run in with "smoking nazi"

[vjc0628]

Really?

If more people thought that way, those women and children in Ariel Castro's house in Cleveland would still be living in captivity.

You know, all those neighbors were intent on minding their own business and all.


I guess I don't get the over-intensive "need for privacy" that some people seem to have.

Growin up in the 50s, if I was roller skating too fast, the neighbor would call my Mom. this is PRECISELY what kept neighborhoods safe for kids to play in.......and the kids safe. the neighbors actually CARED if I broke my neck, or broke somebody elses.

People were not selfishly "minding their own business" and I think this concept has gone WAY too far and hasn't made anything better at all....it's made everything much much worse. YOur children arent' even safe to walk home from school or play outside, cuz everhyone is busy "minding their own business".

I have no problem making a citizen's arrest if I ever have to. Hopefully I never have to do that, although I did call the sheriiff on 911 when I saw a car swerving a lot the other day...... Was kinda worried they were drunk and might kill somebody after they drove by me. I would have felt pretty bad about that so I did call and give the sheriff a heads up.

It has always been my idea that people who are OVERLY intent of closed curtains and privacy might actually have something to hide. I am a law abiding citizen and for 60 years thus far, have really never felt that my privacy was overly challenged. Except when my credit card was hacked after buying ecig products....

It's sad the 50s and 60s will never return, and that is because everyone hides inside or in their high fenced backyards and people don't even seem to like each other anymore.

exactly;

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/passers_by_let_good_sam_die_5SGkf5XDP5ooudVuEd8fbI

 

[Racehorse]

thank you, VJC.

I am obviously from a different generation than many people here, and yet, it is precisely the nostalgic past that so many SAY they want.......but the behavior has to change for that to happen.

The present paranoia and mind-your-own business mind-set is everything that is ruining our world. I do not know why this is being programmed into people's minds.

I truly think they are being duped. And it is very sad. I haven't quite figured out the purpose for them being programmed like this, but I'm sure it is diabolical ....... and there is something to be gained by some powerful, uncaring force by doing this ..........

for now, I do know for now that it is extremely DAMAGING. I am so happy not to be bringing children into the "mind your own business" world though. I really am. I do laugh hard watching sitcoms from the era during which I grew up.....like when you watch Bewitched, Mrs Cravits peering out of her curtains to watch Samantha wiggle her nose and make magic happen. And Dennis the Menace having neighbors call his parents, and Mayberry USA where everyone knew what everyone else was doing.

But here is the funniest thing: All this foot-stamping about mind your own business and privacy-------- but everyone seems to be on Facebook where milliions can access their public profile, friend list, News Feed, relationship interests, birthday, notes, status updates, education history, events, groups, hometown, interests, photos, religious and political views, videos, likes, etc.

now that's privacy isn't it? Da'yum!

 

[Barbara21]

What gives anyone the right to police anyone else? They don't have that right.
I would have told them to get lost too. Unless it was an employee of the event,
no one has the authority to say anything to another patron, and they could find trouble
easily for butting their nose in. I wish people would just mind their own business, this
whole country would be so much better off.

My two sons were at a friend's apartment several weeks ago. To make a long story short, they stopped a guy two apartments away who was beating up his girlfriend and held him until the police got there. (Guy is in jail and will be there for awhile.)

By your rationale, they should have ignored it since it was none of their business.

 

[HDVaper]

He must have been a Democrat.

