The Hangsen Thread

[Art Mustel]

Some flavors require steeping time; IMHO TFA, FA, FW for instance.
Inawera and Hangsen improve with steeping but they can be used right away, at least I do.

 

[Alter]

Now I hear both sides of the story, yes to added air and no, now I have to go and research it out then decide but probably going to the less air method since so far I have had no floral, alcohol or any other smells in my mixes. I'm assuming the added air is to dissipate the alcohol and other nasty's.
I can't say about shake and vape Hangsen tobaccos but I vape them after a week of steeping and mixing every other day and they are good enough. So far with some of the other fruit, custard and sweet mixes I've made they have to sit especially the custards and some of the fruits. I have shake and vape some custards and fruits and they were kinda flat but after 2 weeks of sitting they became amazingly good.
In my world I like to figure out the parameters of what I'm doing before jumping in without a clue and wasting my time and money.

 

[dannyv45]

You have to understand the difference between airing out and steeping. They are 2 completely different things. Airing out is getting rid of unwanted alcohol. That is done by leaving the cap off the mix for about 24 hours and just letting it sit (Usually after steeping is complete). Steeping is the process of melding all ingredients and allowing a chemical change to happen.

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[Art Mustel]

Guess everyone is different. Many find just made e liquids unvapeable, i never do. To me, they improve with time, but a liquid that I find unvapeable right away will be unvapeable after a month. I think it works good to me (and i only do tobacco flavors). Probably i am wrong or my palate is, but lately i try to avoid whatever flavors that taste bad after mixing. Now, there is where Inawera and hangsen rock, in my opinion, because any mix i do with them is good, and with time they become glorious.

 

[EddieAdams]

Guess everyone is different. Many find just made e liquids unvapeable, i never do. To me, they improve with time, but a liquid that I find unvapeable right away will be unvapeable after a month. I think it works good to me (and i only do tobacco flavors). Probably i am wrong or my palate is, but lately i try to avoid whatever flavors that taste bad after mixing. Now, there is where Inawera and hangsen rock, in my opinion, because any mix i do with them is good, and with time they become glorious.

I agree mostly. There are a few tobaccos that change significantly with time. Generally though if you don't like them initially, time doesn't help.

 

[dannyv45]

I have to also agree. If you can't stand the flavor right after mixing time will not change that. The flavor is either your cup of tea or its not. For instance I don't really like hangsen arabic and others love it. Does that make it a bad flavor...No, Its just not right for me.

 

[Art Mustel]

I have to also agree. If you can't stand the flavor right after mixing time will not change that. The flavor is either your cup of tea or its not. For instance I don't really like hangsen arabic and others love it. Does that make it a bad flavor...No, Its just not right for me.

Same here, Arabic is not bad but I can only vape it occasionally due to that strong curry? flavor or whatever spice it has.

 

[EdT586]

Does a magnetic mixer help mix the juice with air, or does it just shake the liquid? I find air to be critical in steeping; heat alone helps some, but it only goes so far for me.

You can add a hot plate to it as well ...then it will look like a .... lab ! ...LoL

 

[EdT586]

I am looking for some mixing syringes. PG on one side and VG of the other for a 50/50 mix right into the bottle !

 

[Art Mustel]

I am looking for some mixing syringes. PG on one side and VG of the other for a 50/50 mix right into the bottle !

Hmm you could get some epoxy dispensers (but your liquid may taste funny...)

 

[EdT586]

Hmm you could get some epoxy dispensers (but your liquid may taste funny...)

They sell them new !
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[denali_41]

i use to use a fish tank bubbler to steep joose,especially is it was perfumey in smell
it never made changed the nic either

 

[EddieAdams]

Just mix your preferred PG/VG ratio in a separate bottle. Shake well. They'll divide initially. Shake daily and before use. They stop separating after a day or two. Still shake before use...

