To all my ecf brothers and sisters.....please read.

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Darrigaaz

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Refusing to admit there might be a health hazard, even if it's a remote chance, is nothing but selfish .. I can name off, and so can many of the other members of this forum, a long list of things that were once thought safe, only to be discovered later to be harmful .. and an analog cig is one of them .. stating anything different is just plain wrong ..

Who here has said there is no health hazard? What are you even trying to debate? Many people here believe it is a SAFER alternative to smoking, not that it's completely SAFE.

What would you have us (community) do? Completely stop the use of ecigs in public? Give off the impression these things are harmful and deserve to be banned?
 

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@Darrigaaz .. my post is reality .. if you honestly believe otherwise, and that mono on mono is going to sway the public, hey, go for it ..

And yes, things are pretty well black and white when it comes to this issue .. how about this for a newsflash .. ?? .. So many want to change the publics mind, yet so many fear a nation wide awareness campaign .. ?? Why is that .. ??

Next .. if you feel the need to attack my posts, why not just ignore them .. ??
I am not alone in my way of thinking .. the difference is, I'm not afraid to put it bluntly .. sometimes, the voice of reason hurts ..

Ahhh, I finally understand.

You got me. I admit it. I've been trolled. There's no other explanation for it now.

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Who here has said there is no health hazard? What are you even trying to debate? Many people here believe it is a SAFER alternative to smoking, not that it's completely SAFE.

What would you have us (community) do? Completely stop the use of ecigs in public? Give off the impression these things are harmful and deserve to be banned?

So, the posters that state "I'll whip my PV out anywhere and everywhere" are just my imagination ..

As well, you seem to like to read into my posts .. there is nothing to read into .. and, since you are speculating, your speculation is wrong .. never have I stated the tech should be banned .. don't try to ammend what actually been said ..

Now, if you are against a Nationwide campaign to educate the public, why don't you actually debate that point instead of the hyperbole and rhetoric you are offering up .. ??

Let it be perfectly clear, I am FOR the e-cig .. I just think we are going about getting public acceptance the wrong way .. now, if that's not understandable .. ??
 

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Ahhh, I finally understand.

You got me. I admit it. I've been trolled. There's no other explanation for it now.

/golfclap

I knew you'd whip that out eventually .. why .. ?? Because you don't want a real debate .. that's true of many on this forum .. And so, I'll tell you this .. when the real debate starts, in the legislation, with the FDA .. with the public at large, none of you will be ready for it because you can't handle it here without an emotional response ..
 

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So let me get this straight... we're supposed to passively accept whatever restrictions those who have absolutely no clue about e-cigs impose on us, and feel lucky that a few places might be magnanimous enough to allow us to vape? I don't think so.

There is already far too much misinformation being pushed by entities that have very much to lose by widespread acceptance of e-cigs as a viable and safe alternative to smoking. The more we accept it, the more e-cigs and vaping will be lumped together by default with smoking, and be subjected to the same bans and restrictions. These entites claim repeatedly that there has been no testing done, intentionally ignoring the testing that has been done.

We don't require everything we come in contact with every day to be tested for absolute safety. We may not know that e-cig vapor is 100% safe, but there is very good evidence that suggests very strongly that it is. Vaporized PG has been subjected to testing going back to the 1940s, and is considered safe. It's also considered safe in heavier concentrations as occurs when used for theatrical fog.

Testing also indicates that the amount of residual nicotine left in exhaled vapor is quite low. Further, vapor dissipates quickly; it doesn't linger in the air like smoke, so it is highly unlikely that there would be enough to even be detected in the inhaled air of someone who is in the vicinity of someone vaping, let alone enough to cause problems for anyone not vaping.

I was tired of being an outcast when I smoked. I'm not going to accept it being a vaper, period.
 

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I refuse to compare my vaping habit to smoking. Its not the same and I will never treat it the same. In my eyes, vaping is harmless to me and others. I will vape where I want until its proven NOT SAFE.

Um, ah, wouldn't it then be too late?

Wouldn't it make sense to vape openly, within breathing range of others AFTER it's been proven safe?
 

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Can I get clarification on that?

Do you mean that you don't care about the situation of others, and if it turns out to be unsafe for "2nd hand breathers", oh well, too bad so sad?

I feel that with what I have been told about what is in my Vapor Stick, I myself feel that it is harmless. I vape in my home as well as everywhere else. I vape in front of my Kids, my kids grand parents, and I vape in front of my nephews while their mother smokes her menthol anologs.
 

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I feel that with what I have been told about what is in my Vapor Stick, I myself feel that it is harmless. I vape in my home as well as everywhere else. I vape in front of my Kids, my kids grand parents, and I vape in front of my nephews while their mother smokes her menthol anologs.

Yeah, I just disagree.

I have 4 boys, and would not even think about vaping in front of them. I don't want them growing up to be Vapers or smokers.
 

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I disagree. I'm not a smoker so why should I follow smoking bans? I won't and never will. I DON'T SMOKE!

If they don't like it, I don't need to go there and buy their coffee.

WTH? I'm TRYING NOT to be a smoker. So now, the "Vapors'" are telling me I can't vape where I used to be able to smoke??? (bar's, restaurants, etc.) Well, what am I doing??? I might as well just toss all of this "vaping" stuff (and I have spent a Boatload of MONEY on Vaping!) and just go buy a pack of cigs and go back to going 'outside' for my nic fix.......GEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!:?:
 

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Wow, well first of, I'm very glad to hear all the responses from so many members here and I respect everyone's opinions and I'm glad to say to most of the post are still on topic. My official stance is I won't vape where they've asked me not to, if they don't have a problem with it then I will. If they so no, I won't act a fool, I would respectfully say I understand and go. I will educate analog users about PV's, even if I don't feel like explaining my habit everytime I go outside, because I know it's for the good of someone and I will not utter the words "It's 100% safe."
Thank you all for taking your time to read my little post and take out more of your time to give a response. Thanks everyone.
 

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Btw it would be fairly inexpensive to do an awareness campaign for e-cigs. Google tv commercials are going to be affordable for small businesses, check it out herehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peqnSTBnTVk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Think of this along the same lines as the "just ask me" mattress commercial.

A middle aged man says "I didn't want to smell like an ashtray" with children running around him.

A nurse in scrubs says "my job has a no smoking policy"

Twenty somethings sitting at a bar say "we couldn't smoke at our favorite hangouts anymore"

Shows each different group of people happily vaping...

Flash to company name and info

It's ambiguous enough to not get into trouble.... But makes an impact to the uninformed



Sent from my Evo
 
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A real debate requires that the topic be the debate point .. comparing hamburgers, coffee and what not is not really fair .. as 1) They do not disperse nicotine 2) Food is a required part of life, smoking or e-cig use is optional and a personal choice ..

These comparisons are called rationalization .. and folks tend to use them liberally to defend their own actions ..

I.E. It's OK for me to do this because it's no worse / better than (fill in the blank) ..

I love this Forum ..
 
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