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i wud think chocolate mint with vanilla bean ice cream wud b a gud mix
You come up with some v-e-r-y interesting stuff. The doc I spoke with works in a large public mental health organization. There's a huge concentration of smokers there and I've been trying to figure out ways to combine the generosity of our local vape meet group with a significant charity like mental health. Too bad MH has such a stigma. The group did wonders for vape-a-Vet. Now it's time to move on (IMO). I was also looking at 12 step clubs in town.
I will definately take a look and pass it on. I'm sure I can dig up more. Smoking is a complicated addiction and it's not just behavioral. If anything, I think focusing solely on the nicotine is what has prevented developing more successful cessation therapies. Too many get sick when they quit (among other things) and obviously smokers WANT to quit, so I don't think it's a lack of motivation either - like many unsuccessful studies seem to suggest.
I will definately take a look and pass it on. I'm sure I can dig up more. Smoking is a complicated addiction and it's not just behavioral. If anything, I think focusing solely on the nicotine is what has prevented developing more successful cessation therapies. Too many get sick when they quit (among other things) and obviously smokers WANT to quit, so I don't think it's a lack of motivation either - like many unsuccessful studies seem to suggest.
AH - The first time I tried to quit using the patches - I had a number of freinds offer to buy "Me" cigarettes for 6 months if I would just start smoking again . . . Talk about MOOD Swings . . . I WAS NOT A NICE PERSON (still not) . . .
YEP - Once again "You" are correct in your statement "withdrawal" is more then just nicotine and very challenging to many people . . . However, I disagree with the "pysch dr" your spoke with about the effects of MOAI's in cigarette smoke that are ineffective . . . ANd - While there are many different studies available and still more to be done . . . Just one report the "Brain monoamine oxidase A inhibition in cigarette smokers" (1996) which can be found at the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health ( Brain monoamine oxidase A inhibition in cigarettesmokers ) would say differently:
"In conclusion, we report here the first direct observation in the human brain that tobacco smoke exposure is associated with a reduction in MAO A. Since MAO A breaks down monoamines linked to mood, this study suggests that MAO A inhibition needs to be considered as a link between tobacco smoke exposure and depression. It also provides support for a recent trial using MAO inhibitor therapy for smoking cessation (41) Even though this study suggests a mechanism by which smoking may provide relief in depressed individuals, the adverse effects of smoking are overwhelming (42). Thus the challenge remains to understand the neurochemical effects of smoke that contribute to smoking behavior and epidemiology and to use this knowledge to develop better therapies for smoking cessation, particular in that subgroup of individuals who consistently relapse."
There is also interesting read from the Journal of Neuroscience "Monoamine Oxidase Inhibition Dramatically Increases the Motivation to Self-Administer Nicotine in Rats" (2005) that also discusses MOAI's in Tobacco and the possible effects that might hinder someone from quitting cigarettes easily:
" . . .the present results suggest that, in addition to nicotine, the MAO inhibitory activity of other compounds present in cigarette smoke may combine with nicotine and contribute, at least in part, to the reinforcing properties of tobacco. These findings have implications relevant for understanding the addiction liability of cigarette smoking and may suggest important new avenues for the development of more effective treatments for smoking cessation."
Given these reports and many others - Nicotine is not the only substance causing "Our" ADDICTION to Smoking - Just Sayin' . . .
Uncle,
Great post!
I first heard about MAOI's in probably the early '80's, when they showed a lot of promise for treating depression.
There were several problems, though:
a) Users had to follow very strict dietary restrictions
b) There were a lot of other drugs that created major complications when used with MAOI's.
Nowadays, b) is just par for the course. All the modern prescription drugs all have contra-indications with other medicines and/or conditions. Back in the '80's this wasn't so much of an issue.
As far as a) goes, that was probably the killer for MAOI treatments. Us lo on ies weren't disciplined enough to stay away from prohibited foods.
