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Air is an oxidining element when combined with Nicotine.

If you are concerned about nic oxidation, you could always add the Nicotine after you steep. It usually takes a few hours for it to blend into a steeped juice.
 
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I am looking for some mixing syringes. PG on one side and VG of the other for a 50/50 mix right into the bottle !

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If you ever get vg to go into that. It would be a miracle if science.. Or the VG would need to be heated to at least 95°...

I had the large 30ml syringe, even with the tip cut off to be as large as possible it was a serious struggle to get any vg sucked up. But then again it was winter so the VG was thick probably 65°
 
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If you ever get vg to go into that. It would be a miracle if science.. Or the VG would need to be heated to at least 95°...

I had the large 50ml syringe, even with the tip cut off to be as large as possible it was a serious struggle to get any vg sucked up. But then again it was winter so the VG was thick probably 65°

I tried drawing up VG with a 14GA dispenser tip on a 10ml syringe. With a little resistance, but it did slowly draw up just don't force it.
 

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These graduated vials have been a life saver for me. I mix my juices right in them by pouring without a syringe. Since they are not fully graduated, you still have to use a pipette to add odd amounts beyond the graduation marks - far better than using a syringe for the whole amount. They come in many different sizes, and the price is right.

STOCKWELL SCIENTIFIC Transport Vial, w/Blue Cap, 30mL, PK 50 3241 - G4555485 at Zoro
 

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To much air will oxidize the NIC to quickly and cause a harshness. So I would follow the standard practice of steeping and not intentionally try to introduce air into the mix. An electronic stir plate (Magnetic mixer) does not really introduce air into the mix it just stirs. That in combination with heat is a pretty good steep method. I see people using frothers to steep and have to think to myself "'not a great idea to blow air through a mix" but to each his own.

I don't think a lot of air is a good idea either. I'm thinking about how tightly capped perfumes are kept - to keep the top notes from drifting away with the alcohol and leaving only the base notes. So I'm not quite understanding why it would be a good idea to introduce a lot of oxygen to flavor molecules. Why not just uncap the bottle of flavoring as soon as you buy it? or even why alcohol (which may have been added to off-the-shelfs for TH) would be an undesirable element, when alcohol holds flavor better than VG. With 100% VG, without alcohol, what's the flavoring going to bind with?
 

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Hangsen tobaccos will mix with VG no problem and the o es I've tried are not alcohol based. They are net based.

Alcohol doesn't really vaporize at anywhere the same rate as pg/VG. Its volatile.

But me and exchanger like strong th nic. I would do my nic mostly. When I mix hs tobaccos with 100vg I have no troubles vaping them in a very short time.
 

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I'm not sure oxidation is much of a worry when mixing your own stuff. I've vaped juice a year old and can't tell much difference. I don't do sweet anymore but those used to get pretty dark as they aged. HS tobaccos stay basically the same color/flavor for months on end. I keep my 120ml mixes in amber glass on a dark shelf. Plastic does speed up the oxidation process because air can pass through the plastic.
 

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From what I've read Hangsen uses VG as a carrier. Alcohol based flavorings obviously use alcohol. It's just a carrier of the flavor and not part of the flavor. Allowing the alcohol to dissipate/evaporate leaves the flavoring behind in your mix.

Thanks, Eddie. Hangsen uses 'American-made' flavorings in their concentrates, so I'd assume the alcohol is from that. But there wouldn't be much in 1ml of concentrate that's a solution of PG/Vg and alcohol. And wouldn't that mostly just evaporate off as you dripped the liquid into a tank? If you put two open bottles side by side, even if they're a foot apart they will pick up each other's flavor. Just like eliquid left open inside a cedar drawer will pick up some cedar taste. Lighter elements of flavor molecules are being lost and 'room smells' are being absorbed. So how can you then replicate the taste of say, a freshly opened Elder Captain?
 
