What effect does too much heat retention give you? I'm fairly new to coil building, just a few months. I used 24g in the beginning but I wanted to try SS316L & higher ohms & 24g came in too low. So I've been using SS316L 28g.
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In a nutshell...thicker wire needs longer to heat up and cool down.
So you let loose of the button, but the wire keeps cooking the juice for a split second. This effect is greater the thicker the wire is.
I use 28-30g SS304 and never got the appeal of thick wire in the first place. Alright, if the wire gets all to thin its kinda a ..... to work with, but I never had trouble using 30g. If you want to build bigger coils, just use them in parallel; this makes them more stable in my experience.
So you let loose of the button, but the wire keeps cooking the juice for a split second. This effect is greater the thicker the wire is.
I use 28-30g SS304 and never got the appeal of thick wire in the first place. Alright, if the wire gets all to thin its kinda a ..... to work with, but I never had trouble using 30g. If you want to build bigger coils, just use them in parallel; this makes them more stable in my experience.
Thanks for the explanation!
I've used 28g wire since I started rebuilding. I have kanthal, Ti and SS430 all in 28g. I don't have a problem with it being too flimsy and I like the fact that it doesn't take forever to heat up and cool down. I guess it's all about what you get used to. I've thought about dropping to a lower gauge, but I've got too much wire already.
Nice job on the wicking @Hiramkunz. I think it'll last you a long while.
Nice job on the wicking @Hiramkunz. I think it'll last you a long while.
I think some of the appeal of lower gauge wire is "heat coefficient". This can be seen on the Steam Engine site, and really easy to play with in iPhone apps like MicroCoilPro and Coil Genius.
I'd like to see the picture before you pull it if possible to see how it looks. 26 doesn't move when your at the correct rayon density. .
Yeah, did not take a picture of the one last night, but I will do that for this one on wed
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In steam engine, The heat Flux of heavier gauge wire shows you need more power for lower gauge to reach temp. If you do a 28 and a 24 at the same wattage you'll see the 24 barely heats up in comparison. You need near double the power to reach the same heat level.
The heat capacity figure shows lower gauge wire holds heat magnitudes longer.
I believe heavy gauge wire runs cooler thus is better for cotton because the Temps are cooler. Also allows people to say they are at 100w, but the temp of the wire usually isn't much hotter.
I stay higher gauge due to heat up and cool down specifically. I like quick clouds. 2 second cloud. No double puffs trying to get it warmed up. The higher the gauge the less amount of metal you have to heat to reach vapor Temps. The lighter the wire the more instant the vapor production is without massive power being needed.
The heat capacity figure shows lower gauge wire holds heat magnitudes longer.
I believe heavy gauge wire runs cooler thus is better for cotton because the Temps are cooler. Also allows people to say they are at 100w, but the temp of the wire usually isn't much hotter.
I stay higher gauge due to heat up and cool down specifically. I like quick clouds. 2 second cloud. No double puffs trying to get it warmed up. The higher the gauge the less amount of metal you have to heat to reach vapor Temps. The lighter the wire the more instant the vapor production is without massive power being needed.
I used parallel 32 for the longest time before I got 28. Not to knock ss, but the 28 stainless is annoying to me. Maybe it's my ocd, but I always screw up the coil and have slightly uneven wraps and springiness. If it wraps with uneven tension the less tensioned wraps are looser. With the springyness then it's loose on the mandrel and affects setting the coil and I get an end wrap that's too tight from it turning down tight on the mandrel at the legs.. These things directly effect coil longevity for me. And in effect makes 32g kanthal nearly easier to work with to me. I may try wrapping a 2mm mandrel and see if it Springs enough to then fit tight on a 2.5 mandrel for setting.
Props to you if you use ss of course.. Just my thoughts. No dislikes please.
I use 28g SS430 and 26g SS316L exclusively these days. A quick hit with the micro torch takes out all the springiness. Pull the coil tight on the mandrel, lock both legs in the hemostat, remove coil from the mandrel and apply heat for a dull red glow.I used parallel 32 for the longest time before I got 28. Not to knock ss, but the 28 stainless is annoying to me. Maybe it's my ocd, but I always screw up the coil and have slightly uneven wraps and springiness. If it wraps with uneven tension the less tensioned wraps are looser. With the springyness then it's loose on the mandrel and affects setting the coil and I get an end wrap that's too tight from it turning down tight on the mandrel at the legs.. These things directly effect coil longevity for me. And in effect makes 32g kanthal nearly easier to work with to me. I may try wrapping a 2mm mandrel and see if it Springs enough to then fit tight on a 2.5 mandrel for setting.
Props to you if you use ss of course.. Just my thoughts. No dislikes please.
Makes SS much easier to work with.
Glad you got it figured out!! Sounds very frustrating!! Remember it was a simple o ring that caused the space shuttle to explode....
This is the 28g SS430 I use, for larger SS430 wire you will have to look elsewhere.
28 gauge Stainless Steel Wire - 430 Grade Nickel Free - 200 feet - 100% Guarantee - Unkamen Supplies
Kidney Puncher carries SS316L in sizes from 36g to 20g
SS316L Wire 30ft Spool
I can drop some 28g SS430 in the mail for you if you want brother. You probably will not like working with it if you find anything less than 24g too flimsy...
I have double twisted and triple twisted the 28g SS430 just fine. If you are going to use the SS in Power more more than in TC, then the 316L in larger gauges from KP might be your best option.
No, that's ok brother, I am going to wait until I get rayon down pact before I switch wire. Gotta perfect the basics
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Thank you very muchAll good.
You are traveling down the path of mastering the mysteries of Rayon very nicely!
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When using your ss430 wire in temp control do you set the TCR to .00138? Might order some to try.I can drop some 28g SS430 in the mail for you if you want brother. You probably will not like working with it if you find anything less than 24g too flimsy...
I have double twisted and triple twisted the 28g SS430 just fine. If you are going to use the SS in Power more more than in TC, then the 316L in larger gauges from KP might be your best option.
Yes 138 on the Cuboid. It would have been nice to get some 26g SS430, but the 28g works perfectly and you can twist or parallel it if you like.
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