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Finally had a little time and the inclination to break into the accessory package provided by redeyedancer, and pulled out a 801-901 adapter and 901 atty.
Put this upon the clyde2801. After experiencing a brief nasty taste, and remembering that stock attys have nasty primer, duh, I sat down with the 901'd clyde and a full bottle of incredibly thick coconut VG.
Even though I adore coconut, this juice is not my favorite for two reasons. One, it is incredibly thick. I have trouble with it even on my most dependable 2nd gen mod/attys. Two, it is a subtle flavor, meaning that it does not lend itself well to diluting with other substances. I can mix my chocolate VG with marlboro PG blend for a decent blend, not so with coconut. Translation: I have almost 100 ml of a juice that I cannot enjoyably vape.
Or, that I couldn't vape until NOW. 8-o
I'm pretty darned satisfied with this combination. Up until now, my choices were the 801 with voluminous and airy vape with great taste and flooding tendencies and the 510 with no flooding, adequate vape and low taste.
The 901 is an ideal atty for this mod taking the best qualities of the other two attys. The vape, while lacking in volume compared to the 801, is adequate, warmer and much denser. The taste on it, while not quite up there with the 801, is enough for you to clearly know what you're vaping, and is hands down better than the 510. I also suspect that it may do better with HV juices and other blends that work with higher temperatures. And it is almost flood proof, probably due to the air inlet hole being so far up on the side of the atty. If you flood this sucker, it's probably safe to say it was a deliberate act. Any flooding can be cured by unscrewing the atty and blowing into the battery side, ala 'old school'. Like the 510, I seem to get the best juicing results by holding it upside down while hitting the juicing plunger button.
The atty being able to hold more juice without flooding gives it another benefit-less pumping. It also makes it more travel ready; I can take it with me without having to carry or look for napkins, kleenex, paper towels for scrap pieces of paper.
The other thing I have to emphasize is that the adapters appear to work! 3rd gens by definition tend to be complex and temperamental. Everything in my experience tells me an adapter system would not and should not work: more pieces should either keep juice from getting to the atty or make the mod leak like a sieve, but this does not appear to be the case. This mod is paramount to a paradigm shift for yours truly, and it's not even nine in the morning on a weekend.
A minor annoyance with the adapters on this mod is that the brass housing is high enough to not allow easy access to the adapter, which always stays on the base instead of unscrewing off with the atty. Purchasers of this mod will soon learn the trick of holding the tip of their pinky on the adapter while rotating the mod with their other hand. Again, compared to the benefits of the adapter system, this drawback is just a minor inconvenience.
I hate to have so little lovin' for the Reo, but the performance of even the 510 atty he provided does not stand up to the 801 and especially the 901. The adapters change the equation somewhat...at least I can use a 801 atty on the Reo. And I'm wondering what configuration should be the standard on any proposed production model to allow for the biggest variety of attys.
The adaptability of this system does have a drawback-it makes reviewing it a LOT of work to adequately test all of its capabilities! Oh well, anything for the cause...
Put this upon the clyde2801. After experiencing a brief nasty taste, and remembering that stock attys have nasty primer, duh, I sat down with the 901'd clyde and a full bottle of incredibly thick coconut VG.
Even though I adore coconut, this juice is not my favorite for two reasons. One, it is incredibly thick. I have trouble with it even on my most dependable 2nd gen mod/attys. Two, it is a subtle flavor, meaning that it does not lend itself well to diluting with other substances. I can mix my chocolate VG with marlboro PG blend for a decent blend, not so with coconut. Translation: I have almost 100 ml of a juice that I cannot enjoyably vape.
Or, that I couldn't vape until NOW. 8-o
I'm pretty darned satisfied with this combination. Up until now, my choices were the 801 with voluminous and airy vape with great taste and flooding tendencies and the 510 with no flooding, adequate vape and low taste.The 901 is an ideal atty for this mod taking the best qualities of the other two attys. The vape, while lacking in volume compared to the 801, is adequate, warmer and much denser. The taste on it, while not quite up there with the 801, is enough for you to clearly know what you're vaping, and is hands down better than the 510. I also suspect that it may do better with HV juices and other blends that work with higher temperatures. And it is almost flood proof, probably due to the air inlet hole being so far up on the side of the atty. If you flood this sucker, it's probably safe to say it was a deliberate act. Any flooding can be cured by unscrewing the atty and blowing into the battery side, ala 'old school'. Like the 510, I seem to get the best juicing results by holding it upside down while hitting the juicing plunger button.