 

[Scott Ballentine]

I think it comes from dealing with nut-jobs and busy bodies and the nanny state we live in so much. Example: In the month of Feb with snow on the ground, I ran movie rentals into the store where I wanted a receipt. My two dogs, who live in the country, get excited every time we go to town. When dogs get excited, they pant. A nanny-state type didn't know the difference between an excited dog and a hot one and didn't think about the coat weather temperature or touch the window or roof to check if the car was hot and, so, was calling the sheriff as I approached my car. This is a small strip mall with four stores... smoke shop, sub shop, video and take out pizza shop... wouldn't have been hard to inquire. But, alas, I had to wait for the sheriff and explained I wasn't in the store more than 5 minutes but I was issued a warning because they were called (policy) and told 3 of those and they take the dogs. I couldn't be given a ticket because the temp in the car didn't exceed 70 degrees. There's a difference between ANTZ, nut jobs, nanny-staters or busy-bodies and truly concerned folks. Too many have had unfortunate experiences with all of the former. Our dogs now stay home instead of doing one of the things they love most with is going with us for a ride. They really do miss us as well as a fun ride. As for the nanny-state, how many homes exceed 70 degrees? Yeh, I'm one of the "stay out of my business" types precisely because of the crazies who think my business is somehow there's.

Edit: sorry if I went too far OT but this is a good example of that "nazi" mentality... just not with vaping... but the same.... they're eeeeverywhere.

Why did you wait for the Sheriff?

 

[retic1959]

Watching out for one's neighbors is not the same as butting in to a strangers business . I would intervene if someone was committing an act of violence but short of that stay out of others business or mine for that matter .

 

[Penn]

I don't think some understand what the concept of mind your own business means. There was a time when everyone on the block knew each other to some extent. People usually knew when something was amiss and when to just mind their own business. They also believed in natural selection within the human community.

 

[Tiffany Smeggin Peak]

in my mind there is a difference between i don't want you to smoke here and possibly dangerous things going on.

being a nonsmoker, if i see a person smoking in a public event that says no smoking i roll my eyes at them and take an obvious toot off my PV, hoping they will get my nonverbals telling them there is a better way to get their nicotine.
now if I am at an event and someone is smoking something illegal in my state (if you get what i mean) i either move away from the fumes or calmly tell them if it's obvious to me then it's obvious to people who can get them in trouble so they might want to stop.
Now when it comes to deeper stuff, I have neighboors that argue often and loud. For the most part I keep an ear to the wall, not to be nosey but because I care if the arguement turns into more and I would not hesitate to call someone bigger than me to help, more than likely the local PD.

 

[wrath186]

These are just my opinions.

First, because smoking is such a polarizing subject we, as the group trying to change behavior, need to be a lighter touch when dealing with others. IMHO, that means being tolerant and trying to educate the ignorant, but also adhering to current no smoking policies. I know that's not a popular opinion, especially among those ready to shout that vaping is not smoking, but while change will eventually come, it will gradual and being a rabid vaper is no better than being a rabid non smoker. I believe that soft touch is the way to go. By that I don't mean being bullied, but I do mean adhering to current no smoking policies. Just because I can do a thing doesn't mean I should. I know that there are those that will say, "Well what about those that were actually smoking?" My response there is you can't be responsible for everyone. The person smoking, when it's clearly marked a non-smoking event, is an .... It's been my experience that they know they're an ... and they enjoy it. That doesn't mean that because they're being ignorant we can too. Once again, this is my opinion only. Vaping at a public event where it's non smoking is the same as smoking to those around you because they don't know it's different. They aren't paying attetion to whether or not it smells or even if it's a cigarette in your hands. All that person knows is that they saw smoke and you shouldn't be smoking. Now, instead of being able to explain vaping, you're defending yourself against somone who believes that you are flouting the rules, especially if it is at an event where children may be present. Explaining vaping as an alternative to smoking was an uphill battle before, now its akin to rock climbing! Bottom line: It's your right to vape, but it's someone else not to be exposed to it if they don't want to. You can't step on someone elses right just to exercise your own.

Ok, deep breath here. Ready??

Second, privacy, the right to it and minding your own business doesn't mean that you ignore everyone and everything around you. It's been my experience that people that are constantly telling you to mind your own business are probably doing something that they don't want you knowing about. I know that's a sweeping generalization. It's also becoming more and more true. I firmly believe that the reason we see so many atrocities committed in our commuinities, to our neighbors and children is that we're too busy minding our own business. The right to privacy is just that: a right. The problem is it's not a free standing right. It's dependant on common sense and decency.