However, I believe that the major food<->MAOI interactions happened in the digestive system, and are completely bypassed when the MAOIs are inhaled. So aikanae's Dr. might not have been totally wrong (since oral dosage of MAOI's was AFAIK the only technique being used) without contradicting the results of the cigarette study.
Aikanae, could you please pick a new monniker that's not so hard to remember? (I have to look it up every time I type it!!!!!) Be kind to the certifiables, please! ;-)
(Actually, Aikanae, don't change a thing. I was just on a roll.....)
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From Uncle's link to "Foods to avoid":
"Beer and ale should also be avoided "
Yeah, like that's gonna work!
Great post!
I first heard about MAOI's in probably the early '80's, when they showed a lot of promise for treating depression.
There were several problems, though:
a) Users had to follow very strict dietary restrictions
b) There were a lot of other drugs that created major complications when used with MAOI's.
Nowadays, b) is just par for the course. All the modern prescription drugs all have contra-indications with other medicines and/or conditions. Back in the '80's this wasn't so much of an issue.
As far as a) goes, that was probably the killer for MAOI treatments. Us lo on ies weren't disciplined enough to stay away from prohibited foods.
However, I believe that the major food<->MAOI interactions happened in the digestive system, and are completely bypassed when the MAOIs are inhaled. So aikanae's Dr. might not have been totally wrong (since oral dosage of MAOI's was AFAIK the only technique being used) without contradicting the results of the cigarette study.
Aikanae, could you please pick a new monniker that's not so hard to remember? (I have to look it up every time I type it!!!!!) Be kind to the certifiables, please! ;-)
(Actually, Aikanae, don't change a thing. I was just on a roll.....)
(another edit)
From Uncle's link to "Foods to avoid":
"Beer and ale should also be avoided "
Yeah, like that's gonna work!
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Yea, that Dr. Who episode is one of my all time fav's. I love the combo of humor, sci-fi and creepy, scarey. Not to mention quoteable lines.
I want to be heavily into DIY but I'm just starting out. My goal is to have vapeable eliquids under 5% PG max, preferably 0%. But we'll see. I know that's not everyone's goal and I can do more PG just not for long. I shouldn't push it since my symptoms are immediate, but what the hey - that's what epi-pens are for. Life would be very dull if I paid full attention to all my allergies.
So no pressure, please, not on my account (I can always get a pint of b&j's). Flavor is developed, fine tuned, honed and crafted. Coaxed into being. But most of all, should be fun. But I'm just beginning. I may have other words about it in a month.
Chocolate seems to be a difficult flavor anyway. Just the bit I've done, it wouldn't take much to convience me that DIY is hard to do without having most all flavors from every brand at hand. Ouch.
I want to be heavily into DIY but I'm just starting out. My goal is to have vapeable eliquids under 5% PG max, preferably 0%. But we'll see. I know that's not everyone's goal and I can do more PG just not for long. I shouldn't push it since my symptoms are immediate, but what the hey - that's what epi-pens are for. Life would be very dull if I paid full attention to all my allergies.
So no pressure, please, not on my account (I can always get a pint of b&j's). Flavor is developed, fine tuned, honed and crafted. Coaxed into being. But most of all, should be fun. But I'm just beginning. I may have other words about it in a month.
Chocolate seems to be a difficult flavor anyway. Just the bit I've done, it wouldn't take much to convience me that DIY is hard to do without having most all flavors from every brand at hand. Ouch.
YEP - It Sure Is Complicated . . . Also - From "My" work as a Professional Counselor in Human Behaviour Modification "You" might think this would be easier - BUT IT IS NOT . . . It's Pure EVIL
Matter of fact, in "Our" local Vape Group that meets once a month, there are many young members who come that are also "Addicts" of other substances who have turned to Vaping . . . They find it very helpful, but not always satisfying . . . It seems to "Me" (IM- P/P-O) that they are also the ones who are still searching for the Bigger, supposedly Better MODS, and have become The "Cloud Chasers" because they are still missing something.