The atty being able to hold more juice without flooding gives it another benefit-less pumping. It also makes it more travel ready; I can take it with me without having to carry or look for napkins, kleenex, paper towels for scrap pieces of paper.
The other thing I have to emphasize is that the adapters appear to work! 3rd gens by definition tend to be complex and temperamental. Everything in my experience tells me an adapter system would not and should not work: more pieces should either keep juice from getting to the atty or make the mod leak like a sieve, but this does not appear to be the case. This mod is paramount to a paradigm shift for yours truly, and it's not even nine in the morning on a weekend.
A minor annoyance with the adapters on this mod is that the brass housing is high enough to not allow easy access to the adapter, which always stays on the base instead of unscrewing off with the atty. Purchasers of this mod will soon learn the trick of holding the tip of their pinky on the adapter while rotating the mod with their other hand. Again, compared to the benefits of the adapter system, this drawback is just a minor inconvenience.
I hate to have so little lovin' for the Reo, but the performance of even the 510 atty he provided does not stand up to the 801 and especially the 901. The adapters change the equation somewhat...at least I can use a 801 atty on the Reo. And I'm wondering what configuration should be the standard on any proposed production model to allow for the biggest variety of attys.
The adaptability of this system does have a drawback-it makes reviewing it a LOT of work to adequately test all of its capabilities! Oh well, anything for the cause...
I thought i should mention this Clyde.There is no need to hold it upside down when running the 510 or 901 Just hold the plunger down for longer periods rather then just pumping quick.I think you will find this works great.I just push the button all the way to the bottom let a few seconds go by Release and it sucks the excess juice back into the reservoir. I find i only need one pump and I am back into vaping action with this method.Hope this helps
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The mods are still hanging in there, putting up with my ham fisted chain vaping. Impressive. Lesser mods have died way before this point. I've also learned to use the 901 as a traveling atty and to keep the higher maintenance 801 at home where I can pay more attention to it.
Problems with extracting the 801 to 901 adapter have been solved so far with simply making sure it's very securely attached to the 901 atty before installing on the box. A shallower brass atty fitting on the box would still help in this regard.
The cherry reo is officially on its way to me with some design improvements to the sliding lid, and an on/off switch. Looking forward to getting it, of course: it's nice to have a reason to anticipate the mail.
Like an olympic champion who never stops training, redeyedancer is working on still further refining his design. One possible change is a change to the tubing which he thinks will further improve the box's juicing and vaping characteristics. The other is a huge one, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it.
Learning from the carlos communication debacle, redeyedancer has officially applied for supplier status on ECF. Since they've got some sort of mandatory monastic vow of silence thing going on while this status is approved, don't expect any communications or postings from him in the immediate future. I think this is a necessary framework a modder should take long BEFORE he or she is ready to sell a new mod.
In the meanwhile, I'll keep playing with my toys and writing about it. Hopefully, I'll be able to put up some sort of sane and lucid review comparing the wooden box to some other popular or innovative 3rd gens in time for the ECF contest.
Problems with extracting the 801 to 901 adapter have been solved so far with simply making sure it's very securely attached to the 901 atty before installing on the box. A shallower brass atty fitting on the box would still help in this regard.
The cherry reo is officially on its way to me with some design improvements to the sliding lid, and an on/off switch. Looking forward to getting it, of course: it's nice to have a reason to anticipate the mail.
Like an olympic champion who never stops training, redeyedancer is working on still further refining his design. One possible change is a change to the tubing which he thinks will further improve the box's juicing and vaping characteristics. The other is a huge one, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it.
