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I can afford a Miniken raw this Thanksgiving. Hell, this payperiod even (I was frugal) but I told Skunk I'd wait and get one for him. However, the FDA madness is making me want to GO too. Decisions, decisions.

I have wanted it forever. I am also gonna get more coils (soon) for a few tanks, plus at some point a replay device. Etc.

It's so weird having money again. I should really save for the house, but I've been really frugal and made it through the "really bad financial part" so it's rather temping.

Also gonna get a couple back up Sirens. Maybe I will work on the small stuff first. LOL.

Anna
 

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Ya I’m not a big fan of the silver and ultem. Testers are out already. Wide release should be soon.

I'm not sure why that caught on with them. It started with the Modefined Lyra, which didn't carry the LV branding. But then the Furyan came out which was / is.a nice 21700 squonk mech with a lock button, but the ultem and brass is a little over the top for me. The black with SS ends looks way better. Now they're bringing ultem to the Triade/Drone family and it just doesn't feel up to their usual more elegant attention to detail designs.

Then again, I still can't figure out the deal with why they stuck that tortoise shell disk under the 510 on the Paranormal. It's just a distraction from the rest of the generally decent design they tried to go for.
 

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I'm not sure why that caught on with them. It started with the Modefined Lyra, which didn't carry the LV branding. But then the Furyan came out which was / is.a nice 21700 squonk mech with a lock button, but the ultem and brass is a little over the top for me. The black with SS ends looks way better. Now they're bringing ultem to the Triade/Drone family and it just doesn't feel up to their usual more elegant attention to detail designs.

Then again, I still can't figure out the deal with why they stuck that tortoise shell disk under the 510 on the Paranormal. It's just a distraction from the rest of the generally decent design they tried to go for.

it's probably how everything is designed in china. one boss or project manager thought it would be really cool and he had to have it there. I think the black and ultem looks pretty good and then the black and black silver look good. Either of those three I'd be happy. The silver and ultem...uhhh.

I'm on the fence because while the rebel is absolutely more expensive...it's not that much more in the grand scheme of things. Is dual 21700 and 3d printed worth twice the price. Gonna sleep on it.

Oh also if anyone wants a yihi squonker just to say they have one...the Rebel 480 is 30 percent off. It's last gen and I think they are clearing stock for the 485 which should be released soon.
 

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3D printed dual 21700 squonker is going to be a big device. If the Drone you were able to source is pre-production, there may be some issues that have yet to be ironed out. Like the battery door on the Triade not fitting certain cells.

the drone is a huge device too lol. in fact I'm pretty sure that if they actually just redesigned it they could fit 21700s in the basic drone shape. All the lost vape mods except the mirage waste a lot of space.

also if the price is right I'm not too worried about getting a blem product.
 

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the drone is a huge device too lol. in fact I'm pretty sure that if they actually just redesigned it they could fit 21700s in the basic drone shape. All the lost vape mods except the mirage waste a lot of space.

also if the price is right I'm not too worried about getting a blem product.

Wouldn’t call it a waste of space. Not only do they have to design a device that is functional and aesthetically pleasing, they also have to ensure that the tooling they have, or their OEM has, coincides with their design. I’m sure they could make a extremely small dual cell device (within the limitations of a dual battery mod), but that may mean all new tooling which will drive the cost up.

For a triple cell mod, the Triade is smaller than many dual cell mods. Tolerances are so tight with the Triade, certain battery wraps could mean the bat door does not fully close.
 

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Wouldn’t call it a waste of space. Not only do they have to design a device that is functional and aesthetically pleasing, they also have to ensure that the tooling they have, or their OEM has, coincides with their design. I’m sure they could make a extremely small dual cell device (within the limitations of a dual battery mod), but that may mean all new tooling which will drive the cost up.

For a triple cell mod, the Triade is smaller than many dual cell mods. Tolerances are so tight with the Triade, certain battery wraps could mean the bat door does not fully close.

The triade and the mirage are very good. The triade is only a bit taller then it absolutely has to be.

