it actually depends on the mass of the coil.a single turn of 30 gauge kenthal is sub-ohm and would heat up very rapidly.20 turns of 26 gauge is high resistance and may not get warm enough to vape with. my protank has a 2 ohm coil and heats up very rapidly. but my orchid with dual 1.3 ohm coils take 2 or 3 seconds to warm up. my subtank has a single 0.75 ohm coil and heats up rapidly. the different between the tanks is the heat flux of the coil used
Things I still don't get - tootle puffer, sub-ohm, and ANTZ!
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I still wonder how long it will take for people to realize that the resistance has nothing to do with how fast or slow a coil heats up.
SubOhm nowadays has not really anything to do with the actual resistance, it's a synonym for high Watt high volume (direct lung hit) vaping.
There is no magical barrier that makes a 0,9 Ohm coil much different from a 1,0.
SubOhm nowadays has not really anything to do with the actual resistance, it's a synonym for high Watt high volume (direct lung hit) vaping.
There is no magical barrier that makes a 0,9 Ohm coil much different from a 1,0.
The names serve a purpose in some regard to distinguish the style of vaping we are associated with. It's when they are used and have a derisive connotation attached to them that generates a problem.
I'm an amateur astronomer and inside that community there are many branches that people choose to pursue the avocation. Some are content with a lawn chair and a pair of 7X50 binoculars while others have more invested in their astro-imaging setup than most people will pay for a new car. And there's a lot of stuff that falls into groups in between those. Different strokes for different folks.
If you choose to be a Tootle Puffer, Mod Whomper or Cloud Chaser, that's your choice and your right. I will totally respect you and your avenue of vaping style. Right up until you tell me I'm wrong for mine because yours is "Better".
Correct. I was generalizing, as most sub-ohm coils are made of lower gauge wires. A single-turn 30g coil wouldn't provide enough surface area for proper vaporization.
And then there are complex multi-coil and twisted-wire coils.If you're using a foot of wire per coil, you're doing something wrong
Unless you're doing multi wire coils of course.
The names are just fun and games, but a lot of vapers have found it useful to be able to identify others who vape the same way that they do, so they know where to ask questions.
btw modwompers can chuck clouds AND stealth vape
Actually, I don't like those terms very much myself. It started as a joke between Croak and me and then it just took off. It bothers a lot of people and confuses new vapers--as evidenced by this thread's OP. Seriously, the real distinction, IMHO, is between the mouth-to-lung, usually lower-wattage and somewhat restricted-airflow style of vaping (closer to the way we used to smoke) and the direct-lung, high wattage, big-air style.
That said, many vapers often switch from one style to the other, or some in-between variation/hybrid of the two, depending on their mood or need. I've tried both styles myself, at different configurations, wattages, amount of airflow, etc., but my sweet spot is always mouth-to-lung, low(ish) wattages, moderate air.
You're right, that should have read "the names SHOULD be just fun and games."
Actually, I don't like those terms very much myself. It started as a joke between Croak and me and then it just took off. It bothers a lot of people and confuses new vapers--as evidenced by this thread's OP. Seriously, the real distinction, IMHO, is between the mouth-to-lung, usually lower-wattage and somewhat restricted-airflow style of vaping (closer to the way we used to smoke) and the direct-lung, high wattage, big-air style.
That said, many vapers often switch from one style to the other, or some in-between variation/hybrid of the two, depending on their mood or need. I've tried both styles myself, at different configurations, wattages, amount of airflow, etc., but my sweet spot is always mouth-to-lung, low(ish) wattages, moderate air.
Some people take it way too seriously. I think it's helpful to know where to go when you have a question about A) a 1.8 ohm tank on a low wattage mod, B) vaping 18mg nic at 25 watts, or C) running dual claptons at 120 watts. Not that you couldn't just ask in relevant sub forums, but they're also fun threads to hang out in. I know I used to get tired of explaining that high nic, low resistance/high wattage vaping is a viable choice.
This I think is wrong and the very heart of the matter.
At this point I think vaping is still mostly ex-smokers. That may not always be the case but for now I think it is.
Ecigs have only been around a few years and I'd guess most smokers danced around them in one way or another. Lets say 2+ years ago a smoker tried an ecig and it worked, this is likely a tootle smoker.
A tootle smoker?? A tootle smoker could be many things, Lights, Ultra Lights or somebody who actually used a lighter to light each cigarette. And a number of other things. Lights for example require a massive sucking motion to get a tiny puff of smoke, they just gave me a massive headache. If I bummed a Light I'd snap the filter off.
So to these people ecigs may have felt like how they smoked.
But to me and others its was nothing at all like smoking.
And vaping continued to evolve to the point that smokers like me can now use it as a effective stop smoking aid. I attacked each cigarette like it owed me money. I used my lighter maybe 3-4 times a day to polish off 2-4 packs a day. It wasn't uncommon for other smokers to tell me I needed to slow down. No soft gentle tootle off an ecig was gonna get me to quit.
So alot needed to happen. And because enough people cared enough to keep moving forward there is now enough vaping gear to get most anyone a way to "vape the way they smoked".