Learning from the carlos communication debacle, redeyedancer has officially applied for supplier status on ECF. Since they've got some sort of mandatory monastic vow of silence thing going on while this status is approved, don't expect any communications or postings from him in the immediate future. I think this is a necessary framework a modder should take long BEFORE he or she is ready to sell a new mod.
In the meanwhile, I'll keep playing with my toys and writing about it. Hopefully, I'll be able to put up some sort of sane and lucid review comparing the wooden box to some other popular or innovative 3rd gens in time for the ECF contest.
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That's the only way to do it clyde. When you are dealing with a new unit such as this it is going to take time to learn the ins and outs of it.
When I got my juice box it took me a while of playing with it until I could operate it properly.
Just do use an E-liquid with too much nic, you might start bouncing off walls!
When I got my juice box it took me a while of playing with it until I could operate it properly.
Just do use an E-liquid with too much nic, you might start bouncing off walls!
Learning curves should be gently sloped, like the hills of my tornado ridden state, not steep and difficult like climbing a mountain. It should be able to be mastered in an hour or an afternoon, not take weeks. This should be a hobby, not a part time job.
Honestly, were it not for the performance of the carlos atty with special sauce, the effort of the juice box would not be worth it. It is supposedly improving with every batch shipped, but doesn't that mean that it was prematurely released from beta testing?
The other end of the spectrum is the guys who are forever tinkering with a product but never seem to release a finished product for sale. Not that I'm naming any names, mind you.
Learning curves should be gently sloped, like the hills of my tornado ridden state, not steep and difficult like climbing a mountain. It should be able to be mastered in an hour or an afternoon, not take weeks. This should be a hobby, not a part time job.
Honestly, were it not for the performance of the carlos atty with special sauce, the effort of the juice box would not be worth it. It is supposedly improving with every batch shipped, but doesn't that mean that it was prematurely released from beta testing?
The other end of the spectrum is the guys who are forever tinkering with a product but never seem to release a finished product for sale. Not that I'm naming any names, mind you.
I would say it took me about 45 minutes to an hour to get things straight between me and my juice box. Now it is no problem.
As for the guys who are forever tinkering, that is the sign of an inventor who is never satisfied that they have reached the level of perfection that THEY want to achieve.
Received a cherry reo, and was informed that I received the wrong one. Back in the mail it goes, and the correct one will be on its way to me. Have also been informed that a recent modification or two will stop the 801, my favorite atty on this mod, from flooding with the 18650 battery.
In the meanwhile, I have been playing with two 3v cr123's with the 801, and flooding is not an issue with this configuration, nor is vape. Taste does suffer a bit from the hv burnt taste, especially with straight PG. OTOH, my syrupy thick coconut VG is excellent with it.
And yes, redeyedancer is under the ecf imposed vow of silence while his supplier status is being approved. May the approval process be swift and just. I suppose that a modder who has a great potential design had better start the process early; nothing would be worse than to have built a better mousetrap and not be able to tell the world about it.
With possibly four mods on the way next week, and the ecf review deadline coming up on the end of the month, next weekend promises to be very busy indeed.
In the meanwhile, I have been playing with two 3v cr123's with the 801, and flooding is not an issue with this configuration, nor is vape. Taste does suffer a bit from the hv burnt taste, especially with straight PG. OTOH, my syrupy thick coconut VG is excellent with it.
And yes, redeyedancer is under the ecf imposed vow of silence while his supplier status is being approved. May the approval process be swift and just. I suppose that a modder who has a great potential design had better start the process early; nothing would be worse than to have built a better mousetrap and not be able to tell the world about it.
With possibly four mods on the way next week, and the ecf review deadline coming up on the end of the month, next weekend promises to be very busy indeed.
Wife suggested using melted candle was to keep the lid in place on the clyde2801...works, even lower tech solution than the magnet.
She has in turn, started to pick up and use the white oak reo mod in native 510 mode. She hasn't picked it up and yelled 'Mine!', but it's now sitting in the kitchen island beside her purse. I expect it to soon start migrating into her purse, assuming it can find the room to do so.
Finally, been informed by redeyedancer that the correct cherry reo is on its way to me ASAP-expedited shipping, maybe even get here by Tuesday. Looks like my ECF review submission will have only 3 models.