The paranormal and the therion are not very good on space. I’m not saying it’s good or bad. But from a space perspective it’s not efficient.
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These are both dual battery 18650 mods.

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The 21700 boxer is actually shorter then the 18650 therion. By a significant amount and fits a 30mm.

But whatever. All I’m actually saying is the rebel 21700 isn’t actually much bigger then the drone.
 

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Probably not worth your time disclaimer:

Oh thank Goodness the husband agreed we could do all our benefit elections (I can keep Medicare for up to 8.5 years after I return to work, provided my disability remains, and I have a feeling my bipolar is not going anywhere) so can the husband. So, we have two sets of benefit elections to do and I really have to do my research because there are some WAY better plans than United's AARP plan, which we only got because most of our doctor's accept it. Now that we will have double insurance, (Cigna) both of us, well, we can go for the really super ones for medications and have zero copays. Ever.

It makes my Sunday considerably less hectic, plus also less chance of a Giant Argument. So I all I gotta do is shop and pack and do yoga. I would say, "Today is gonna be easy" but like, you NEVER say that, I have found.

Tomorrow may be less easy because the husband seems intent on ruining my sleep cycle this weekend. Friday night he like, did not cook dinner until I arrived, even though I was totally updating him with "I am here on the drive with this amount of time left." I guess I should have added "I am also hungry and cranky so get dinner in the oven you ......!" But, I thought it wasn't necessary.

Last night he invited me into the bedroom and factoring in our normal "time frame for intimacy" I was like, okay I can take my meds afterwards. But he's been pouring a lot of concrete, it made him sort of Hulk-like I guess, but I was over a half hour late to take my meds. For a more pleasant reason, but I don't do well without 8 hours sleep so the next three days are gonna be tiresome getting on schedule.

At least it wasn't the 3 am phone update, but we are gonna have a little chat and it will be called, "If you don't get to bed on time, you can sleep until you decide to wake up. I cannot do that. It is not fair of you to do this to me."

That's not what the end of the conversation is gonna sound like, I'm fairly sure, but like I may start there. Hmm. Maybe I will leave him out of the equation and just talk about MY sleep needs, that might help.

Of course, he could go to "It is your choice to sleep." He'd probably say that about bedroom time too, "It was your choice not to get up and like, take your meds you should have kept an eye on the clock...." or something. If he does that, I am going to pretend to fall asleep halfway or so through the next five times we go to intimacy land.

Because I'm just asking for his like, ASSISTANCE, not acknowledging the fact that I apparently have the ability to go unconscious any time I want. I wish I had that super hero like trait, "Deep Sleep Anna!" and my costume could be made of pillows, but it in fact takes several deep sleep medications taken in a precise order, and some rigorous concentration. Otherwise, I can go like 6 weeks without sleeping. That is my max so for, I have a feeling death would have followed soon, but it was unpleasant enough for me to not like, go for some personal record or whatever.

Anna
 

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The triade and the mirage are very good. The triade is only a bit taller then it absolutely has to be.

The paranormal and the therion are not very good on space. I’m not saying it’s good or bad. But from a space perspective it’s not efficient.
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These are both dual battery 18650 mods.

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The 21700 boxer is actually shorter then the 18650 therion. By a significant amount and fits a 30mm.

But whatever. All I’m actually saying is the rebel 21700 isn’t actually much bigger then the drone.

I understand that. What I am saying is how much can Lost Vape afford to change their design from one generation of device to the next. The current Paranormal is just a small evolution from the previous generation. The previous generation may have had limitations with how small they could build it – and changing that forum factor with the current generation could be way out of Lost Vape’s budget – especially given they are (or has) introduced new devices such as Orion and Drone which the cost to design and manufacture could very will dip into the profits they made from other devices.

Leaving quality aside, the new Smok Mag would be an extremely expensive product to design in comparison to their usual box type devices. But Smok has the recourses to pull this off. They also have the capital to gamble with in the event this device does not sell. Lost Vape, being as small as it is, does not have such luxuries.
 

