The New & Improved Bottom Feeder Hybrid Atomizer from Vapage.com

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Great review! I sasume you used a 510-510 connector to raise the atty for the drip shield? Did you used a sealed connector or unsealed and would it matter? (I assume it makes no difference). Got my VMOD two days ago (kicked it), loving it. Just ordered atties in all three resistances to try out. Love the 2.0 on my kicked BP with a drip shield.
 

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Ukeman's Opinion: on the Vapage Hybrid Shifu (1.5 Ohm)....

I hope you don't mind AG for me barging in here with my opinion....

I was so surprised at how good the flavor is on these!
Up 'til now I have used Avidvaper's Aero (1.5 only but good cool vape for an LR and one you can use on any 3.7 device) on my bottom feeders; Reo Grand and VMod XL.
They (the Aero) have a smooth draw, full vapor, and close enough of a good flavor, but not quite HH357 standard for flavor.
In other words, I considered them the closest to a 357, and at $12 a pop, that makes them worth it.

Now comes the Shifu Vapage Hybrid.

Up to now, Vapage Hybrid was not one I would even look twice at -- (I've been a Hanna 357 fanboy for a few months and Hanna has revamped my whole outlook on vaping since. I no longer "require a VV" for ultimate vaping; and it's the flavor of the 357 that makes the difference.)

The Vapage Hybrid V1 just didn't measure up imo... although I might not have given them enough of a shot other than the ones that came with the XL and a couple i had acquired a while ago.

I was tipped off by Fernand, vaping guru from the VMod XL thread, that the multiple wraps of the coil of the 357 (along with the Venturi and wicking design) allows the juice to form a solid line of vaporization resulting in (my words) the ultimate in vaping pleasure.
The Aero, on looking at the coil is designed that way, and i figured that because Hanna hand builds his vs. machine build ( i assume) of the Aero, there was the difference in the flavor quality. HH357 score a 10 out of 10. Aero score an 8 out of 10.

Now the Shifu comes along with the same coil design and similar wicking (not sure about the venturi i am NOT a tech guy to say the least), AND a tilted coil (and anything else that skinny did to it).
The flavor was right there!
No off taste that i experienced in breaking in the Aero. The vapor and draw are superb too.
I immediately ordered 4 2paks (50% discount available - that's 50 off of $8.99 ! good grief !).
Nuff said?

I hope they last a good long time, but for almost a third of a HH357, uhh it's almost a non issue (that's how jaded i have become).

I say it's all about flavor, and thank goodness the vapor production and draw are perfect.

* btw, some of us have experienced a tight draw with the XL mod with it's juice chamber and collar design. I have to loosen everything from the atty, the collar, the cone, to make it have not such a tight draw.

the Shifu has like 4 (?) slots at the bottom of the body vs 2 air holes at the upper side of the connector for the Aero, but it performs perfectly on the Reo Grand with it's open drip well.

iMO this should be dealt with by the VMod folks.

So on the Shifu (on the Reo with perfect draw and vapor) it's a 9 in flavor to the 357 10 ... that's just too close to call ( ican't believe I'm saying this).
Bottom line, TOO CLOSE TO CALL FOR NOW... I'm interested in how it all pans out. :)
 

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Ordered some of these myself (same deal with the 50% off) and I have to say I have zero experience with the Aero or 357. I also have to say this atty, so far, is giving me the best vape I've had. Great flavor, great vapor. I'm hoping longevity rates high too, currently testing that lol. I usually use VapeTheRockies Purge through an atty currently in use at least once every other night, but for testing purposes, I might just stop that for my first. My atty experience is unfortunately limited to Joye, the original BF Hybrid that came with my VMod XL, and a couple of Cisco 306's that I decided to try. This one is good enough that I might not need any other atty experince though.
 

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UPDATE: Shifu: Flavor comparison: Joye: 5, Aero: 7, Shifu - 8, HH357 - 10
The vape on the Shifu is imo, actually smoother and more consistent (for a typical vaper) than the 357, but for me its all about Flavor first (but of course good vapor is important). I am glad to have plenty of these Shifu for my bottom feeders and on the run. Still glad I have a stock of HH357's,
- the HH357 flavor is more full bodied.

Ukeman's Opinion: on the Vapage Hybrid Shifu (1.5 Ohm)....

I hope you don't mind AG for me barging in here with my opinion....

I was so surprised at how good the flavor is on these!
Up 'til now I have used Avidvaper's Aero (1.5 only but good cool vape for an LR and one you can use on any 3.7 device) on my bottom feeders; Reo Grand and VMod XL.
They (the Aero) have a smooth draw, full vapor, and close enough of a good flavor, but not quite HH357 standard for flavor.
In other words, I considered them the closest to a 357, and at $12 a pop, that makes them worth it.