I'll close with a short story. The last week or so I've had a kid working for me, prolly early 30's I'd guess. Heavy smoker. Rez cigs, boy I remember those nasty things all to well. He's been watching me vape, maybe jelly that I don't have to go outside for a smoke (I don't let him or anyone else smoke in the house). So last night he made the opening move towards vaping. Well thats right in my wheel house. So I set up a Nautilus on a DNA30 at 15w with some 12mg. He took right to it, I was pretty impressed. He used it for abit and handed it back saying it wasn't his thing, gotta suck to hard and nothing really comes out. On a whim I handed him my Steam Engine tank on a DNA 200 at 50w with my 6mh high VG juice. I warned him it might be alot at first so be warned. Well he took a whack off that and right before my eyes a new vaper was born. With his pay I'm gonna set him up with a STM and a mod.
I understand people like to talk with like minded vapers so they want/need to identify with a group,hence the names.Its just easier when talking about gear, techniques or whatever.
But I'm sorry tootle puffer sounds like a 90 year old lady out on the front porch on a rocker drinking herbal tea and mod whomper sounds like someone beating people with a mod stuffed into a sock
sub ohm also incorrectly has become HIGH WATTAGE,which is not always true as I sit here typing and vaping a 200 watt device set to 30 watts with a 0.5ohm coil
But I'm sorry tootle puffer sounds like a 90 year old lady out on the front porch on a rocker drinking herbal tea and mod whomper sounds like someone beating people with a mod stuffed into a sock
sub ohm also incorrectly has become HIGH WATTAGE,which is not always true as I sit here typing and vaping a 200 watt device set to 30 watts with a 0.5ohm coil
More than anything else, the terms are simply a way to have a little fun. We're all just vapers.
I'm one of those confirmed tootle puffers that just starts stuttering if I try to say "clouds bro"
Oh and, I would point out that the 3 ohm coil in a cartomizer heats up fast, and only need about 7 watts to do it.
I'm one of those confirmed tootle puffers that just starts stuttering if I try to say "clouds bro"
Oh and, I would point out that the 3 ohm coil in a cartomizer heats up fast, and only need about 7 watts to do it.
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I've got a set of 2x28/32 fused claptons in one of my Mutations. At 40 watts there is noticeable ramp up time. At 80 watts it's much shorter. At 120 watts vapor comes about as fast as any regular old 28ga slick wire .5 coil... but it's too hot to vapeCorrect. I was generalizing, as most sub-ohm coils are made of lower gauge wires. A single-turn 30g coil wouldn't provide enough surface area for proper vaporization.
The funny thing about "cause cloudz bro" is the average tootle puffer says it 100+ times a day while nobody else ever says it at all unless joking around with a tootle puffer.
For example I have never once said those words out loud one single time in my entire life. Nor have I ever once heard them spoken once. Like ever dude.
For example I have never once said those words out loud one single time in my entire life. Nor have I ever once heard them spoken once. Like ever dude.
Well said, Kat. I agree. The real difference is MTL or direct lung. You can't blow cloud MTL, but subohming is perfectly possible and some people like it. The actual issue is airflow volume through the topper. MTLers like a tighter draw, mimicking that of a cigarette. Direct lung folks prefer a more open atomizer so it doesn't feel like trying to breathe through a bar straw. All else descends from this. Airflow controls the upper and lower limits of the vapor production you want from the coils, which tells you what coils to build and what watts to put on them.
Actually, I don't like those terms very much myself. It started as a joke between Croak and me and then it just took off. It bothers a lot of people and confuses new vapers--as evidenced by this thread's OP. Seriously, the real distinction, IMHO, is between the mouth-to-lung, usually lower-wattage and somewhat restricted-airflow style of vaping (closer to the way we used to smoke) and the direct-lung, high wattage, big-air style.
That said, many vapers often switch from one style to the other, or some in-between variation/hybrid of the two, depending on their mood or need. I've tried both styles myself, at different configurations, wattages, amount of airflow, etc., but my sweet spot is always mouth-to-lung, low(ish) wattages, moderate air.
That is pretty much how it went for me, I started with a Nautilus and a VV/VW mod and it was okay but I kept smoking. Shortly after that I got my first Reo/RM4 and dropped a dual coil in it at about .5. After my first puff on it I audibly said,"Now that is what I'm talking about!" And have never looked back.
I was the smoker that other smokers would grief about how many I would light up in a short period of time. So for me it took that extra bit of vapor and nicotine to be successful.
Everyone knew at break time you don't talk to Sean. He's got maybe 10 minutes and he's gotta get 4-5 cigarettes in or he's gonna snap.
Now I just take a whack off my subohm and I can laugh and joke with the guys. Turns out I'm not a bad guy I'm just a bad nicotine addict and I got a short time to get in alot of nic and no tootle puffer is gonna keep the system firering on all 8.
When I'm not in a rush I o switch to a tootle puffer set up with high nic juice. If I have time to vape I vape and if its gonna be lotta I have to back off. A Nautuilus/ Kabuki/Triton Mini with on a Provari with some 12mg I can hit on all day with no effects.
I guess I go both ways.
lol! Yup that was me if I hadn't smoked in awhile and got a break at the very least I'm smoking two, four would be better though.
ROFL
I take 10 minute brakes from vapin.
I still gotta work afew more years. So having others control my addictions is a fact of life.
If I vape when I retire, which I don't plan to but ya never know I planned on smoking til I dies, but if I'm still vaping I'm prolly be mostly a tootle puffer. 16 hours a day of non-stop vaping on my currently favorite setup would kill me. Thats a lot of nicotine brother. I'll slow down like I do now on vactions and days off. I have a relaxing weekend planned and I'll most likely tootle along on my 2.5 Mini with Triton Mini and some 12mg. I'll be hitting it pretty much non-stop so I gotta go easy.
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