The Future Of Vaping Is DIY

[Bob Chill]

The 800lb gorilla question is whether bottled unflavored nic will be permitted or not. If it is, buying online will likely be a thing of the past. It will be stamped and taxed at the State level. B&M purchases only and prices will be jacked.

Personally, I can live with a new era of controlled nic sales as long as unflavored is available in a bottle. I didn't get into vaping to save money. I did it to save my life.

I've been DIY'ing for 10 months now. It's pretty easy but not for everyone. Not everyone likes to cook and not everyone likes to mix their own juice. However, ready to mix flavor concentrate will be really tough to regulate and or eradicate. I can envision a future where you buy your nic base from a local store and then mix your pre-made flavor on your own. Just like mixed drinks. DIY is more complicated that this but ready mixed complex recipes take the tricky part out of DIY.

States are most interested in revenue. They will grab that for sure. It would be a win-win if bottled unflavored nic is permitted after the dust settles. The only sour pill we would have to swallow is cost. Hardly a shock. It's how America rolls.

 

[Mrdaputer]

Yep--Kitchen Nicotine extraction and Bootlegging would become extremely profitable...not to mention many folks would stock up on mass quantities of Nic concentrate prior to any ban just as they did prior to the ban on Freon for air conditioners.

I for one have slowly building up my supplies If I don't buy another thing I am still good to go for a long long time.

 

[JohnnyBGoode]

Main worry would be the nicotine I suppose. The rest is all commonly available and can't easily be banned. Maybe I buy like a few hundred ml the next time. Should keep me covered for years to come. Freeze it in 20 or 30 ml batches , good for 1 ltr of juice. Easy

 

[bluecat]

Current DIYers would obviously stick to it and I am sure many current non DIY vapers would convert with the help of those more experienced. I am afraid tho that the number of smokers converting to vaping would drop to virtually nil.

Why? Unfllavored is still better than what a smoke tastes like. I wasn't particularly fond of the liquid I used when I first switched. In fact it took me almost 2 years to find something I liked. 1 of those years I vaped unflavored.

 

[issy]

I'll definitely DIY. I'm going to order my nic base soon, just to have it on hand. I would think that it would be really tough to outlaw 0mg flavored, and I wouldn't mind vaping unflavored either. When I don't vape, I revert back to ciggies at this point. I don't want to go that route again. I think if everyone had to diy, the number of people switching from smoking to vaping would drop to almost none...which saddens me. I'd love to help others any way that I can!

 

[Towmotor]

Why? Unfllavored is still better than what a smoke tastes like. I wasn't particularly fond of the liquid I used when I first switched. In fact it took me almost 2 years to find something I liked. 1 of those years I vaped unflavored.

Why. Cause most people dont switch thinking "god, I hope theres something with NO flavour". If there is nothing even tobacco flavored for them (except BT's garbage) then IMO a large percentage of smokers wont bother to try.

 

[runitskat]

I wouldn't put in the effort to DIY, I'd just stop vaping. I can live without nicotine now that I've quit smoking. Now if they tried to outlaw caffeine that would be a whole different story.

 

[AshMPWrites]

Way back when I started smoking, they had flavored cigarettes. The first one I ever tried (at a shamefully young age, thank the Heavens that it didn't stick back then) was honey...later, when I was smoking on the regular, and "of age" to smoke, I liked vanilla while my dear friend enjoyed cherry. Then, those were outlawed. They said it enticed kids way to much. I went to menthol full time. I adapted.

I remember the same war being waged not-so-long ago against the wine coolers with Bahama Mama flavors. As if "flavors" are the only motivation for kids getting their sticky paws on things above their pay grade. Ha! If only it were that simple. I think by now history has proven two things:

1. Kids are curious little creatures, they are going to try whatever they want no matter what it tastes like. True, they might like fruity options over beer, they might like cherry over tobacco -- but if they want to drink, if they want to smoke, they're going to do it.

2. If there is a battle to fight, someone is going to fight it. E-cigs, vaping in particular, is snatching precious dollars from Big Tobacco like the low-hanging fruit from a tree. People are changing over (I, myself, have not given them upwards of $100.00 in a little over 11 days and that's just a drop in the bucket -- over my lifetime, we're talking tens upon tens of thousands of dollars). If the predictions are correct, by 2025, there will be more of us then them. They are going on the offense for the first time, rather than the defense per usual. I am not surprised. They're scared. They should be.

I'm not a DYIer when it comes to my juice and maybe this is my naivety speaking, but I would like to believe that a lot of this is fear mongering. That yes, we may see regulations come down the pipeline, and yes, we may not be able to buy nicotine juice online, and yes there will probably be more laws ... but I don't think they can do away with brands all together. I hope I'm not wrong.