 

[Arnie H]

Really?

If more people thought that way, those women and children in Ariel Castro's house in Cleveland would still be living in captivity.

You know, all those neighbors were intent on minding their own business and all.


I guess I don't get the over-intensive "need for privacy" that some people seem to have.

Growin up in the 50s, if I was roller skating too fast, the neighbor would call my Mom. this is PRECISELY what kept neighborhoods safe for kids to play in.......and the kids safe. the neighbors actually CARED if I broke my neck, or broke somebody elses.

People were not selfishly "minding their own business" and I think this concept has gone WAY too far and hasn't made anything better at all....it's made everything much much worse. YOur children arent' even safe to walk home from school or play outside, cuz everhyone is busy "minding their own business".

I have no problem making a citizen's arrest if I ever have to. Hopefully I never have to do that, although I did call the sheriiff on 911 when I saw a car swerving a lot the other day...... Was kinda worried they were drunk and might kill somebody after they drove by me. I would have felt pretty bad about that so I did call and give the sheriff a heads up.

It has always been my idea that people who are OVERLY intent of closed curtains and privacy might actually have something to hide. I am a law abiding citizen and for 60 years thus far, have really never felt that my privacy was overly challenged. Except when my credit card was hacked after buying ecig products....

It's sad the 50s and 60s will never return, and that is because everyone hides inside or in their high fenced backyards and people don't even seem to like each other anymore.

I am not so certain, I'd like to see the 50s and 60s return. While it is often pictured as idyllic, many social strides have been made since then. Women's rights, civil and human rights, lesbian and gay rights, African American rights, cold war fears, etc.

 

[Zee2006]

I'm a "stay outta my business" kinda person because of people running around trying to tell others how large their soft drinks should be.....
I don't know what's happened to the world but some people have just gone soooo far over the top it's scary!

 

[vjc0628]

I'm a "stay outta my business" kinda person because of people running around trying to tell others how large their soft drinks should be.....
I don't know what's happened to the world but some people have just gone soooo far over the top it's scary!

this I agree with but its a different story when someone pays for admission to an event expecting it to be smoke free

and they don't understand or know about vaping or don't want there kids around it

That is there right and there business

If it were out in the street it would be different

further more This is posted in an ecig forum and speaks as if vaping rights have been violated when this is not the case at all

 

[Uma]

Why aren't there designated smoking areas? Out of towners don't know your town is a bully town. Hate crimes are legal now... it's okay to bully, disrespect, outlaw, ban people who are addicted to cigarettes... a product that has been sold and used since the world began, but that modern nannys have declared to be okay to hate and discriminate against.
Minding your own business when it comes to my personal world is totally different from minding your own business when it comes to my violent, lawbreaking world. Combining vaping with murder, in the same sentence, is unjustified. Vaping is not a crime, unless we let it be. Why in the world would anyone WANT it to be? Have you contacted your assemblyman today?

 

[Bliss Doubt]

...you go to a public event that you expect to be smoke free (and maybe you have a particular sensitivity to cigarettes, or a personal/family story involving cigarettes), you get there, and half a dozen "jokers" are smoking away, as if they didn't have a care in the world. What do you do? Call security? Ask them to stop? A reasonable approach would be to ask the person directly but politely, then call security, no?

I just don't expect "public" and "outdoors" to be smoke free. There is car exhaust, pollen, all sorts of air pollution, things other than cigarette smoke that could be of greater concern. When I used to smoke cigarettes, I expected to go outside. I hoped I would find an ashtray. If not, I'd stub out my cigarette completely on the ground, and drop the .... into a trash bin. I'd smoke only away from the edge of any crowd or cluster of people outdoors. I could always find a place, and nobody ever seemed to mind.