I "Myself" am still trying to find some satisfaction with the additions of the "WTA" I have. Just haven't found the right combinations yet for "Me" . . . Wish I know about mixing "stuff" (No not DIY), more specifically how much of what to put into what and then just add this to achieve "My" desired ADV . . . However, I am still working on it . . . ONE OF THESE DAYS . . .
I have no idea if this'll help since it's always been easy for me to pronounce, but here goes;
I-ka-nA
It means special friend/close companion in hawaiian. There's really no english word for the same.
The 1 after my name is because I forgot my original password.
Hey - I was able to stop drinking alcohol . . .
So if I can do it - SO CAN YOU ! ! !
(AND - Just to be totally, honest - Yes - I have stopped drinking alcohol for the most part because of the Diabetes and I lost that feeling of being satisfied getting intoxicated, but I still will have a drink every now and then - just because I want to or feel the NEED . . .
) EDIT: BTW - I hear Ya' on the other "Stuff" and read about that too, but "We" all need to be as informed about these thing as possible and then make "Our" own decisions about what is right for "Us" . . . SO I was just throwing that info out there . . . RESEARCH IS IMPORTANT & A MUST . . .
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aikanae,
The Chocolate Mint I got from JJ is PG based; my nic and filler is all VG. (And whenever I get the choice, my e-juice is at least "max VG" which isn't always PG-free.) But that's great to know, at this stage, limiting my possible choices is a good thing! Let me see what I can come up with.... Will definitely share the recipe. In the mean time, my wife is happy with a simple ChocMint/Nic/VG mix so I got that covered!
I really like the "new" Dr. Who. The human characters are just so exquisitely developed!
Hey - I was able to stop drinking alcohol - so if I can do it - SO CAN YOU ! ! !
Yes, but for those prone to depression, self-medication very frequently involves both alcohol and cigarettes. In my particular case, alcohol hasn't been a serious issue, certainly not as much as smoking was. And, when considering treatments for depression, anything that's going to require a significant, voluntary lifestyle change is also likely to have a low success rate. Doing a 30-minute workout at the gym has reasonably positive benefits for many types of depression; there's a reason, though, why that remedy is underutilized. (Also, there is a very valid reason why the depressed tend to self-medicate rather than getting our butts off the couch to see a Doctor.)
Just sayin'!
YEP - I Agree - That is a FACT . . .
Now - I hope "You" read "My" whole post . . . It was more "tongue-in-cheek" (particularly the reference to . . . If I can do it - SO can "You" . . . that so many people who have quit smoking say to "Us") then being serious . . . Especially since I do know - Personally & Professionally - very well about Depression/Self-Medication both for those using/abusing all shorts of "DRUGS", including Alcohol/Tobacco/Food/Sex/etc. (and there are a lot more too) . . .
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YEP - I Agree - That is a FACT . . .
Now - I hope "You" read "My" whole post . . . It was more "tongue-in-cheek" (particularly the reference to If I can do it - SO can "You") then being serious . . . Especially since I do know - Personally & Professionally - very well about Depression/Self-Medication both for those using/abusing all shorts of "DRUGS", including Alcohol/Tobacco/Food/Sex/etc. (and there are a lot more too) . . .
I suspected that was tongue-in-cheek (particularly after I posted, ain't that the way it goes!)
I did read the rest of your post, but I had a hard time understanding what you meant. I think we're very much in agreement?
including Food/Sex/etc. (and there are a lot more too) . . .
hey.. leave my two reamining favorite "drugs" out of this!
lol.
Well, I wish my addictive personality showed an affinity to cleaning the house, doing tasks I do not like and in general, things that are good for me.
I am in that bedroom/computer room and trying to part with books about gardening and landscaping that I know I am never going to make use of again, a bunch of my paralegal textbooks, some books on various topics that I got into during different periods of my life. About a half dozen modems, a tv tuner, all kinds of computer cables. Do not even ask me what is shoved into the various closets in my house.