 

[AndriaD]

The thing that most concerns me is this idea in America that gov't should "prop up" failing businesses -- like the infamous bail-outs. We're coming to a point where millions of former smokers are now vapers, so obviously BT is feeling the pinch -- and thanks to that INFAMOUS Master Settlement, gov't is feeling that pinch too... So now, they want to "prop up" the soon-to-fail tobacco industry... BY FORCING US TO SMOKE???????????



Andria

 

[Vaslovik]

I went the DIY route early on, when the guy at the vape store where I was getting my juice decided he hated me, and deliberately messed up my juice. It was the last time I went there. I skipped right on over to Mt. Baker quick like a bunny, and ordered up some flavorings, then I flounced on over to RTS Vapes, and got myself some PG, then I minced on over to Nude Nicotine, got some nic, picked up some VG from Walmart, and I was into it.

I was no longer paying $90 a week for juice but about 8% of that, and I didn't have to put up with that inbred troglodyte at the vape store. I'm good with that!

 

[INKYJAY]

WHERE IN ONTARIO CANADA can I buy unflavored nic concentrate????
I really am quite new to this and would love to make my own DIY juice once in a while
any help is super awesome thanks in advance
INKYJAY

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

The 800lb gorilla question is whether bottled unflavored nic will be permitted or not. If it is, buying online will likely be a thing of the past. It will be stamped and taxed at the State level. B&M purchases only and prices will be jacked.

Personally, I can live with a new era of controlled nic sales as long as unflavored is available in a bottle. I didn't get into vaping to save money. I did it to save my life.

I've been DIY'ing for 10 months now. It's pretty easy but not for everyone. Not everyone likes to cook and not everyone likes to mix their own juice. However, ready to mix flavor concentrate will be really tough to regulate and or eradicate. I can envision a future where you buy your nic base from a local store and then mix your pre-made flavor on your own. Just like mixed drinks. DIY is more complicated that this but ready mixed complex recipes take the tricky part out of DIY.

States are most interested in revenue. They will grab that for sure. It would be a win-win if bottled unflavored nic is permitted after the dust settles. The only sour pill we would have to swallow is cost. Hardly a shock. It's how America rolls.

FYI: That ain't water in Phil Busardo's pool.
I'll be headin' east.

 

[WattWick]

Even if flavored liquids where banned, there's nothing stopping anyone from selling "Muffin flavoring mixes" or such. There are already a few manufacturers who sell their flavorings in concentrated form, ready for easy "DIY".

Since vaping is already too big to simply go away, it would be too much of a public health risk to deprive us of the opportunity to buy unflavored nicotine base. ... not that that has ever stopped any ban from happening.

 

[GinnyTx]

~~~~>is working on a nicotine strawberry jello for the vape apocalypse

 

[Towmotor]

WHERE IN ONTARIO CANADA can I buy unflavored nic concentrate????
I really am quite new to this and would love to make my own DIY juice once in a while
any help is super awesome thanks in advance
INKYJAY

I buy my nic at Canvape.com or E-cigsupply.ca. I believe East Coast Vapes sells it too.

 

[zahzoo]

While we sit around contemplating our options waiting for the first shoe to drop at the FDA... I feel very confident that there are enterprising business "operatives" carefully watching as things unfold in the US for the billion dollar e-cigarette market.

If the availability of the base nicotine becomes severely constrained or heavily taxed it will most likely start flowing across our southern borders by the hundreds of gallons within hours of any regulating measures going into effect. The transportation and distribution logistics are already well established and in place. In the short term they won't even have to worry about manufacturing as it can be purchased legally in several countries.

I hope it never comes down to a black-market scenario... but history has shown that to be the logical step in the evolution and business of prohibition.

 

[DebiK]

I started DIY out of necessity after one month of vaping. I can't pay the high cost of commercial juices. I have an ADV already, but need to find more recipes that I love. (have a few that are "meh")

My advice is to stock up on NIC! I also learned to wrap coils early on. I need more practice on that, but I'll get that soon since I am almost out of prebuilt coils.

 

[Lilvapie]

Nicotine can not be "banned" at all. There is no way they can "take away" pv's or mods or ecigs, it is against the law to do so. You should do some more research on law before you make this assumption. I would spill out the specifics of why they could never ban it, {MODERATED}

 

[sonicdsl]

Nicotine can not be "banned" at all. There is no way they can "take away" pv's or mods or ecigs, it is against the law to do so. You should do some more research on law before you make this assumption. I would spill out the specifics of why they could never ban it, {MODERATED}

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Have a great day!

 

[Spencer87]

I think if it is regulated, people will turn to China, and more the Philippines to get juice.