So far, the clyde2801 is doing great with thick vg at 3.7 v with the 801, and kind of floods a bit with PG...which is remedied by going to 6v. Hopefully, the correct cherry reo will remedy these quirks.
Also need to send my cherry prototype back, and I'm reluctant to do so. It's heavy, but looks really sharp. It could sit on an executives desk and feel right at home.
She has in turn, started to pick up and use the white oak reo mod in native 510 mode. She hasn't picked it up and yelled 'Mine!', but it's now sitting in the kitchen island beside her purse. I expect it to soon start migrating into her purse, assuming it can find the room to do so.
Finally, been informed by redeyedancer that the correct cherry reo is on its way to me ASAP-expedited shipping, maybe even get here by Tuesday. Looks like my ECF review submission will have only 3 models.
So far, the clyde2801 is doing great with thick vg at 3.7 v with the 801, and kind of floods a bit with PG...which is remedied by going to 6v. Hopefully, the correct cherry reo will remedy these quirks.
Also need to send my cherry prototype back, and I'm reluctant to do so. It's heavy, but looks really sharp. It could sit on an executives desk and feel right at home.
As those reading this thread may know, one of my minor quibbles about the clyde2801 was the issue of occasional flooding when using the 801 atty, especially with straight PG. It was easily enough dealt with by anyone who has been vaping for a while by 'old school' methods: detach atty, blow into the battery end and catch juice in the mouthpiece end with a napkin, paper towel or piece of paper. Plus, besides being a bit of an inconvenience, a flooded 801 can hold a lot of juice-juice that I cringed to blow on a napkin and throw away a few times in the course of an average day. It also seemed that this problem was helped by letting the unit sit upright without vaping for a minute or two, or so it seemed.
Redeyedancer shared a technique that he found helped with PG on his mod: the primer blow.
Anyone who has been vaping for any period has already discovered the primer puff; i.e., taking a quick puff before a longer inhale to get the maximum amount of nicotine laden vape into your mouth and lungs.
The primer blow is the exact opposite: activate the vaping button and blow into the mouthpiece for a second or two. Vape escapes from between the atty and brass fitting around it and swirls around your face, and it seems counter intuitive and unnatural to the point where every neuron in my nicotine addicted brain is telling me to stop it immediately.
The next puff or two are vaping heaven: thick, warm, luxurious, tasty vape. I'm trying to figure out how this works: perhaps the air inlet holes of the 801 are being clogged by the juicing action, and this serves to reopen them. Maybe it forces juice in the atty to concentrate in the wick for maximum effectiveness. If any 801 or atty experts have an opinion on this, I'd love to hear it.
I'm going to experiment with this technique to see if the button/atty has to be activated for this to work, whether it makes a difference on a cold or hot atty, whether this causes any leaks inside of the box or around the atty, and if this gives me better juice mileage (vapes per ml). I'll also have to see if this also helps with the 901. It also seems that I'm having to pump the bottle a lot less often with this new method. Less effort and better vape is always a win.
One thing's for sure...the technique seems to take a lot of the variation and guesswork out of using the mod, and gives it a uniform, very satisfactory (Yeah, that's the ticket! type) inhale. May have to give this a go with my other 3rd gens.
The inbound, improved cherry reo is supposed to have solved the flooding issue with modifications to the tubing. Hopefully, this technique may not be necessary on it. (But i'm putting this trick in my vaping tool bag.)
I'll report back with my findings, thanks.
Redeyedancer shared a technique that he found helped with PG on his mod: the primer blow.
Anyone who has been vaping for any period has already discovered the primer puff; i.e., taking a quick puff before a longer inhale to get the maximum amount of nicotine laden vape into your mouth and lungs.
The primer blow is the exact opposite: activate the vaping button and blow into the mouthpiece for a second or two. Vape escapes from between the atty and brass fitting around it and swirls around your face, and it seems counter intuitive and unnatural to the point where every neuron in my nicotine addicted brain is telling me to stop it immediately.
