred to the coil. It does act more like a pipe feeding your coil. I have not tasted my juice this pure since I last used rayon. Taste only juice in its purest form.

The saturation level it can achieve is incredible, without flooding. It is comparable to the saturation you can get with dripping. It wicks really fast. The vapor is very smooth off it. It is in straight long strands that are easy to work with. And seems much more forgiving on densities.

After using it off and on for 8 months; I feel confident in bringing it forward to the community. To try it, experiment with it compare, and post results. I will be providing background links to my past posts and experiences with it; for further information to those interested. I'm going to be using it more now and will be comparing it to cotton hemp and soon ramie. If the ramie can deliver what the rayon does in performance I will be converting.

I posted this thread In hopes of determining if this a good wick option for vapors... I have recently viewed posts about other people also starting to try it, and would like their thoughts on it. I have had no ill effects from it, dry hit is just as 'good' as any other wick I've used.. But you really don't want to dry hit it either.

Here's my latest rewick with the rayon.
(Bottle rayon)

The atty is an old gg Odysseus clone. (circa 2012)

First puff - WOW ... Give it a try!

Posted from iphone
"

 

[kross8]

Rayon Wick pt1 opening post. The beginning of the Rayon evolution.

"
I started using rayon last September '13 It was working very well. No one knew anything about it and I wasn't sure at the time either.. I could find no mention on the net and no answers on the forums. I went on to try the degummed hemp (because I like hemp) and worked with that for a number of months. It was going ok but I could never get the flavor or nic hit I was previously getting on my Vcore coil.(opening post of that thread) Then dice57 started talking about the rami he got and it sounded like it performed very similarly to rayon. So I pulled the hemp out of my oddy clone & replaced it with rayon and... Bam! absolutely pure flavor, with a major nic hit! Same coil same 12mg strength. Nic buzz.. Pure flavor like you've never tasted.

Rayon aka viscose is natural cellulose based man made fiber. The majority of bamboo yarn is viscose. The difference with this is that it's the loose fiber. I got it from a spring valley melatonin bottle last year. Some pill bottles have cotton some use rayon.

There is no flavor at all imparted by the rayon if wicked properly. It holds an incredible amount of juice and wicks it really fast. Rayon acts more as a transporter than an absorber like cotton. It wicks to and from itself very quickly and completely. You can vape a tank completely dry before you get a hint of a dry hit. At this point the ends of the wick can be starting to dry out as the liquid is transferred to the coil. It does act more like a pipe feeding your coil. I have not tasted my juice this pure since I last used rayon. Taste only juice in its purest form.

The saturation level it can achieve is incredible, without flooding. It is comparable to the saturation you can get with dripping. It wicks really fast. The vapor is very smooth off it. It is in straight long strands that are easy to work with. And seems much more forgiving on densities.

After using it off and on for 8 months; I feel confident in bringing it forward to the community. To try it, experiment with it compare, and post results. I will be providing background links to my past posts and experiences with it; for further information to those interested. I'm going to be using it more now and will be comparing it to cotton hemp and soon ramie. If the ramie can deliver what the rayon does in performance I will be converting.

I posted this thread In hopes of determining if this a good wick option for vapors... I have recently viewed posts about other people also starting to try it, and would like their thoughts on it. I have had no ill effects from it, dry hit is just as 'good' as any other wick I've used.. But you really don't want to dry hit it either.

Here's my latest rewick with the rayon.
(Bottle rayon)

The atty is an old gg Odysseus clone. (circa 2012)

First puff - WOW ... Give it a try!

Posted from iphone
"

much appreciated!

 

[JeremyR]

Rewicked the FEV quick today. 26g coil been used multiple times 500ml or more.






I also received the bachelor tank today, I'll be getting it online later tonight.
.

 

[f1vefour]

Rewicked the FEV quick today. 26g coil been used multiple times 500ml or more.






I also received the bachelor tank today, I'll be getting it online later tonight.
.

That's some ghost white rayon, looks great. Always liked the look of the FEV.

