So I could turn out to be full of it here.

[bombastinator]

Well I fell for that one then. Thank you for taking pity on me and saving me an hour of fruitless googling.

I have officially been well trolled.

*notices the like from @Jebbn * still mad about being turned into a cat then I see. I at least can appreciate a good trolling. Or was that not you? I forget. The whole thing was at least couple pages back in this already unnavigable thread. I’ve always sucked with names. Either way if you posted the video I doff my hat. That was well done.

UPDATE: I had a brainwave and checked a different way. I’m confusing you with vapentime. My apologies.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Well I fell for that one then. Thank you for taking pity on me and saving me an hour of fruitless googling.

I have officially been well trolled.

Not trolling at all. You brought up engineers joining the conversation and someone else mentioned how the discussion was getting technical. I thought I would inject a little humor with an engineering gag.

 

[bombastinator]

Not trolling at all. You brought up engineers joining the conversation and someone else mentioned how the discussion was getting technical. I thought I would inject a little humor with an engineering gag.

Lol. It worked great anyway. I heard what I knew was a real term or two and was sucked right in. I was having trouble figuring out what they were doing with a, for a control system, small electric motor that wasn’t connected to anything.
I guess that’s the very definition of knowing just enough to be dangerous.

 

[dripster]

If smoking 4 cigs in your mouth at the same time created better flavor then one, would that make sense? Perhaps doing 4 would, not debating that, but is it worth it

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

The goal of using multiple coils in an RBA isn't necessarily always about that. I find that a dual coil configuration usually can help to make it easier to achieve a cooler vape, without having to sacrifice on vapor production that is, whether you prefer this or not.

 

[chanelvaps]

Lol. It worked great anyway. I heard what I knew was a real term or two and was sucked right in. I was having trouble figuring out what they were doing with a, for a control system, small electric motor that wasn’t connected to anything.
I guess that’s the very definition of knowing just enough to be dangerous.

I thought of it as just injecting a little humor into the whole thing with some REALLY tech terms that almost no one could understand!

 

[dripster]

Can? Maybe. On the device anyway. Will my batteries handle it though? I’d rather not find out the answer is no. Lithium batteries have really impressive tantrums when mistreated.

To recap the why of the thing though:
It was an experiment based on reacting to a bunch of posts from various members, most of them I think young, though not all on the concept that flavor chasing was best at very high wattage levels. The experience of me and a lot of long term vapers implied this was crap, and we said as much. I decided that if I was going to complain I should at least give it a shot. It seems they aren’t completely wrong. There is a somewhat small but very noticble flavor improvement. The effective costs are huge. You need a powerful VV mod to do it safely for one. Other problems include 3-4x battery drain and juice use. IMHO It seems you can get 90% of the way there at 1/3rd the wattage on a much safer .5mm coil. All day on a single set of batteries is a handy thing. So is not running through 30-40ml of juice in a day.

Right now I’m leaving in the coils to see if there are any other issues in longer term use. One thing I’m noticing is gunking May actually be lower, but the coils required very tight grub screws and the heat expansion may actually loosen them so they still may need more maintainance than a lower wattage solution. Time will tell.

The real reason why you think the difference is small is simply because you gave it only a very small fraction of a shot. Like I already tried to explain earlier, a lot of the confrontational bias comes from confounding 1/ high wattage flavor chasing DL on advanced coil builds with 2/ using just a pair of fused clapton coils at around the high wattage setting that they require to be able to offer their best flavor performance that they are capable of, i.e., your average advanced functional coil builder's universe doesn't end at the place where you purchased yours, let alone ends at fused claptons, because instead, fused claptons are where it actually begins, and, as others have stated, there are several many important factors to also take properly into account, all in addition to what type the coils are.

 

[dripster]

Mine too. I’m repeatedly checking the batteries for heat or bulging. If I get any it’s over. I didn’t say it wasn’t stupid. I kept seeing all these people advising others that it was the “ultimate flavor” or some such. I am in NO WAY extolling this behavior. It’s dumb. The only way to know that for sure though is to test it. Turns out that while it’s a bit dangerous and quite expensive and wasteful and the flavor gain is small, it’s not zero. I was expecting zero myself. It’s still stupid though. The best bang/buck ratio is apparently MTL by a mile. A middling DL setup is still 90% of what I’m getting with the most balls-to-the-wall build I could do with my equipment.
I effectively elected to go vape racing I guess.

Not just unnecessary, dangerously unstable as well. This thing was built and tested initially at 0.10ohm.
It fluctuated from that to 0.07 in 15 minutes, then climbed to 0.14 in less than a day, and then dropped to 0.06 with a cleaning. With a single battery mech that’s just asking for spontaneous face removal.
People were claiming how “great” it was though. Something had to be done.

So basically you’re knitting yourself some stainless steel wool

“AF”?

Of course. Thick wire has lower resistance than thin. That’s how resistance wire is, or how thermal mass works depending on I suspect the definition of “AF”

Agreed. This is true for most things in fact. The wrong thing it turned out was ohms were so low I had to basically crush a dent into the ends of the coil to make a good enough connection. Now I’m waiting to see if it works itself loose a second time from simple heat expansion.

The only dumb behavior here is hidden in the fact you are once again making all sorts of ridiculous conclusions about all the things you know squat about because you simply never tried them. All dumb talk and no hands-on experience even in the slightest, in cohort with calling other people dumb, typically in addition to that, as was to be expected of course.