The next puff or two are vaping heaven: thick, warm, luxurious, tasty vape. I'm trying to figure out how this works: perhaps the air inlet holes of the 801 are being clogged by the juicing action, and this serves to reopen them. Maybe it forces juice in the atty to concentrate in the wick for maximum effectiveness. If any 801 or atty experts have an opinion on this, I'd love to hear it.
I'm going to experiment with this technique to see if the button/atty has to be activated for this to work, whether it makes a difference on a cold or hot atty, whether this causes any leaks inside of the box or around the atty, and if this gives me better juice mileage (vapes per ml). I'll also have to see if this also helps with the 901. It also seems that I'm having to pump the bottle a lot less often with this new method. Less effort and better vape is always a win.
One thing's for sure...the technique seems to take a lot of the variation and guesswork out of using the mod, and gives it a uniform, very satisfactory (Yeah, that's the ticket! type) inhale. May have to give this a go with my other 3rd gens.
The inbound, improved cherry reo is supposed to have solved the flooding issue with modifications to the tubing. Hopefully, this technique may not be necessary on it. (But i'm putting this trick in my vaping tool bag.)
I'll report back with my findings, thanks.
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People may have noticed that I've been on the boards a lot less this past week. I've got a good excuse.
Tuesday afternoon, I get a call from my sister and nephew saying that they're concerned about Dad. He'd been on the couch all day, and wouldn't wake up. I get to Mom and Dads shortly after five and confirm what I've been told.
Three weeks ago, I had a client and friend have a stroke at her house, which her husband mistook for exhaustion, that killed her in her 50's. To my horror, the same thing was happening to my Dad.
The ambulance came quickly and took him to a hospital with a good reputation for stroke treatment. The ER doctors said that tests would have done, it could go either way, etc. An EMT almost my age was more indirectly to the point as he left. "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry." he said, putting his hand on my shoulder as he left.
I convinced Mom to come to the hospital (She was sure I was overreacting and, being a Great Depression baby-ambulances and hospitals cost money!) she initially didn't come. The sisters trickled in afterward.
We all sat there together as the group quickly grew. Clyde2801 was in my suit pocket and was used in the waiting room. Someone joked that the hospital probably hadn't had three Clydes in it before. At least that Clyde held up well the entire night.
The last sister arrived as the Doctors came in with the latest test results: the stroke was hemorrhaging deep inside Dad's brain, was inoperable, and was damaging his brain every second that it continued. We made a decision to take Dad off of the respirator and the women looked at their shoes afterward for an extended period of time. I realized that they had given me the short straw, and made the long, long, long walk to the nurse's station to inform them of the decision. He left us twenty minutes later in true Anderson style: quick, to the point, and quietly without a lot of drama (on his part) or fuss. Goodbye, Dad.
Even though he had quit smoking twenty years earlier, Dad's decades long two pack of Winstons a day habit had killed him. His COPD and apnea were both caused by his long quit smoking; and those two conditions led to the high blood pressure and stroke that killed him. (Admittedly, I'm sure that I may have contributed to the high blood pressure at times myself.) Sitting with his two younger brothers yesterday, who had also quit smoking years before, one was on oxygen, and the other occasionally gasped for breath.
If you smoke, please stop NOW. If you cannot stop, please vape instead. If someone you love smokes, try and get them to do the same.
Tuesday afternoon, I get a call from my sister and nephew saying that they're concerned about Dad. He'd been on the couch all day, and wouldn't wake up. I get to Mom and Dads shortly after five and confirm what I've been told.
Three weeks ago, I had a client and friend have a stroke at her house, which her husband mistook for exhaustion, that killed her in her 50's. To my horror, the same thing was happening to my Dad.
The ambulance came quickly and took him to a hospital with a good reputation for stroke treatment. The ER doctors said that tests would have done, it could go either way, etc. An EMT almost my age was more indirectly to the point as he left. "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry." he said, putting his hand on my shoulder as he left.
I convinced Mom to come to the hospital (She was sure I was overreacting and, being a Great Depression baby-ambulances and hospitals cost money!) she initially didn't come. The sisters trickled in afterward.
