To all my ecf brothers and sisters.....please read.
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I don't think so. What makes them comparable is they both contain nicotine derivative from the tobacco plant. And in appearance, the inhalation looks the same. I think that's the where it begins and ends when it comes to similarities between the two.
But.. I think the side of lifting the ban off ecigarettes use at Starbucks is harmless. It's just a group of people, like any other group of people, interested in an idea, with the freedom to speak out about the idea. There is no political voice or funding for this group so forums like these are all people who believe in vaping have at the moment.
Personally, I vape like I used to smoke, courteously. I don't hide it when I'm outdoors, and I'm not making a scene for attention when I'm vaping indoors. I just simply act like it's normal and nobody thinks anything of it. I've seen a few people with a confused look on their face, but they probably assumed I was smoking, cause of the similarity of the exhale between the two.
Before this turns into a novel, I'll note that while I don't have 100% guaranteed evidence that second-hand vape is completely harmless, common sense tells me that shortly after the hit dissipates, it's probably not anymore harmful than anything else your breathing in normally. The few reputable studies that have been done so far support this common sense theory. I don't go blowing it in people's faces anyway, or even their direction. I don't think the majority of vapers would do that either. Those that would should be removed for harassment, not vaping.
Everyone has the right to an opinion though.
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Personally, I have never disagreed about the necessity of studies. Here's one that could use some contributions:
IVAQS Project
Is it possible to ban AFTER proper studies are done (assuming they show dangers) and not before?
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Who said that vaping is absolutely nothing like smoking? It obviously mimics smoking; that's the whole point. If it didn't, it wouldn't work. The point is that most people who have converted to vaping are no longer smoking. It doesn't matter what they might do if vaping was banned - that's supposition and it's completely irrelevant.
If a recovering alcoholic drinks fake beer (O'Doul's?) and you suspect that if the fake beer was pulled from the market, the person will start drinking real beer again... your faulty conclusion is that the O'Doul's is really beer. It is not.
O'Douls most certainly is beer, it just has very little alcohol content. Many states regulate it the same as Heineken and Budweiser. Simulated drinking is exactly the same as simulated smoking, unless your contention is that 0 nic juice isn't really vaping, and IF a recovering alcoholic was using it as "Alcohol Replacement Therapy", just as many of us are using a PV as NRT than Levitas' point is well made if a bit exagerated. I do not agree with his opinion (which he is entitled to have and express) that most would go back to smoking, but a measurable percentage would indeed return to death sticks.
And as a side note
Starbucks, drink Dunkin.
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The IVAQS Project will be conducted by Change which happens to be a Veteran owned business! I'm limited this month, but I will be donating to them next month.
So, are you sure that the nicotine in the vapor is not getting into other peoples lungs? I'm not! If people say no then you should not push this on them. I'm smoking a juice that puts out alot of thick vapor. Has to be getting to someone and for those who say, "nicotine" is not a carcinogen, it doesn't matter. You should respect other peoples choices for themselves. We chose this, they didn't.
News Flash ..
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...op-vaping-assaults-flight-attendant-nuts.html
Regardless of how you feel about where the e-cig should be used, regardless of what the health concerns may or may not be .. this information is the absolute worse for our industry .. to those that proclaim "I'll use my e-cig when ever and where ever I want" .. you are not helping your own cause ..
It only takes a few to destroy the liberty of the many ..
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...op-vaping-assaults-flight-attendant-nuts.html
Regardless of how you feel about where the e-cig should be used, regardless of what the health concerns may or may not be .. this information is the absolute worse for our industry .. to those that proclaim "I'll use my e-cig when ever and where ever I want" .. you are not helping your own cause ..
It only takes a few to destroy the liberty of the many ..
ok i am putting my two cents in here. we as vapers should try to get vaping exposure for what it likely is: a better form of nicotine delivery/smoking/etc. Having said that, reasonable and courteous presentation of what is known about vaping should be the first course of action. Whether you like it or not, vaping has some seriously unfavorable conotations with it: smoking. It is the reality of it. No getting around it. keeping that in mind, we have to win the minds as well as the hearts of people around us. And that is done by being genuine about what is known about vaping as well as being candid about what is not known. Also we have to develop an atmosphere of win-win for vapers and non-vapers, b/c once we consider it us vs them, there is no win and it devolves into name calling and denigration. The starting point I think for any discussion on this should be, making people healthier. Notice I did not say healthy. We can all agree, vapers and non-vapers, the being healthier is something both sides can agree on, and vaping so far has shown that it can be a tool for being healthier. Now let's rally up and be healthier!
I have to agree with you Uncle Willie. It's one thing to help to prevent a ban, but if the ban is already in place, then abide by it. However, he wasn't arrested over the ecig. If he needed his nic that bad, he could have gone to the restroom and vaped himself silly once they were in the air. It's people like this guy that will kill it for everyone.
Can I assume you aren't a stay at home Dad? Difficult to conceal such activities, when you are with your children 24/7, without someone to watch them while you go "do your thing"! Heck, I couldn't use the bathroom, in peace, for years when my children were little, and now it's Grandkids!
It doesn't matter what he was arrested for, in the 2 seconds it takes someone to read that headline, their brain had already processed "Another one of those e-cig a-holes stirring up crap again."
The restroom thing is a personal decision .. I have an unnatural fear of flying anyway and that combined with paranoia prevents me from using an e-cig at any place on a plane ..
No matter what he actually did to get arrested .. (the tossing snacks bit is kinda funny) .. you can bet that the anti-vape lobby will concentrate on the e-cig ..
The real point is there is NO LAW that prevents you from using your PV anywhere!!
+1
George Washington, In a 1783 address to officers of the army, he stated that without "freedom of speech [we] may be taken away, and dumb and silent, we may be led like sheep to the slaughter."
If you don't stand up for your rights, they may be taken away.
Your assumption is wrong. I built my own studio, and so I work from home.
If I need to vape, I head into the kitchen, out on the deck, to my studio, etc. Like I said, my boys (I have 4) know I vape, I showed them what it was and what it does. I just don't do it in front of them, nor do I do it anywhere that smoking isn't welcome.
That guy on the airplane hurts the rest of us. He was looking for trouble. If, his nicotine need was that strong, he could easily have stealth vaped, blowing any vapor into his shirt, while the Flight Attendants weren't within eyesight of his activity. No one, including the person sitting next to him, would have known what he was doing. You can vape, use a paper towel as if you were wiping your mouth, blow the vapor into the paper towel, and no one will see the vapor! It's vapor, not smoke, so you can hide it!
Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While I don't disagree with your post completely .. in 2011, we need to work within the system to gain acceptance .. it's a far cry from 1783 ..
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