Tidy happenings

[Briar]

OK, so this little BC has great flavor, great wicking, is put together in an interesting way: the wicks are pointing up (actually, I'm not even sure there are any wick - all I see is holes with some kind of stuff in them). And the power range for it is nothing less than spectacular.

A couple of minor problems: it spits like crazy and the mouth end gets really hot. But it will take the ceramic drip tip. Of course it won't fit under the iTaste cap with the drip tip on, but, like I said, that's minor, I can vape it without the tip and just be careful.

More serious problem: it dumps. All of mine, except for the one that came DOA, dumped. Not instantly, but anywhere between half way into the second fill and third fill. Not the first though. I can't figure out why or how to fix it so far. I've done a couple of things, but I'm no expert on BCs - up until now I haven't like them. But this thing would be a treasure if it just wouldn't dump...

So what' s happening with yours?

 

[yiddleboge6]

The first one was fine, all the rest are dumping and I can't decide why. Have filled right side up, upside down. syringe and needle, needle cap bottle, filled all the way, filled less. Took them apart and can't see what else to do. Thought maybe the seal needed to be pushed onto the post a little more, but that didn't work either.

 

[Briar]

I was thinking that maybe the blunt needle was making too big of a hole in the seal, and re-filled it by taking the seal out and then putting it back on. Very tightly. And it still dumped on me half-way through.

I'm hoping someone comes up with something...

 

[yiddleboge6]

I'm really wondering what kind of adjustments we could make. I can't get the center post loose, can you? Wondering what we need to do when it's time for a dry burn as everything is hidden

 

[Briar]

I'm really wondering what kind of adjustments we could make. I can't get the center post loose, can you? Wondering what we need to do when it's time for a dry burn as everything is hidden

No, I can't get to the actual atty either... But that wouldn't be a problem necessarily if the thing didn't keep dumping - there are other ways of cleaning that can keep the coils going for awhile.

Chris said his didn't dump, so I'm hoping he'd pop up and let us know what he is doing.

The only thing we can really fiddle with is the seal, and I just had another idea about that - will come back after a nap and try it...

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

This sounds similar to the bc that disappeared recently and I think it was raised from the ashes and called Pheonix. I could be wrong. I wonder what changes were made to make it work?

 

[yiddleboge6]

The only similarity between this and phoenix is that it's a bc

 

[harmonic]

perhaps he is thinking of the vortex cartos

 

[yiddleboge6]

I've never had a vortex. Are they put together the same as the tidy?

 

[harmonic]

i never had a tidy so idk
the vortex was constructed the same way as the nova heads and stardust are where the coil leads just slipped on either side of the center pin gasket and a plastic center air tube similar the the metal one in the phoenix went over the top of the atty. would have been a similar procedure as nova and stardust to recoil and rewick them which i never understood why nobody made a big fuss about that then. personally i am not too good at coils and could not get them to not leak. but they also didnt have a permanent seal so the seal was made with the mp and if the wick wasn't just right it wouldn't hold the vacuum properly. too much fussing for me i gave up. the couple that i put in *sealed* tanks worked ok but it was a big pain to refill them...

 

[poppabear49]

Having the same problems. The first fill dumped completely even before i got it on the adaptor, the first fill was upright. next fill was upside down like the phoenix but when i turned it upright started dripping again until I placed the end plug back on, maybe sealed the filler hole creating a better vacuum. Anyway vaped the entire thing no problem, next fill same thing leaked everywhere, left a little airspace on fill next and replaced the plug and has worked fine. Wondering if it might be the blunt tip from the Phoenix pack is the problem, creating too big of a hole. Going to try a sharp tip next and will let everyone know how it goes. Other than the leaks from filling it seems to be a cart, good flav and vape.

 

[poppabear49]

Well just tried filling with a sharp needle, got a couple of small drips when filling upside down but no leakage when I turned it upright. Seems to be vaping fine too. Maybe just a good cart or maybe some luck time will tell on the second fill. Take care till then

 

[awf40]

I like the name of the thread LOL.. Ok so here goes.. I refilled mine again since I last posted.. I have been taking the top seal out & fill with bottle. I have not filled it right up to top the last 2 times.. Leaving a bit of a space & than using my drip tip to push the seal back in place.. My last fill I did it 2 hrs ago & have it sitting straight up on counter. Charging my spare battery right now & so far its not leaking at all..

My very first 2 fills I used the needle that came with the phoenic bc & it all dumped out.. I did notice that when I take the top seal out to refill that the hole is sealed up from using the needle twice..