We all sat there together as the group quickly grew. Clyde2801 was in my suit pocket and was used in the waiting room. Someone joked that the hospital probably hadn't had three Clydes in it before. At least that Clyde held up well the entire night.
The last sister arrived as the Doctors came in with the latest test results: the stroke was hemorrhaging deep inside Dad's brain, was inoperable, and was damaging his brain every second that it continued. We made a decision to take Dad off of the respirator and the women looked at their shoes afterward for an extended period of time. I realized that they had given me the short straw, and made the long, long, long walk to the nurse's station to inform them of the decision. He left us twenty minutes later in true Anderson style: quick, to the point, and quietly without a lot of drama (on his part) or fuss. Goodbye, Dad.
Even though he had quit smoking twenty years earlier, Dad's decades long two pack of Winstons a day habit had killed him. His COPD and apnea were both caused by his long quit smoking; and those two conditions led to the high blood pressure and stroke that killed him. (Admittedly, I'm sure that I may have contributed to the high blood pressure at times myself.) Sitting with his two younger brothers yesterday, who had also quit smoking years before, one was on oxygen, and the other occasionally gasped for breath.
If you smoke, please stop NOW. If you cannot stop, please vape instead. If someone you love smokes, try and get them to do the same.
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Clyde-My deepest most hearfelt condolences. Prayers and lots of love being sent your way and to Mom and the family.
I'm so very very sorry Clyde. Nothing to say other than I know what you are going thru, and i do.
Prayers are with you , your mom, sisters and everyone in your family.
Prayers are with you , your mom, sisters and everyone in your family.
Well, the cherry reo is in the post office waiting for me to get free and pick it up. The other one redyedancer sent was stolen off of my porch by two mercedes drivin', mail theivin' a$$wipes earlier the same day my Dad died.
May have to set up a trap for these two effers since my neighbor saw them circling around after the mail truck a couple of days later. He's disabled, so he didn't get the tag (and it's not like I'm expecting him to do a 'TJ ......' and jump on their hood to keep them from escaping).
Dealing with Dad's estate and Mom's health issues (on top of my real job) may cut down my time on the forums for now. But I will be vaping in the meanwhile. Oh God, I will be vaping.
May have to set up a trap for these two effers since my neighbor saw them circling around after the mail truck a couple of days later. He's disabled, so he didn't get the tag (and it's not like I'm expecting him to do a 'TJ ......' and jump on their hood to keep them from escaping).
Dealing with Dad's estate and Mom's health issues (on top of my real job) may cut down my time on the forums for now. But I will be vaping in the meanwhile. Oh God, I will be vaping.
Picked up the cherry reo from the post office this morning. As usual, I'm impressed with this mod. Build quality and aesthetics seems to improve with every version. Magnet holds door in place (no messing with elmer's glue with this model), brass juicing button matches brass atty connection for a bit more of a polished look, and there appears to be some sort of a charging connection on the bottom of the mod. Hmmm...
It appears so far that the modifications to the innards of the mod (tubing?) seems to have helped with the tendency to flood with the 801 atty.
I've been vaping my revised Carlos Juice Box (CJB) for the last week, and it is interesting to compare the two, to say the least. Here's my impressions so far:
1. For you favorite PG liquid, the reo wins hands down. The CJB was built to vape VG, so that shouldn't come as a surprise.
2. For a PG/VG mixture, though it's comparing apples to oranges, it's almost an even match. The Reo has a warmer, denser, tastier vape with the 801, but the CJB still has...I was going to say 'throat hit', but it's more like a 'mugger jumping out of an alley, punching you in the throat and leaving you to die' throat hit.
3. I'll have to try some straight VG on this sucker and see how it compares.
4. LOVE the taste on this mod, but it's a bit of a loud vape. Expect to annoy the crap out of the people next to you if you're a chain vaper.
5. Seems to require a bit more bottle squeezing than it's older brothers. Together with the improvement on flooding, I suspect the revamped design is a bit better at sucking excess juice back into the bottle.
6. The two seem to favor different vaping styles as well. The tighter draw on the 801 reo favors sucking it into the mouth and then inhaling. The CJB tends to benefit people who like to inhale into their lungs directly.
