The "JBox" Issue

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I was thinking about this stuff this week. I think you are right about deposits. My other thought is that, this biz is not different from any other.......you simply DO NOT start a business that is under-capitalized. It is the surest way to ruin.

all the classic business advice applies. There are many good newbie books on how to start a biz. Every single one of them will discuss under-capitalization, having enough funds to get you thru a year, etc.

There's a reason for this.;)

In a world of anxious people who "want it now" and "want it first", those rules are being compromised. In which case, I'd say there's inherent risk involved then, both for the business owner and the customers. Risk must be assumed by someone.

This is just business 101----

It kinda reminds me of these young kids who buy a house, and then go thousands and thousands of dollars into debt to fill it up. Back in the day, we sat on lawn chairs in the living room, and went to yard sales, because just paying a mortgage was hard enough, and we got stuff little by little as it became available.

I guess I believe in "building slowly". Seems like a better, stronger foundation.

Everything you say is true. Unless of course the plan was to defraud people. In which case, the business plan was executed to perfection. I was patient and hoped for the best in the beginning. Now I'm willing to accept the truth.
 

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New guy here and prolly no room to interject anything on this subject but................. d... I feel bad for you guys! I couldn't even finish reading all of the thread I was so disgusted. It really kills an idea I had. I love carpentry and woodwork and was considering making myself a wooden case to hold my stuff in and see what people thought about it but judging from this thread, I'm scared to even go there. Why is it that when someone has a passion for something, someone else always seems to tap into that in a negative way. I saw one post that said things like this kills it for the little guy. He was right...
 

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I wouldn't say it "kills" it for the little guy. Just makes people a little more hesitant. I think most of us would still buy stuff from the little guy, just don't get in over your head like Jason obviously did. Don't start selling until you have a few products made. But I better shut up before I get another infraction for talking about "pre-advertisement" stuff. :facepalm: Here's a Monday bump for you guys/gals.

New guy here and prolly no room to interject anything on this subject but................. d... I feel bad for you guys! I couldn't even finish reading all of the thread I was so disgusted. It really kills an idea I had. I love carpentry and woodwork and was considering making myself a wooden case to hold my stuff in and see what people thought about it but judging from this thread, I'm scared to even go there. Why is it that when someone has a passion for something, someone else always seems to tap into that in a negative way. I saw one post that said things like this kills it for the little guy. He was right...
 

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I don't think it's off topic to talk about a reviewer of a product when you are discussing the product. If somebody gives a vendor or seller big props on this site or off this site, I don't see why you can't say that that reviewer is not a good source. But ECF moderators disagree. Reviewers are off limits, go figure. I just won't believe any of them then if I know they are all giving reviews knowing that they can't be called out on it.
 

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I don't think it's off topic to talk about a reviewer of a product when you are discussing the product. If somebody gives a vendor or seller big props on this site or off this site, I don't see why you can't say that that reviewer is not a good source. But ECF moderators disagree. Reviewers are off limits, go figure. I just won't believe any of them then if I know they are all giving reviews knowing that they can't be called out on it.

Since when can't you call out a reviewer? Way back when, I did a review on the VMAX v1 and got crucified for it on here.


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Fazed:8544306 said:
I don't think it's off topic to talk about a reviewer of a product when you are discussing the product. If somebody gives a vendor or seller big props on this site or off this site, I don't see why you can't say that that reviewer is not a good source. But ECF moderators disagree. Reviewers are off limits, go figure. I just won't believe any of them then if I know they are all giving reviews knowing that they can't be called out on it.

Since when can't you call out a reviewer? Way back when, I did a review on the VMAX v1 and got crucified for it on here.


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*grabs nails and wood* now I just need my hammer
 

mikejm

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Since when can't you call out a reviewer? Way back when, I did a review on the VMAX v1 and got crucified for it on here.


Sent from my over priced cellular communication device.

Since I said that that the unmentionalables who gave the J Box such high props, although not necessarily legaly culpable, deserved to have a poor reviewer reputation. Those persons who can never be mentioned in a negative way introduced Jason and his product, all received their product, which of course they paid for and heaven knows are not in any way shape or form responsible for this scam any more than they are responsible for anything they say or write over the internet, and if you have any doubts about that reality, well then doggonit, you should just move on because it is so utterly off topic.

So I won't mention them to you.
 

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I tried to file a paypal dispute. I got this message:
We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly.

It's also showing his paypal as verified so it looks like to me he is still able to use paypal. This is total BS! Guess I'm out my money. :(
 

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Silly question but, you did pay with PayPal right?

I tried to file a paypal dispute. I got this message:
We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly.

It's also showing his paypal as verified so it looks like to me he is still able to use paypal. This is total BS! Guess I'm out my money. :(
 

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With PayPal you can Transfer funds across to another person or entity just as you would from your bank account and it would be viewed as a cash transfer, if no Invoice was directly attached or issued with the transfer PP would not view it as a Retail Transaction for Goods or Services. Mr. JBox found one more way to be Extra slippery.
 

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With PayPal you can Transfer funds across to another person or entity just as you would from your bank account and it would be viewed as a cash transfer, if no Invoice was directly attached or issued with the transfer PP would not view it as a Retail Transaction for Goods or Services. Mr. JBox found one more way to be Extra slippery.
Very slippery. That explains it. :(
 
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