Yes, it was upgraded.
I didn't call it a poor or faulty design, I said I hate the button placement, which is subjective.
I didn't call it a poor or faulty design, I said I hate the button placement, which is subjective.
Given the unknown issues you’ve experienced with your Rage – perhaps that contributed to its poor battery performance. As for the button placement, if subjective, which I fully agree, then why bring it up in context toward mass produced Chinese designs as dom was eluding to?
Things are still contentious, they were ordered back to work by the government so there's still a labor dispute.
Domestic parcels are (and have been) moving ... but the backlog for international parcels means delays into March 2019.
I was simply pointing out that for a few reasons, I haven't been happy with one of the few current dual battery squonkers out there. Nothing is perfect.
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DNA Chip - There's a premium sure. I have no problems paying for a better device. I have the stable to prove that. I'm holding an SXK Billet Box right now where I paid a 40% mark up just to get a DNA chip.
Button Placement - As you mention, 100% subjective. It's not my favourite placement either, but for me it's workable. Because it's subjective we should set it aside.
Battery - The only time it has blown through batteries for me was when vaping in excess of 65W. It doesn't matter what chip you use, if you're vaping in high wattage ranges you're going to burn through power.
The best I could find googling is a ~10-15% better run time on a DNA chip vs your general Chinese offering. I don't have my puff count to battery usage data, but let's say I get ~3.5 hours out of a rage when i'm vaping 80Wish. Seems reasonable for my constant chain vaping usage. That's 210 minutes. An improvement of 10-15% is 21 to 31.5 minutes.
On a 16 hour day, assuming i'm chain vaping all day long, that means i'd have to swap batteries 4 times on a rage. It also means i'd have to swap batteries 4 times on a DNA chip.
My point of view is not that the DNA chip isn't worth buying. It's the mass production Chinese grade quality that doesn't get solved by buying a Lost Vape product. If we're going to spend $250 CAD to buy a run of the mill mod with a DNA chip, i'd rather pay $250 CAD to buy a non mass produced chinese grade mod with a DNA chip. And even at that point, at $250 CAD we aren't exactly pinching pennies. I wouldn't care about spending $50 or even $100 more.
If it makes people happy and people want to buy it, go ahead. There's no reason not to if it gives the buyer their money's worth of satisfaction.
People should buy whatever makes them happy. If there's a demand for a chinese mass produced quality mod with a DNA chip, at a price point into the hundreds, then it will sell. If the buyer gets their money's worth of satisfaction, then I encourage them to buy what makes them happy.
Personally, when i'm looking at a mod that costs hundreds of dollars, i'm in territory that is well beyond smoking cessation. I don't mind paying $250 for a mod when it has $250 worth of performance, craftmanship, and build quality to go along with it.
Let's look at facts here. You can get a DNA250C board for a retail price of $90 CAD. That means Lost Vape is pushing a mass produced mod, costing the same in tooling, quality, production, and overhead as any other cheap chinese mod, for a $160 CAD premium. I sure as hell wouldn't pay $160 CAD for a Smok G-Priv. You can point to a Chinese website and say that the mods are selling wholesale for much less than $250 CAD, but I can guarantee you they aren't paying $90 CAD for each individual board.
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Not a one, had it very quickly, less than a week. It was also cheaper ordering directly from QP even with the shipping. When I ordered they had it priced 49.99, can't remember full price.
I don't know how stuff like currency exchange and tariffs affects CAD pricing, but if you compare a LV DNA squonk versus say a Boxer or Rebel with the same chip and a nylon body I think the difference is more than $100. You can also look at VA. Beautifully made and crafted, but well more than a LV product. It's up to you as the consumer whether the crafting, but identical performance with the same board, is worth it for you.
I had the g priv and Therion dna133 at the same time. There is no comparison between the two. The Smok board needed to be reset at minimum twice a week to function at all. The 133 didn’t need a reset for over a year and that reset was needed due to user error. Since the reset the 133 has had zero issues. Using the same attys with the same builds the dna lasted a full day longer an because it was more comfortable in hand it was used more often than the smok. There is literally no comparing the two.
So I understand your point, and a valid one as well. But I think using the Drone is a poor example for I strongly believe the $250 CAN price tag is a retailer exploiting the hype behind the product.
So for the sake of conversation lets compare the Paranormal to the Desire Rage given it was brought up earlier. Removing the high cost of the DNA board and the low cost of the Desire board we now have a shell that is similarly priced. Outside the Drone, I don’t think Lost Vape products are that over priced. There is a cost of admission getting into a DNA device. The price of the board dictates a higher manufacturing cost, therefore wider margin of markup.
You've missed the point.
I have no problem with a DNA board premium. What you wrote about has specifically to do with the difference between the boards.
My problem is that the 'shell' of the Therion is no different than any other mass produced Chinese mod.
Everything is fine except the door.
Again, I do don’t know if the other review units or the retail units are like this.
But whatever this material is does not have the structural rigidity of the ultem that you see on drip tips or guitar picks. I’ve got guitar picks thinner then this door that are rock solid.
Now, the material itself isn’t the problem. Pc has great shock resistance and structural properties. If this was a flat door for a 1 battery squonker it would be great. But the fact that there is a curve on this piece makes it very bad.
The top has 2 magnets that lock into the mod. The bottom doesn’t. The entire bottom flexes when you squeeze the mod.
I think what they should have done is stick to the old door and replaced the other pieces for weight saving.
It’s not the worst thing in the world but the one particular piece is a step backwards from the previous drone.
I’ll wait to see what other reviewers say when the English reviews start coming out.
Multi-quotes are hard on my phone.
But 250 cad is a straight up highway robbery price. This mod and the original drone should both retail for 10 dollars more then the paranormal.
I disagree. Not one single knick on any of my Therions and since I use them more they get knocked over and dropped more. Battery door is still solid after over a year of daily use. 510 threads are still excellent. Cannot say that about any other of my older mods outside of the Ark.
This is just false. The fit, finish and machining quality of the therion shell is very good and competitive with its price point.
Lv just does a bad job on the random crap they stick places and replaceable parts.
Pretty sure just incoming -- there are hundreds of trailers in lots awaiting unloading. I mean, there will probably be delays across the board for a while as they try to maintain a semblance of a functioning current system, but introducing the load in those trucks into that system is going to be a slow process.
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