Cherry Reo is going to have to leave the house for some real world testing. But here is the interesting part...despite their distinct differences in vaping qualities, I can't really say that I have a clear preference for either of them. Reo's vape and taste put it on equal footing with CJB's TH.
I won't pick out a clear winner among the two so far...I save that for extended reviews, and I've had these mods for a week and a day. I'll keep checking in-assuming I don't die of nicotine poisoning in the meanwhile.
It appears so far that the modifications to the innards of the mod (tubing?) seems to have helped with the tendency to flood with the 801 atty.
I've been vaping my revised Carlos Juice Box (CJB) for the last week, and it is interesting to compare the two, to say the least. Here's my impressions so far:
1. For you favorite PG liquid, the reo wins hands down. The CJB was built to vape VG, so that shouldn't come as a surprise.
2. For a PG/VG mixture, though it's comparing apples to oranges, it's almost an even match. The Reo has a warmer, denser, tastier vape with the 801, but the CJB still has...I was going to say 'throat hit', but it's more like a 'mugger jumping out of an alley, punching you in the throat and leaving you to die' throat hit.
3. I'll have to try some straight VG on this sucker and see how it compares.
4. LOVE the taste on this mod, but it's a bit of a loud vape. Expect to annoy the crap out of the people next to you if you're a chain vaper.
5. Seems to require a bit more bottle squeezing than it's older brothers. Together with the improvement on flooding, I suspect the revamped design is a bit better at sucking excess juice back into the bottle.
6. The two seem to favor different vaping styles as well. The tighter draw on the 801 reo favors sucking it into the mouth and then inhaling. The CJB tends to benefit people who like to inhale into their lungs directly.
Cherry Reo is going to have to leave the house for some real world testing. But here is the interesting part...despite their distinct differences in vaping qualities, I can't really say that I have a clear preference for either of them. Reo's vape and taste put it on equal footing with CJB's TH.
I won't pick out a clear winner among the two so far...I save that for extended reviews, and I've had these mods for a week and a day. I'll keep checking in-assuming I don't die of nicotine poisoning in the meanwhile.
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A question that has been asked of me and the other Reonauts comes from an observation about the CJB. Namely, does the Reo leak brown carbon from the atty back into the juicing bottle?
In a word, no. The brown in the bottle from the CJB is a result of juice washing over the handmade atty and removing the carbon buildup when the excess is sucked back into the bottle.
I don't mind it on my CJB, anyway. It doesn't seem to affect vaping or taste, and is a sign that my atty is being seasoned through use and is moving towards its full potential. I'd rather have a little brown in the bottle than have a custom homemade atty die on me. It's analogous to changing the oil on my car instead of driving it until the engine seizes up.
The Reo does not have this phenomenon, and does have an choice of easily replaceable stock attys. Letting your atty rest batty side up overnight on a paper towel is a good idea with this mod as well.
Reo does a pretty good job with PG/VG mix as well. Mixing about 20% vg into my favorite kona coffee pg doesn't affect the taste, but gives the mod even more vape. For pure vaping experience, it is a straight toss up as to which mod is better.
I hope reo is spending this time sharpening his saws and chisels...
In a word, no. The brown in the bottle from the CJB is a result of juice washing over the handmade atty and removing the carbon buildup when the excess is sucked back into the bottle.
I don't mind it on my CJB, anyway. It doesn't seem to affect vaping or taste, and is a sign that my atty is being seasoned through use and is moving towards its full potential. I'd rather have a little brown in the bottle than have a custom homemade atty die on me. It's analogous to changing the oil on my car instead of driving it until the engine seizes up.
The Reo does not have this phenomenon, and does have an choice of easily replaceable stock attys. Letting your atty rest batty side up overnight on a paper towel is a good idea with this mod as well.
Reo does a pretty good job with PG/VG mix as well. Mixing about 20% vg into my favorite kona coffee pg doesn't affect the taste, but gives the mod even more vape. For pure vaping experience, it is a straight toss up as to which mod is better.
I hope reo is spending this time sharpening his saws and chisels...
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