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well the quote and multi quote don't work for me ,idky

the only time i ever hard to hard steep anything was juice from vendors,my diy HS never needs steeping,i don't care what anybody says it is perfect straight out of the mixer,tobacs or otherwise

the bubbler i used was a plain ol aquarium tank air pump with a pinch valve to control the bubble rate

i one vaped some tasty vapors chocolate brownie 12mg that was 3 years old ,i was almost done with the bottle when i noticed the date

dam good chit maynard :D
 

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I wouldn't even buy it if it had american flavorings. That makes no sense. They have a stars and stripes line, I believe that's what your talking about.. I've never seen it for sale. Its mostly fruit type flavors.. But it also looks like a stupid move for them to try to do that. I don't think it ever took off.

The tobaccos are made in China by hangsen in their extraction facility. Last I knew the tobacco bases and some flavors were extracted by molecular distillation. No solvents needed.
 

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I found it interesting that they claim to have an office in the states now... I can't see it.... what are they counting caterpillar vapes as one of thier offices?!

About Hangsen_Hangsen Holding Co.,Ltd

" Currently our distribution is sold over 80 countries across the globe and three offices locations: China, Poland and United States."
 

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Ok I just tried RY1,RY4,BD and USA all done at 2%. WOW wayyyyyyyy too strong for me. I will half them all except the USA I do not like maple in a baccy at all so that 1 is a done flavoring for me.:confused: Will report back after trying them lower.:thumb: Ok tried them using 1% lol will give them a bit longer as I reused the coils from the stronger ones and it may take a bit to get to the lower amount.:yawn: I believe that any *true* tobacco lover will be pleased with these HS flavorings. I guess I am not a true tobacco lover.:( I will lower them to 0.5% and try again.:cool: Ok I give up I still like this thread but um er HS baccys are too um er strong for me.:cry:
 
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Maybe let them steep beyond a few minutes before deciding if you like them? What ratio pg/vg are you using? They will soften up and background notes will appear after some steeping.

Really like ry1 and ry4....

Pg/vg ratio is everything as far as flavoring percentages....
 
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Ok I just tried RY1,RY4,BD and USA all done at 2%. WOW wayyyyyyyy too strong for me. I will half them all except the USA I do not like maple in a baccy at all so that 1 is a done flavoring for me.:confused: Will report back after trying them lower.:thumb: Ok tried them using 1% lol will give them a bit longer as I reused the coils from the stronger ones and it may take a bit to get to the lower amount.:yawn: I believe that any *true* tobacco lover will be pleased with these HS flavorings. I guess I am not a true tobacco lover.:( I will lower them to 0.5% and try again.:cool: Ok I give up I still like this thread but um er HS baccys are too um er strong for me.:cry:

Don't be afraid to go low!!!

Many vape em at 7+% I stay around 3-3.5 typically..

I just mixed an Arabic at .5% and I must say its really good!

Just keep going down till you like them.. As long as the flavor isn't bad to you just really strong. You may settle even lower than .5%

Just keep diluting it with base, don't remake a new batch.. At least that's how I do it, that way you have the juice presteeped.
 

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Don't be afraid to go low!!!

Many vape em at 7+% I stay around 3-3.5 typically..

I just mixed an Arabic at .5% and I must say its really good!

Just keep going down till you like them.. As long as the flavor isn't bad to you just really strong. You may settle even lower than .5%

Just keep diluting it with base, don't remake a new batch.. At least that's how I do it, that way you have the juice presteeped.

With everyone using different gear, flavor % is a moving target. I've regressed to Aerotanks with simple dual 1.8ohm coils. So my 5-7% is definitely not the same as a subtank/rta/rba user. I have kayfuns and drippers but I just don't mess with them much anymore. I'm a maintenance vaper and not a cloud/flavor chaser. Simple stupid here.

I'm surprised at the 1-2% being too strong though. I've vaped 5% flavor in Kayfuns and never found any HS tobaccos to be overpowering.
 

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Tobacco is an aquired taste so If you have never used tobacco or seldom use it then true tobacco vapes may not be for you at any strength. I am not a drinker so I can't stand alcohol flavored vapes at any strength on it's own or in combination with other flavors. So I will say something I have not said in a long time. Taste is subjective.
 
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