 

[JeremyR]

Yeah it's nice, after going on two years with it I felt it was time to expand with some of the nice tanks out now. Kinda running out of air flow with it, oh and I'm pretty sure the wired base is messing with temp control.. I think tank systems have come along enough with reliability that they now have a chance to be better than the old flash.

The drop in coil is pretty sweet in the bachelor. I tried it when I got it and it was slick... I was getting tired of fighting post screws pulling the wire and such.

 

[Hiramkunz]

Well, vacation is over, get to drive 24 hours tomorrow back to fort riley. Been using a crown for this week because rebuilding with all of the stuff everyone wanted to do was going to suck. Cannot wait to put some rayon in the serpent and have a good vape. Thinking about picking up the bachelor though. But just wanted to say hello to yall. Gonna give the dm viscose balls another go.

 

[Hiramkunz]

What did I miss with this tidi stuff

 

[kross8]

finally got my fastech order today.. now i have to retest my rayon wick skills on a Mutation and a Freakshow.. (apparently i ordered some useless stuff too lol,,, no biggy,, i will try my hand at modifying some with a drill bit and see where it takes me) still waiting on the phantus mech

 

[JeremyR]

What did I miss with this tidi stuff

Big balls. Great fibers. Visible difference in the fibers compared to others.. They're big enough that if you have trouble unrolling them you should still have a good piece left unmangled. I don't have any troubles, you just have to take a second to pull up only the end fibers of the roll. However tidi is only available by the case load. DM only. Available in eastern Europe. Delasco's is available in a small bag of medium for cheap from their consumer catalog.

If you have any issue with Sally's /cellucotton then step up the ladder to the better quality grades. Listed post 5 of this thread. Based on my longterm tests.

Oh if you have DM balls it's among the best options out there, atm. Feel lucky.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Here is my rewick from this morning:

So that's a new coil, it's 5 wraps of 26g kanthal 2.5mm. That's one less wrap and roughly an ohm lower than my other builds (it's like .64 ohms). Ramps up faster obviously...I think that may have helped significantly with spitback. Since I can't up the wattage like a regulated user, I figured this may be a way to cut spitback. Going down to 24g didn't work but this may have...I'm thinking ramp up may be more important than power itself?

The coil is also lower than normally run, which may be a factor...it's lined up with the airholes but I can see the top of the coil through them, so sitting just a hair low.

I've read 70 pages of the first Rayon thread. So much info. I'm honestly convinced, as far as safety this is likely safer than cotton, not that I'm thinking cotton is bad but rather this is absolutely not that's just me but there were some very compelling points made in those 70 pages.

I also picked up on more tips with it. Getting easier to work with the more I read and experiment. I'm just cutting tails at a 45 degree angle right now. Seems to be working fine but we'll see. I was thinning more but in all honesty, I squonk - I squonk like a maniac. Juice delivery is not and has never been a problem, saturation is the life I live. I'll continue to experiment to see what works best, but thinning down by just that one cut, and keeping the tails short (just touching deck), seems to be working like a dream so far.

'Cept the juice tastes weird, there's an imbalance of flavoring components in this here "Dr. Sloth's Infectious Scorbutitis," but that's my fault not Rayon's

 

[JeremyR]

Yeah changing the coils males a big difference when you go to a wide spaced like that. There may be something to juice boiling between closed wraps. But in general I don't prefer that far of a space that much. But that's just me. Ymmv, everyone has a slightly different way that works for their vape style.

The heavier the wire the longer it retains heat after the vape causing carmelization as the juice just cooks to the coil.

If you after longevity, you don't want the coil sizzling after your draw. You can hear it if you listen try to get it to where you have no sizzle or only a split second after you finish the vape. I usually overdraw after I let off for a second or two to use the retained heat for vaporization and that leaves a cleaner burn.

26 is the max for me or it retains heat way too long. Imo.... Unregulated can be a pain, it's so much easier to just up the wattage on that coil rather than drop wraps or lower gauge.

45° cuts are the easiest way to effectively thin the tails by 50%.