When vaping in public, I do think we have to be discreet. Some flavors smell so awful, I can see how they would be offensive. I'm with P. Busardo when he said (possible paraphrase because I can't remember word for word): "Now and then someone will walk past me vaping a cloud of strong vapor that smells like they fell into a vat of artificial maple syrup. They think I shouldn't mind." He went as far as saying that "no smoking" signs mean "no vaping" too. At that point, my opinion did differ from his.

In public I use flavors that I know don't put out a very strong scent, and I use 80 to 100 percent PG so that the plumes dissipate quickly and don't linger. I save the vapegasms, the billowing, lingering clouds of cinnabun and sugar cookie, for my time at home, in private.

It still doesn't stop people from looking at me suspiciously, but I haven't had a confrontation yet.

 

[XeniaMike]

It's because you are just an extra in the story of that person's life. One of God's special creations, that person is the absolute center of the universe and everyone else needs to bend to his/her rules and opinions. Never wrong, he/she merrily goes through life truly believing the world is a better place for them being in it. Humility is a dirty word and narcissistic ego-driven mania is the lifestyle of choice. And everywhere this is being done on a larger scale by groups. The end result is less peace, and less brotherhood than before as it is self-will run riot.

In other words, mean people suck.

 

[vernhall]

Some people just can't stand to see other people enjoy themselves... And especially when it comes to anything vaguely resembling a cigarette... The wife and I were at a local eatery (outside in a designated smoking area by the way) vaping merrily away while enjoying our meal... A couple a few tables down from us (on the windward side) that were seated after us started fake coughing and called over a waitress to complain... The waitress attempted to explain (she knows us as we're regular customers) that we weren't smoking and that the area was a smoking designated area... Didn't make any difference - the people didn't leave but kept up their little coughing show until we finished our meal and went on our way...

 

[vjc0628]

Some people just can't stand to see other people enjoy themselves... And especially when it comes to anything vaguely resembling a cigarette... The wife and I were at a local eatery (outside in a designated smoking area by the way) vaping merrily away while enjoying our meal... A couple a few tables down from us (on the windward side) that were seated after us started fake coughing and called over a waitress to complain... The waitress attempted to explain (she knows us as we're regular customers) that we weren't smoking and that the area was a smoking designated area... Didn't make any difference - the people didn't leave but kept up their little coughing show until we finished our meal and went on our way...

That's a completely different story

 

[wrath186]

Why aren't there designated smoking areas? Out of towners don't know your town is a bully town. Hate crimes are legal now... it's okay to bully, disrespect, outlaw, ban people who are addicted to cigarettes... a product that has been sold and used since the world began, but that modern nannys have declared to be okay to hate and discriminate against.
Minding your own business when it comes to my personal world is totally different from minding your own business when it comes to my violent, lawbreaking world. Combining vaping with murder, in the same sentence, is unjustified. Vaping is not a crime, unless we let it be. Why in the world would anyone WANT it to be? Have you contacted your assemblyman today?

Were you being deliberately provocative?

 

[ad356]

i dont think the FAA has any laws regarding vaping. im not sure if there are laws regarding not smoking around aircraft but that one's a common sense thing. you dont want to be smoking around fueled aircraft.... not smart. vaping does not carry the flamability issues that smoking does therefore there are no safety issues with it. you would litterally have to soak a PV in avgas and fire the atomizer to have any sort of safety issue and even then i who knows if that would be enough to spark a blaze..

also he told me no smoking. a provari and an itaste tank looks NOTHING like a cigarette. he must not even looked at what i was doing. last time i check cigarettes were not made of stainless steel and plastic.

 

[wrath186]

also he told me no smoking. a provari and an itaste tank looks NOTHING like a cigarette. he must not even looked at what i was doing. last time i check cigarettes were not made of stainless steel and plastic.

I don't think this person even saw what you were smoking, only that they saw smoke. It sounds like they then had a knee jerk reaction to what you were doing. IMO, I doubt they would have listened to any response you provided at that point. Usually non-smokers and reformed smokers bent on saving those who haven't quit smoking don't take the time to assess a situation before they launch into their tirades.