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I understand that. What I am saying is how much can Lost Vape afford to change their design from one generation of device to the next. The current Paranormal is just a small evolution from the previous generation. The previous generation may have had limitations with how small they could build it – and changing that forum factor with the current generation could be way out of Lost Vape’s budget – especially given they are (or has) introduced new devices such as Orion and Drone which the cost to design and manufacture could very will dip into the profits they made from other devices.

Leaving quality aside, the new Smok Mag would be an extremely expensive product to design in comparison to their usual box type devices. But Smok has the recourses to pull this off. They also have the capital to gamble with in the event this device does not sell. Lost Vape, being as small as it is, does not have such luxuries.


I don't really understand what point you are trying to make. Designing for space efficiency is a design decision. It's not good or bad.

A dual 21700 squonker is going to be a big mod. But it's not necessary going to be much bigger then the drone since the drone is very big already for what it is.

So I'm just saying that size isn't really an relevant distinction between these two mods in terms of my purchasing decision.

Actually, I know for a fact that they will probably be close because the 18650 rebel is only slightly bigger then the triade and the drone is bigger then the triade in almost every dimension.
 

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I don't really understand what point you are trying to make. Designing for space efficiency is a design decision. It's not good or bad.

A dual 21700 squonker is going to be a big mod. But it's not necessary going to be much bigger then the drone since the drone is very big already for what it is.

So I'm just saying that size isn't really an relevant distinction between these two mods in terms of my purchasing decision.

Actually, I know for a fact that they will probably be close because the 18650 rebel is only slightly bigger then the triade and the drone is bigger then the triade in almost every dimension.

The conversation evolved from your comment that Lost Vape’s mods (or some of them) are a waste of space. I am just identifying challenges with manufacturing and that LV may not have the budget to combat those challenges, hence why their devices are bigger than norm or that they have not changed the forum factor between generations.

It is easy to design a small device – I could whip up autocad and draw a dual cell squonker that is no bigger than the Triade. The challenge now is to manufacture it within a said budget.

And as for the Drone – someone within Lost Vape made a conscience decision to come out with a ultem model – why, I have no idea. Perhaps the ultem Furyan was a big seller. But ultem requires different attention to design than metal or alloy – this could mean a larger device. So to simplify manufacturing, and cut back on the cost of tooling, their alloy Drones will use the same parts as the ultem.
 

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Evening Shinies,

Hope everyone is having a pleasant Sunday.

... who moved my coffee pot?
  • Mrs Eskie / significant other / partner / offspring
  • Any free-ranging pet
  • The house ghost
  • Geophysical disturbances
  • Aliens transported it, mistakenly thinking it was a sentient life-form
  • You are living in the Matrix
  • Natural or artificial deterioration of the neural pathways has caused a minor information loss e.g. you forgot where you put it
It is wise never to mess with a coffee pot. The resulting bad mood and existential crisis caused by lack of caffeine is a wonderful demonstration of the spectacular.

Morning shinies :)

As your partner in crime @NolaMel - my advice is BUY SHINIES

;)

I wonder if we can get our own identifier on the US Stock exchange? We pump enough into economy :).
 
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The conversation evolved from your comment that Lost Vape’s mods (or some of them) are a waste of space. I am just identifying challenges with manufacturing and that LV may not have the budget to combat those challenges, hence why their devices are bigger than norm or that they have not changed the forum factor between generations.

It is easy to design a small device – I could whip up autocad and draw a dual cell squonker that is no bigger than the Triade. The challenge now is to manufacture it within a said budget.

And as for the Drone – someone within Lost Vape made a conscience decision to come out with a ultem model – why, I have no idea. Perhaps the ultem Furyan was a big seller. But ultem requires different attention to design than metal or alloy – this could mean a larger device. So to simplify manufacturing, and cut back on the cost of tooling, their alloy Drones will use the same parts as the ultem.

no I said they waste a lot of space. like there's just tons of space inside the mod doing nothing but taking up space.
 

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