Now comes the Shifu Vapage Hybrid.

Up to now, Vapage Hybrid was not one I would even look twice at -- (I've been a Hanna 357 fanboy for a few months and Hanna has revamped my whole outlook on vaping since. I no longer "require a VV" for ultimate vaping; and it's the flavor of the 357 that makes the difference.)

The Vapage Hybrid V1 just didn't measure up imo... although I might not have given them enough of a shot other than the ones that came with the XL and a couple i had acquired a while ago.

I was tipped off by Fernand, vaping guru from the VMod XL thread, that the multiple wraps of the coil of the 357 (along with the Venturi and wicking design) allows the juice to form a solid line of vaporization resulting in (my words) the ultimate in vaping pleasure.
The Aero, on looking at the coil is designed that way, and i figured that because Hanna hand builds his vs. machine build ( i assume) of the Aero, there was the difference in the flavor quality. HH357 score a 10 out of 10. Aero score an 8 out of 10.

Now the Shifu comes along with the same coil design and similar wicking (not sure about the venturi i am NOT a tech guy to say the least), AND a tilted coil (and anything else that skinny did to it).
The flavor was right there!
No off taste that i experienced in breaking in the Aero. The vapor and draw are superb too.
I immediately ordered 4 2paks (50% discount available - that's 50 off of $8.99 ! good grief !).
Nuff said?

I hope they last a good long time, but for almost a third of a HH357, uhh it's almost a non issue (that's how jaded i have become).

I say it's all about flavor, and thank goodness the vapor production and draw are perfect.

* btw, some of us have experienced a tight draw with the XL mod with it's juice chamber and collar design. I have to loosen everything from the atty, the collar, the cone, to make it have not such a tight draw.

the Shifu has like 4 (?) slots at the bottom of the body vs 2 air holes at the upper side of the connector for the Aero, but it performs perfectly on the Reo Grand with it's open drip well.

iMO this should be dealt with by the VMod folks.

So on the Shifu (on the Reo with perfect draw and vapor) it's a 9 in flavor to the 357 10 ... that's just too close to call ( ican't believe I'm saying this).
Bottom line, TOO CLOSE TO CALL FOR NOW... I'm interested in how it all pans out. :)
 

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Got a question about these BY Hybrids and attys in general I suppose. When I was looking into these BF Hybrids specifically, I saw mention that one version had a primer and the other did not. Sorry, I can't recall if the new version or the previous one had the primer.

I have heard it said many times that you should never leave your atty dry after cleaning. Usually this comes up in a discussion about the Cisco attys. I have never seen any one say why though. Do I need to add some pg to these after cleaning to keep them wet or are they ok to leave dry after a PGA soak?
 

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I. the new ones have no primer that i can detect.... the taste is clean. One thing i noticed on the 3 that I have put in play, there is always a pop at the coil. Maybe because i didn't put enough juice in at first, but if you accidentally fire it without juice (not good) there is a pop. I worried but apparantly no harm.

2. I think it's done to protect the coil, but some vendors (like for the Shifu, and even AVA) use NO primer at all. so its a toss up.
Got a question about these BY Hybrids and attys in general I suppose. When I was looking into these BF Hybrids specifically, I saw mention that one version had a primer and the other did not. Sorry, I can't recall if the new version or the previous one had the primer.

I have heard it said many times that you should never leave your atty dry after cleaning. Usually this comes up in a discussion about the Cisco attys. I have never seen any one say why though. Do I need to add some pg to these after cleaning to keep them wet or are they ok to leave dry after a PGA soak?
 

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Got a question about these BY Hybrids and attys in general I suppose. When I was looking into these BF Hybrids specifically, I saw mention that one version had a primer and the other did not. Sorry, I can't recall if the new version or the previous one had the primer.

I have heard it said many times that you should never leave your atty dry after cleaning. Usually this comes up in a discussion about the Cisco attys. I have never seen any one say why though. Do I need to add some pg to these after cleaning to keep them wet or are they ok to leave dry after a PGA soak?

Rat, I also don't know precisely why, but I have seen manufacturers recommend over and over to keep a clean atomizer moist with a bit of PG. I believe it helps to allow your atomizer to live a longer life, due to coil dryness which leads to coil degradation. At least so I think! :)
 

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I bought a Kick for my XL, and hadn't had a chance to install it yet. Now with the 1.5 Shi Fu, I'm wondering why I bought the Kick.
That's been my point... the Shifu is a new generation of atomizer design and it's about time.
IMO the kick, while great, is another VV accessory; part of the power delivery equation which imo is way ahead of atomizer innovation.

As far as I'm concerned, the new hybrid atomizers are exactly what we've been waiting for, especially the 1.5 Ohm, which is a cooler vape than most conventional 1.5 attys imo, and will kick .... on a 3.7 device.
 
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