Also I took 1 apart this morning cause I had to see how it works.. U can take the tube off easy. The little medal tub sticking up is in there pretty tight. Its very easy to bend too. I manged to pull it out but like I said its real easy to bend.. The 2 holes at the bottom on each side is where the wick is.. I pulled the other connector off & that is where the wick & coil is.. So not a good idea to pull that off as u would never at least I don't think get the wick back through the holes.. Had to tug it pretty hard with pliers to get it off.. So will be a little hard to see the coils when u need to do a dry burn..

 

[Briar]

Hm. Last time I refilled, I didn't use the syringe, I took out the plug, and then put it back in very quickly - all on the assumptions that putting a largish hole into the plug while filling it was disturbing the vacuum and making it dump. However, after the first few drags, it dumped anyway.

However, I didn't leave a bit of space, it got filled completely. Will try leaving a little space now.

 

[Briar]

Yeah, the tube comes off real easy. Hardly have to wiggle it. And I'm wondering if that maybe a part of the problem - though if air was getting in that way, we'd see bubbles, won't we...

I don't think dry burning this is a good idea. You can't see the coil, and, like you pointed out, it's obviously not meant to be taken apart. I couldn't get it apart at all, even with pliers. And the center metal air tube is so thin, I didn't dare grab it too hard, I thought it would either bend or collapse on me. So I gave up.

We can clean it without dry burning though, that's not a huge problem unless I vape a syrup.

I just did another refill without a syringe, pushed the plug in real tight, the metal tube has come though the center hole of the plug, and I left some space over the liquid when I filled. It's sitting vertically now, seeping just a tad from the bottom, which could be leftover from filling. 10 mins, no dumpage yet.

I'll vape it for a bit, and then let it sit again.

I like the name of the thread LOL.. Ok so here goes.. I refilled mine again since I last posted.. I have been taking the top seal out & fill with bottle. I have not filled it right up to top the last 2 times.. Leaving a bit of a space & than using my drip tip to push the seal back in place.. My last fill I did it 2 hrs ago & have it sitting straight up on counter. Charging my spare battery right now & so far its not leaking at all..

My very first 2 fills I used the needle that came with the phoenic bc & it all dumped out.. I did notice that when I take the top seal out to refill that the hole is sealed up from using the needle twice..

Also I took 1 apart this morning cause I had to see how it works.. U can take the tube off easy. The little medal tub sticking up is in there pretty tight. Its very easy to bend too. I manged to pull it out but like I said its real easy to bend.. The 2 holes at the bottom on each side is where the wick is.. I pulled the other connector off & that is where the wick & coil is.. So not a good idea to pull that off as u would never at least I don't think get the wick back through the holes.. Had to tug it pretty hard with pliers to get it off.. So will be a little hard to see the coils when u need to do a dry burn..

 

[Briar]

Dumpage again.

OK, one last thing to try that I can think of. There is a tiny hole on the side of the plug - not the fill hole... I'm wondering if sealing that somehow would help.

 

[rdsok]

Just a quick tip...

If you are testing for dumps/leaks etc while the item is standing up...

Clean up a small shot glass or clear plastic coin tube really good and place whatever you are testing into it... it should catch any juice you may loose so you can still use it. Whatever you use should be small enough that it can hold the item being tested upright and not allow it to fall over

I'm not certain what to suggest for testing while laying them on their side though....

I used this method when I was testing the Cryptonite 8 out... it was a bit intermittantly dumping without much rhyme or reason though.

 

[yiddleboge6]

Dumpage again.

OK, one last thing to try that I can think of. There is a tiny hole on the side of the plug - not the fill hole... I'm wondering if sealing that somehow would help.

I noticed that tiny hole too. Wonder what the purpose of that is?!!

 

[awf40]

Yes I see that too its over on the 1 side.. That hole is the opp side of the fill hole... U maybe right on that.. I let mine sit for like 3 hrs not vaping filled but not full. I had it standing straight up on counter the whole time.. No leaking.. When I put it on & started vaping it I was getting dry hits.. It was not wicking very good.. Than it gurled after lol starting leaking a bit out of battery, than started hitting good.. The only thing I can think of right now is trying to maybe change the top seal to something else.. I got lots of stuff here.. Going to look & see if I can find something close to this seal tomorrow.. Below is pic of how much I filled it with no leaking while it sat for like 3 hrs...

 

[Briar]

Great minds think alike: that is exactly what I do! I've got a Tidy sitting in a shot glass right now - sadly, the glass has juice in it, and the Tidy doesn't.

Just a quick tip...

If you are testing for dumps/leaks etc while the item is standing up...

Clean up a small shot glass or clear plastic coin tube really good and place whatever you are testing into it... it should catch any juice you may loose so you can still use it. Whatever you use should be small enough that it can hold the item being tested upright and not allow it to fall over

I'm not certain what to suggest for testing while laying them on their side though....

I used this method when I was testing the Cryptonite 8 out... it was a bit intermittantly dumping without much rhyme or reason though.