The Future Of Vaping Is DIY

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

What a strange little thread this has turned into .

I DIY and I use very little nic. I also don't need to vape all the time. Anyone in this position doesn't have to worry about any new government regulations or about starting to smoke again. Anyone who has not moved in this direction yet can attempt to do so in the next couple of years if they chose to. I've seen a number of people do it, sometimes people who once said they would never be able to, or would ever want to reduce their nic consumption. Most of them claimed it was much easier than they thought it would be. I know this won't work for everyone, but it's an option to explore and I think options are good


If liquid nic and good devices are restricted a lot fewer smokers will switch and a lot of current vapers will go back to cigs, or never leave them completely. Sure there will be a black market in nic base, but that will not appeal to nearly as many people as if it were freely available. This is all about limiting choice and collecting money from people with the least effort expended and the most profit made. I would hate to see that mentality win.

But it is no done deal yet. I'll keep supporting CASAA, keep bugging politicians when I can, leave messages where I can, anytime I can do it. If it still goes bad, I'll be one vaper who will still be vaping and as active as I can be. Works for me.

I've got to start learning DIY.

Wait until my wife hears.....she gonna be thrilled
(I already stole her spice cabinet)

However since she's a PhD in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry and works in a research lab I should be able to get my hands on some pretty good gear!
Time to put on my "butter up" face.

 

[DebiK]

I vape, therefor I DIY.
The thought of black market nic makes me cringe. Imagine going blind from bathtub nic like happened with alcohol during Prohibition.
Laws can be amended or passed with a stroke of the pen. If you have an interest that is in the minority, such as vaping, money and media propaganda can have public opinion go into the "I don't care" mode or "You are killing me with that!" (2nd hand smoke hysteria) and non-Big Tobacco or non-Big Pharma nicotine will be illegal to sell/possess...
I probably have enough nick to get me to end of my days. If not I really don't see me having a problem weening myself off of it. Not like the hell I went through with those damn coffin nails!!
Hope for the best but prepare for the worst!!

I agree with all of this! If the worst happens and I end up running low on nic, I would rather wean myself off of it than buy it black market.

 

[crxess]

Been Vaping for 2yrs. Started DIY about a year ago out of interest and disappointment in purchases. The past few months I have been testing my metal by gradually cutting down on my Nic in mixes.
I'm down to 3mg and very comfortable and only using 1mg in my RDA's.

Right now, I am feeling the FDA has no hold on me what so ever. No matter what their end game is, it will not change my life personally.

Still, I continue to do what I can for those it may effect. This is not a time to sit and bicker. It is time to Voice your concerns to thost that have the ability to make a difference.

now to go check my Nic stash...............

Edit: All is Good. Over 1600ml 100mg in the freezers.

 

[klynnn]

I just hope my brand new freezer lasts for a loooooong time. Crap I forgot the N. these computers keyboards are supposed to think for themselves, lol.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

DIY...DIY...

 

[six]

Why. Cause most people dont switch thinking "god, I hope theres something with NO flavour". If there is nothing even tobacco flavored for them (except BT's garbage) then IMO a large percentage of smokers wont bother to try.

"unflavored" does not equal "no flavor". PG has a flavor. VG has a flavor. Nicotine has a flavor. Try some unflavored at whatever your preferred nic level is and you will be surprised by how much of the flavor of your favorite juice comes from the base.

 

[klynnn]

I've been vaping almost 3 years and just tried unflavored. Not too bad, it could become my all day vape if things go south in the future.

 

[rondasherrill]

"unflavored" does not equal "no flavor". PG has a flavor. VG has a flavor. Nicotine has a flavor. Try some unflavored at whatever your preferred nic level is and you will be surprised by how much of the flavor of your favorite juice comes from the base.

I've been vaping unflavored for like a year and a half. It STILL amazes me how people can make that misunderstanding.

Unflavored with a 4% menthol hit is outstanding.(Although whether or not that still counts as unflavored is up for debate)

 

[Mowgli]

I went the DIY route early on, when the guy at the vape store where I was getting my juice decided he hated me, and deliberately messed up my juice. It was the last time I went there. I skipped right on over to Mt. Baker quick like a bunny, and ordered up some flavorings, then I flounced on over to RTS Vapes, and got myself some PG, then I minced on over to Nude Nicotine, got some nic, picked up some VG from Walmart, and I was into it.

I was no longer paying $90 a week for juice but about 8% of that, and I didn't have to put up with that inbred troglodyte at the vape store. I'm good with that!

Flavor West + Essential Depot + RTS, WL, Nude & Heartland = under $125 for my first YEAR of DIY and I like it.

Now it's down to about about 3¢/ml - man I love sales, quantity discounts and coupons

LOL @ inbred troglodyte

 

[DebiK]

For those of you who vape without adding flavor, (didn't want to say "unflavored") what is your favorite ratio of PG/VG for taste?

 

[rondasherrill]

For those of you who vape without adding flavor, (didn't want to say "unflavored") what is your favorite ratio of PG/VG for taste?

I used to vape 50/50, but I did notice once I went to unflavored, I much prefer an 80% VG blend. VG has a sweetness to it that I really like. I would probably go 100%, but in my experience, as little as 20% PG is plenty to prevent issues with setups that don't like super thick juices, and plus a little PG really helps bring out the throat hit.

 

[Towmotor]

"unflavored" does not equal "no flavor". PG has a flavor. VG has a flavor. Nicotine has a flavor. Try some unflavored at whatever your preferred nic level is and you will be surprised by how much of the flavor of your favorite juice comes from the base.