 

[Exchaner]

i use to use a fish tank bubbler to steep joose,especially is it was perfumey in smell
it never made changed the nic either

A sure way to get your fish hooked on vaping ... Seriously though, other than the perfume taste, does air actually help develop or steep flavors? I have heard conflicting opinions on this. My juices seem to steep faster when stored in an over-sized container with lots of air on top and plenty of shaking.

 

[dannyv45]

Guess everyone is different. Many find just made e liquids unvapeable, i never do. To me, they improve with time, but a liquid that I find unvapeable right away will be unvapeable after a month. I think it works good to me (and i only do tobacco flavors). Probably i am wrong or my palate is, but lately i try to avoid whatever flavors that taste bad after mixing. Now, there is where Inawera and hangsen rock, in my opinion, because any mix i do with them is good, and with time they become glorious.

I certainly agree with you. Many tobacco mixes I can vape right away but then there are some like TFA'S black honey tobacco that have a chemical taste and need to be steeped 4 weeks just to get rid of that taste. But as you said even those that can be vaped with no steeping do improve with age and there are others that fade with age. It all depends on the flavoring.

 

[dannyv45]

A sure way to get your fish hooked on vaping ... Seriously though, other than the perfume taste, does air actually help develop or steep flavors? I have heard conflicting opinions on this. My juices seem to steep faster when stored in an over-sized container with lots of air on top and plenty of shaking.

Air is an oxidining element when combined with Nicotine. So air does play an important part in the steep process but over exposing the mix to air can to quickly ozidize the mix and introduce a harshness to it. So the important part of this is timing. This can be observed by how fast the color changes. If you have a lot of air space you may want to cut down on the amount of time that you steep. Also heat has a lot to do with steeping much like air. The hotter you steep the less time it needs.

 

[denali_41]

i have done what i call hard steeping ,,setting the bottle in water on coffee mug warmer with the bubbler going at the same time , when i have done this inthe past i would do all day ,as in 12 hours for multiple days
but that was mostly with vendor bought juice,but since starting DIY i no longer need to steep anything i make
fruits or tobac no matter.

another point in fact when buying from vendors, most juice has already set on the shelf for an undisclosed amount of time before you bought it,,hyped up hot selling juice is an exception ,but accept that by the time you get a fresh made juice it is already approx 2 weeks old and i have hard steeped some juice for 6 months and still had to trash them because they never tamed down

 

[Exchaner]

but that was mostly with vendor bought juice,but since starting DIY i no longer need to steep anything i make
fruits or tobac no matter.

most juice has already set on the shelf for an undisclosed amount of time before you bought it

Hmmm .... You used to steep juices that were two weeks old, but not a fresh juice that you just made ? How does that figure, unless somehow your habits changed ... BTW, where do you get a bubbler, from a aquarium shop? I need to try this if it's not too complicated.

 

[dannyv45]

i have done what i call hard steeping ,,setting the bottle in water on coffee mug warmer with the bubbler going at the same time , when i have done this inthe past i would do all day ,as in 12 hours for multiple days
but that was mostly with vendor bought juice,but since starting DIY i no longer need to steep anything i make
fruits or tobac no matter.

another point in fact when buying from vendors, most juice has already set on the shelf for an undisclosed amount of time before you bought it,,hyped up hot selling juice is an exception ,but accept that by the time you get a fresh made juice it is already approx 2 weeks old and i have hard steeped some juice for 6 months and still had to trash them because they never tamed down

Do you actually put the air hose in the juice then heat steep it and let the air bubble through the mix. Interesting thats one steeping method I haven't herd before. That's one way to keep the liquid moving. Hows that compare to let say natural steeping or the usual fast steeping methods used here.

 

[Bob Chill]

I've found most HS tobaccos "get right" within a week just sitting quietly on a dark shelf. I'm lazy so that's my preferred method.

I've been "seed" steeping with my big batch ADV's. I mix Desert Ship 120mls at a time. I have a 30ml line on the bottle. When I hit that I just mix 90mls on top of it. I have the 90ml recipe taped to the bottle. It's ready to roll right away.