 

[bombastinator]

The real reason why you think the difference is small is simply because you gave it only a very small fraction of a shot. Like I already tried to explain earlier, a lot of the confrontational bias comes from confounding 1/ high wattage flavor chasing DL on advanced coil builds with 2/ using just a pair of fused clapton coils at around the high wattage setting that they require to be able to offer their best flavor performance that they are capable of, i.e., your average advanced functional coil builder's universe doesn't end at the place where you purchased yours, let alone ends at fused claptons, because instead, fused claptons are where it actually begins, and, as others have stated, there are several many important factors to also take properly into account, all in addition to what type the coils are.

It’s true I didn’t get into the double stapled alien left handed cross stitched stuff. I took what the store had. I’m liking the radiator coil I got in now better yet. I can take a full drag for one. I didn’t like putting it in though and I understand I won’t like it when it’s time to rewick it either.
My primary interest was showing how dangerous super sub ohm coils are without actually blowing myself up, and I did find that there is a flavor improvement though I didn’t find it “amazing” and “luscious” might be a bit strong. It’s there though.
Then the “it works better with 8 coils” started coming up and it was pointed out that if I used basically any other mod than the one I happened to have picked up because it was closest I would have been in the danger zone, so I dropped it. Also it became clear just from the level of jargon that I was starting to get well out of my math level to make things go. I want a vape that allows me to live life, not a life that allows me to live vape I guess.

 

[tj99959]

Just read my signature!

 

[bombastinator]

Just read my signature!

? Huh?

 

[jandrew]

...
My primary interest was showing how dangerous super sub ohm coils are without actually blowing myself up, ...

How, exactly, were you showing us the danger?

Your original post begins by stating that you wanted to find out if tenth-ohm coils at 90+ watts and massive coils are the best flavor experience. It did not say anywhere that your interest or intent was in showing how dangerous it is -- and your "results" in that post do not mention danger either, just some improvement in flavor at the cost of battery and juice consumption.

I guess I'm just confused.

 

[tj99959]

? Huh?

Find & use the build gives you the flavor that YOU want, and don't worry about all the nonsense.
Who cares if an "8 coil build" gives more flavor than a clapton!
You can search for "something better" until hell freezes over .... but why?!?


example:
An A1 30ga 1.8 ohm single coil produces the flavor that "I" want from the atomizer of "MY" choice (A7 mini) at 8 watts, and I don't care what satisfies someone else.

add:
OH-and that's a 2.2 amp draw on the 20 amp battery in my mechanical mod.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Find & use the build gives you the flavor that YOU want, and don't worry about all the nonsense.
Who cares if an "8 coil build" gives more flavor than a clapton!
You can search for "something better" until hell freezes over .... but why?!?


example:
An A1 30ga 1.8 ohm single coil produces the flavor that "I" want from the atomizer of "MY" choice (A7 mini) at 8 watts, and I don't care what satisfies someone else.

add:
OH-and that's a 2.2 amp draw on the 20 amp battery in my mechanical mod.

Not to dispute your preferences and or practices – however, if you do not experiment outside what you are used to using, you will never know if there is something out there that you may prefer more.

Don’t know what the true objective to the OP’s experiment was, the later comments on safety are confusing. But I took his original post as wanting to experience what it is like to vape at higher wattages with a compatible coil(s). He discovered that there are benefits, as in a perceived increase in flavour - but felt the compromises, as in battery life and juice consumption, were not worth it. Personally I think that is a very fair, but individual evaluation. To someone else that increase in flavour could very well out way the costs of battery life and juice consumption.

 

[tj99959]

Look at it this way:
Something better can not be defined (because it's subjective)
so all that can be found is "something different"

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Look at it this way:
Something better can not be defined (because it's subjective)
so all that can be found is "something different"

First and foremost, “better” has to be defined. Once that definition is established we can then look whether “better” is subjective or has objective data to back the claim.

I prefer Coke over Pepsi – Subjectively, to me, Coke is better.

With computing a goal could be faster processing, therefore a computer with higher clock rate/more cores is objectively better than one with a lower clock rate and less cores.

With vaping, there is much that cannot be objectively measured therefore we run with subjective thought. And as much as I agree that subjective thought is nothing more than “something different”, as in Coke is different than Pepsi, that difference can sway towards and individuals preference – therefore “better!”

 

[tj99959]

 

[440BB]

This thread reminded me that happiness is relative and that I don't need to try out every possibility to see if I'd be happier.

My wife is glad about that.

 

[Skeebo]

I think this is the third Mexican standoff in this thread.

 

[chanelvaps]

I think this is the third Mexican standoff in this thread.

HAHA. There sure has been very strong disagreement and that is all good until someone implies someone else is stupid or wrong because they would have done it differently. I applaud the OP for going out of his comfort zone, taking us all with him, and lastly putting up with abuse from others pretty well. I probably would not have been as nice.

 

[Skunk!]

First and foremost, “better” has to be defined. Once that definition is established we can then look whether “better” is subjective or has objective data to back the claim.

I prefer Coke over Pepsi – Subjectively, to me, Coke is better.

With computing a goal could be faster processing, therefore a computer with higher clock rate/more cores is objectively better than one with a lower clock rate and less cores.

With vaping, there is much that cannot be objectively measured therefore we run with subjective thought. And as much as I agree that subjective thought is nothing more than “something different”, as in Coke is different than Pepsi, that difference can sway towards and individuals preference – therefore “better!”

But Coke is better.