So, are you being deliberately obtuse?? I am aware that PG and VG have flavor. Did you switch from smoking because of the wonderful taste of PG?? Of course you didnt. So why would you expect anyone else to do so???

 

[K31Scout]

I'm in week 2 of DIY and have made 3 decent mixes out of only 5 attempts. I'm not very fussy about flavor I guess or I got lucky. I'm going to try a non flavored 10ml batch of VG with 5% distilled water to thin it and a nicotine content of 10%. At my current consumption rate I can get by on 140mls of nicotine per year.

What I need out of a vape is...
1. Nicotine
2. Throat hit on a mouth to lung drag
3. Enough cloud to blow a smoke ring
4. Good flavor. I will not vape bad flavor but would vape a no flavor or minimal flavor.
5. A PV device that feels good in the hand.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I'm in week 2 of DIY and have made 3 decent mixes out of only 5 attempts. I'm not very fussy about flavor I guess or I got lucky. I'm going to try a non flavored 10ml batch of VG with 5% distilled water to thin it and a nicotine content of 10%. At my current consumption rate I can get by on 140mls of nicotine per year.

What I need out of a vape is...
1. Nicotine
2. Throat hit on a mouth to lung drag
3. Enough cloud to blow a smoke ring
4. Good flavor. I will not vape bad flavor but would vape a no flavor or minimal flavor.
5. A PV device that feels good in the hand.

you might want to do 1-2% ( 10 - 20 mg/ml) on the nic.... 10% = 100mg/ml since 100% nic is approximately 1000mg/ml

 

[K31Scout]

you might want to do 1-2% ( 10 - 20 mg/ml) on the nic.... 10% = 100mg/ml since 100% nic is approximately 1000mg/ml

Thanks Bunnykiller. I meant a 10mg nicotine content. I do use a good DIY calculator and came up with...
1 ml nicotine vg base
8.5 ml VG
.50 ml distilled h2o

 

[Wow1420]

So, are you being deliberately obtuse?? I am aware that PG and VG have flavor. Did you switch from smoking because of the wonderful taste of PG?? Of course you didnt. So why would you expect anyone else to do so???

I vape for the nicotine primarily. I'm sure the ritual and hand to mouth habit plays a role too. In hindsight I wish I never got involved in chasing flavor, since even when I found a really good flavor I tired of it rather quickly.

 

[Bob Chill]

I personally wouldn't buy nic on the black market just like I wouldn't buy random moonshine from an unknown source. A bad batch isn't worth the risk for me.

I have a 7+ year supply already and i have zero worries about flavors going away. The landscape of flavors may change but elimination is not on the table. I'm mostly concerned about those who won't DIY and those who haven't even started the journey yet. As long as bottled unflavored nic is allowed the market will continue to thrive (with greater cost to the end user of course).

The Gov doesn't want to eradicate ecigs. They just want to control it. There's a difference. Even in their foggy 10k' view of the world I'm fairly confident that they understand that eliminating all but tamper proof carts and cigalike batteries is a recipe for disaster. They aren't effective enough.

We all know the path of least resistance is nic base. It's the choke point of the entire industry and the easiest to grab. How they grab it has many scenarios. I think a middle ground between best and worst case is the way to hedge until more guidance comes out. The for and against ecig crowds will likely win some and lose some of the battle.

How each person prepares themselves is up to them. Make a decision and accept the outcome. I made mine months ago. I considered it taking out an insurance policy against worst case scenario. I won't regret it even if nic base free flows at half the cost I already paid.

Right now I'm exploring vendor juice again and not even mixing much because I feel like what is going on today will be called the "good ole days" not too far in the future. And if I'm wrong, I'm still one very happy and satisfied vaper.

 

[Jman8]

you should consider browsing the Legislative and FDA Regulations forums before making assumptions about law and how it can be applied to e-cigs. There are many learned people in there that have spent hours/days/months/years studying these very issues, some of whom are non-smokers/non-vapers. At the very least, there are links to a plethora of information from various governmental agencies and other NGO's that are quite edifying and/or eye-opening.)

I hang out in legislation and news areas of the site and am yet to find cogent argument for all out ban on eCigs/nicotine. Please provide direct link to that which you allude to. Methinks you are referring to 'de facto ban' which would barely be scenario for black market. Heck a black market already exists for vaping as this thread's OP doesn't specify vaping nicotine.

If I were ANTZ, I'd be pleased as punch with the emotional reactions among some/many on this forum. And very happy that an anti-smoking activist is the de facto leader of the counter movement.

If the future of vaping were truly this dismal, why wouldn't a sane person quit vaping (nicotine) or be making solid plans right now to cut nicotine out?

 

[rondasherrill]

So, are you being deliberately obtuse?? I am aware that PG and VG have flavor. Did you switch from smoking because of the wonderful taste of PG?? Of course you didnt. So why would you expect anyone else to do so???

Just speaking for myself here. My very first e-cig was some weird brand from a tobacco shop and it was completely unflavored. I liked it, except the ridiculous 2 hour run time of those cig-a-like batteries and their weak output.

In my experience, THAT is the real hangup of current retail e-cig models that are most commonly known to the regular public. Coming from real cigarettes, with nearly destroyed taste buds, even unflavored is fine to help quitting, as long as the device can give a strong enough output.

 

[K31Scout]

If the future of vaping were truly this dismal, why wouldn't a sane person quit vaping (nicotine) or be making solid plans right now to cut nicotine out?

We all want to party like it's 1999.