Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2
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I am thinking of giving Rayon a try. I have read that Rayon contracts some when it becomes saturated. Why do you not cut your piece then saturate it before you insert it into the coil? You would not have to worry with the "squeak". It seems that it would be easier to get the right amount into the coil.
I thought that since I hadn't seen that mentioned there may be a very good reason not to.
Thanks.
I thought that since I hadn't seen that mentioned there may be a very good reason not to.
Thanks.
Too messy?
Unsure what flavor is going to go in? (I have several tanks empty and ready to go, as my taste buds move me
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Harder to align and manicure the wick?
Give it a whirl and let us know, you may be on to something good!
Unsure what flavor is going to go in? (I have several tanks empty and ready to go, as my taste buds move me
)Harder to align and manicure the wick?
Give it a whirl and let us know, you may be on to something good!
Hey! PM me...I am happy to send you a months supply of some rayon to try
As per your idea...the other day I tried a variation of this, by wetting the coil with a couple drops of juice before threading through. It made it easier to slide through and easier to not mess the coil up. I like that method a lot!
I don't know. I rely on the squeak factor to tell me there's the right amount of rayon in there. If it's wet, no squeak and it becomes a guessing game. Given the variations in the Graham rayon that squeak is kind of important to me. I do wet things after the initial trim which, for me, makes it easier to get the final trimming done accurately.
I got a sample of the rayon by a request of my daughter to the woman who cuts her hair, but that is a kind offer and I thank you.
I will give your method a try. The coil shape was one of the reasons that I ask. I use a spaced coil off of a machine screw and it can be sort of easy to mess it up especially when re-wicking.
I will give your method a try. The coil shape was one of the reasons that I ask. I use a spaced coil off of a machine screw and it can be sort of easy to mess it up especially when re-wicking.
Hey! PM me...I am happy to send you a months supply of some rayon to try
As per your idea...the other day I tried a variation of this, by wetting the coil with a couple drops of juice before threading through. It made it easier to slide through and easier to not mess the coil up. I like that method a lot!
I always use spaced coils, some with 30 gauge wire, but most at 28 or 26 gauge. I've never had a real problem that can't be cured with a dental pick or a needle to re-arrange wraps once the wick is in place. In fact, another way to tell if you have enough rayon in the coil is the "rule of thumb" test. If you have to hold the coil in place with your thumb nail, at the "far" end, you've got enough rayon in the coil.
Once I get a squeak and/or a little tug on that first coil wrap, I pull one more coil width through (ie - moves the squeak to the other end so I know there's enough Rayon throughout the coil). If that first wrap moves over a bit, I'll use my fingernail to pull it back over into position. If it grabs, I'll back up and "stretch" a little to be a bit thinner(fibers don't stretch, of course, they get realigned). If the whole coil moves off center, I'll grab both ends of the untrimmed Rayon and gently recenter, respacing as necessary with my fingernails.
I use the same coil diameter over and over, 2.4 mm with 26 g wire, and that takes half the width of the Graham's rope, give or take a bit. Yes, it is a little inconsistent, but usually towards too thick than too thin for that coil.
Trim the tails to where they easily pack into the juice channels with "breathing room," full thickness at the channel exit, and I easily get 30 ml using some of the gunkiest juices known to man, easily 3X what a cotton wick used to get me.
I use the same coil diameter over and over, 2.4 mm with 26 g wire, and that takes half the width of the Graham's rope, give or take a bit. Yes, it is a little inconsistent, but usually towards too thick than too thin for that coil.
Trim the tails to where they easily pack into the juice channels with "breathing room," full thickness at the channel exit, and I easily get 30 ml using some of the gunkiest juices known to man, easily 3X what a cotton wick used to get me.
Been using rayon for a couple years, and probably as long since posting here...so it's always been known ( well maybe not, things might have changed and I haven't been reading posts here) that the reason you use more rayon then cotton is that rayon sort of collapses. Well after using cotton for years and now rayon for years, I just don't see this....if I put in a rayon coil, when I change it, I never see one that loosened. So recently did a little test, I wicked 2 coils, one rayon, one cotton and tried using the same amount. I juiced them up and let sit overnight and both swelled up pretty much the same...I also did this in a tank and used both for a time and when I pulled both out, same thing, both swelled up similarly. ...anyways I love rayon and would never go back to cotton, but I believe one reason rayon works better is that it simply wicked tighter then most do with cotton ...so I did another experiment with cotton, I wicked my rta exactly like rayon, packed coil and trim tails and it worked awesome. ..now in an rta I think you can pack a lot of cotton in a coil, but in most rtas, the ledges are small, so you need to trim tails, just like rayon. maybe the reason most say they get dry hits with cotton, is that they never trimmed tails....what do you guys think?
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Yaaa! I love my Entheon! I've been vaping on it nonstop since I got it!@Sloth Tonight you are right, it's amazing!
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Much improvement over the Hadaly.
ETA cool vape setup in your background
Yeah it's a great RDA.Yaaa! I love my Entheon! I've been vaping on it nonstop since I got it!