How do you just let go and get rid of it. I am thinking Ebay, but the cost to ship books is going to be a killer and how to judge the weight? Before vaping I would have sat down and had a couple cigarettes to think about it. Now I am vaping, but at least I am trying to figure out what to do about it and have gotten rid of a few things.
It would be great if ECF had a place where we could swap things other than just vaping material. You know, a Kayfun Lite or 2 for the complete Nero Wolfe mysteries series. Or a few dozen gardening books for some juice. Just a thought.
I am in that bedroom/computer room and trying to part with books about gardening and landscaping that I know I am never going to make use of again, a bunch of my paralegal textbooks, some books on various topics that I got into during different periods of my life. About a half dozen modems, a tv tuner, all kinds of computer cables. Do not even ask me what is shoved into the various closets in my house.
How do you just let go and get rid of it. I am thinking Ebay, but the cost to ship books is going to be a killer and how to judge the weight? Before vaping I would have sat down and had a couple cigarettes to think about it. Now I am vaping, but at least I am trying to figure out what to do about it and have gotten rid of a few things.
It would be great if ECF had a place where we could swap things other than just vaping material. You know, a Kayfun Lite or 2 for the complete Nero Wolfe mysteries series. Or a few dozen gardening books for some juice. Just a thought.
tv tuner.. the box that you hook to your tv from cable provider? or the computer part that you plug into your computer..?
So I go into a local vape shop last night and explain my itaste 3.0 batteries don't last long enough. I want something that'll make it so I can leave the charger and my plethora of batteries at home when I go to work. Person shows me this bazooka length thing that holds this and/or that battery that has x number of hours of capacity, yadda more generic bull crap so speak, yadda like you'd read on an advertisement for Blu or Njoy. Plus batteries, plus charger, total about $130. I thought for a few minutes and said "thanks but I'll just charge my batteries instead for that kind of price and hassle.
Today I go to another local shop that I've dealt with a couple of times and really liked and basically tell them the same thing that I'm tired of carrying a huge carry case around just in case. The lady suggests an mvp and it has everything I need included, $70.
I'm rocking a new mvp , stopped by Dollar General on the way home and found a cell phone case that fits it perfectly that has an elastic loop on the side that holds 1 evod snugly, cost $5. I cut the throw away rubber tip off of an iclear to cover the battery threads where it connects to the tank and it fits just right to keep dust out and the eGo to 510 shall adaptor on the evod keeps that end clean as well as the rubber tip on the inhale end
The mvp actually feels more ergonomic in hand than the itaste batteries do
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Today I go to another local shop that I've dealt with a couple of times and really liked and basically tell them the same thing that I'm tired of carrying a huge carry case around just in case. The lady suggests an mvp and it has everything I need included, $70.
I'm rocking a new mvp , stopped by Dollar General on the way home and found a cell phone case that fits it perfectly that has an elastic loop on the side that holds 1 evod snugly, cost $5. I cut the throw away rubber tip off of an iclear to cover the battery threads where it connects to the tank and it fits just right to keep dust out and the eGo to 510 shall adaptor on the evod keeps that end clean as well as the rubber tip on the inhale end
The mvp actually feels more ergonomic in hand than the itaste batteries do
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a dual TV tuner that you hook up to your computer. Lets you watch or record 2 tv shows on your pc. I think I still have the remote that goes to it. It has the cables I used to hook it up. I paid Dell a lot for it years ago. Probably obsolete now unless you know how to play with that sort of stuff. I used to use it to watch cable tv on my pc. Has ability to use pc like another tv. Have not used it in a few years. It is an external device, not internal board. I think I have one of those in my computer too. My old desk top with xp on it.
Just ordered 15 new flavorings from TFA and sent momma after a new dripper and some Thug Juice at the local b&m. List of flavors in a bit.
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