ETA cool vape setup in your background
I put 3 shifts a week in at the local B&M, primarily starter stuff and trying to help folks get off the Plankton.
Ohh that's awesome! I bet it's a fun job! Rewarding for sure!Yeah it's a great RDA.
I put 3 shifts a week in at the local B&M, primarily starter stuff and trying to help folks get off the Plankton.
Rayon newb here! KGD for the last four years. Finally made the switch... bought "the box" of 44060 CelluCotton from Sally.
I'm using a DNA75 with Temp control/SS316 factory TFR curve, 40W at 480F in a Zeus RTA.
It took me about six tries to get it right ... I was either too thin in the coil, not enough end trimming, or a combination of both. Even while experimenting, the flavor is far more "pronounced" than my standard KGD method, the initial problems encountered mostly involved a weak vape: Flavor was there, but the DNA was hitting temp too quickly/ramping down as if the coil was starved.
After a bit of reading/research, I tried the "just barely able to pull through with squeeking noise moving back and forth" with extensive end brushing. I'm using a Zeus RTA with very large wick channels and 3mm I.D. 8 wrap 26Ga spaced SS316L. I was able to get the ends thin enough to the point where they are filling up about 80% of the channels, tails barely (if at all) brushing the bottom of the inner base cap and as even as possible on both sides. Working like a champ... but will take some practice to reproduce.
My main issue is starting nice and tight in the coil, the process of thinning the ends with my sharp/pointy end tweezers can pull threads from the coil as well, unintentionally thinning the rayon through the coil. Switching my method to more outward motion rather than parallel with the coil when brushing/thinning seems to have mostly solved this.
The vape is perfect right now... glad to know there's a thread like this to help if I run in to any issues with this new "journey" Any tips based on the above info appreciated. Thanks!!
Nick/MG
I'm using a DNA75 with Temp control/SS316 factory TFR curve, 40W at 480F in a Zeus RTA.
It took me about six tries to get it right ... I was either too thin in the coil, not enough end trimming, or a combination of both. Even while experimenting, the flavor is far more "pronounced" than my standard KGD method, the initial problems encountered mostly involved a weak vape: Flavor was there, but the DNA was hitting temp too quickly/ramping down as if the coil was starved.
After a bit of reading/research, I tried the "just barely able to pull through with squeeking noise moving back and forth" with extensive end brushing. I'm using a Zeus RTA with very large wick channels and 3mm I.D. 8 wrap 26Ga spaced SS316L. I was able to get the ends thin enough to the point where they are filling up about 80% of the channels, tails barely (if at all) brushing the bottom of the inner base cap and as even as possible on both sides. Working like a champ... but will take some practice to reproduce.
My main issue is starting nice and tight in the coil, the process of thinning the ends with my sharp/pointy end tweezers can pull threads from the coil as well, unintentionally thinning the rayon through the coil. Switching my method to more outward motion rather than parallel with the coil when brushing/thinning seems to have mostly solved this.
The vape is perfect right now... glad to know there's a thread like this to help if I run in to any issues with this new "journey"
Any tips based on the above info appreciated. Thanks!!Nick/MG
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I never do this thinning thing on my rayon (for the reason you metnion) that all the youtube guys do with their cotton. I just pull it thru then fluff it up with tweezers working back from the tail towards the coil until I get a nice bow tie look that I then trim with scissors to thin appropriately for the deck/wells.
Hi, met you on the Zeus thread! I do what @Fozzy71 does. The amount trimmed off the tail is specific to the atty being used. Read page 1 of this thread. @JeremyR has written all that you need to get started.Rayon newb here! KGD for the last four years. Finally made the switch... bought "the box" of 44060 CelluCotton from Sally.
I'm using a DNA75 with Temp control/SS316 factory TFR curve, 40W at 480F in a Zeus RTA.
It took me about six tries to get it right ... I was either too thin in the coil, not enough end trimming, or a combination of both. Even while experimenting, the flavor is far more "pronounced" than my standard KGD method, the initial problems encountered mostly involved a weak vape: Flavor was there, but the DNA was hitting temp too quickly/ramping down as if the coil was starved.
After a bit of reading/research, I tried the "just barely able to pull through with squeeking noise moving back and forth" with extensive end brushing. I'm using a Zeus RTA with very large wick channels and 3mm I.D. 8 wrap 26Ga spaced SS316L. I was able to get the ends thin enough to the point where they are filling up about 80% of the channels, tails barely (if at all) brushing the bottom of the inner base cap and as even as possible on both sides. Working like a champ... but will take some practice to reproduce.
My main issue is starting nice and tight in the coil, the process of thinning the ends with my sharp/pointy end tweezers can pull threads from the coil as well, unintentionally thinning the rayon through the coil. Switching my method to more outward motion rather than parallel with the coil when brushing/thinning seems to have mostly solved this.
The vape is perfect right now... glad to know there's a thread like this to help if I run in to any issues with this new "journey"
Nick/MG
The one other thing that helped was what Jeremy has written about is tight in coil, full shoulders, start trimming where the wick bends.
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