Tobacco extraction using heated Ethanol

[jonnydoe]

Does Cavendish tastes like a cigar ? I have never tasted it, but i have ordered a cavendish from net.com to have a try. I have found this about cavendish:

Black (cavendish) friday

So it could taste like a cigar.


I want to buy this cigar:

Cigar Review: Kentucky Fire Cured by Drew Estate - Leaf Enthusiast | Reviews for Cigar & Pipe Lovers

It contains also kentucky tobacco. Kentucky, patriot ? I dont know, but an extract of a fire cured cigar would be new for me and interesting.

It would be great to get the secrets of patriot.

 

[Exchaner]

To me regular Cavendish has a mild taste, but Kentucky Cavendish might be different. The cigar sounds promising.

 

[usr/]

So you do the final 1.5 micron filtering in the freezer? I haven't tried that. I filter through a coffee filter while still in the freezer to remove the congealed gunk but then have been moving to room temperature for the final 1 micron filtration.

The three I have extracted I have done all filtering in the freezer. After the separation period of the waxes, oils, and crud, I've been carefully removing the bottles from the freezer so as not to disturb the sediment and been pouring it off until the first signs of crud start to appear, then just discarding the few mil's that's left with all the crud, not allowing it into the coffee filter. I actually think I could go straight to 1.5 micron filter at this point and it would still filter just fine. I just haven't tried it yet.

On another note, I've taken a 100% pg extract that I had, that I wasn't too fond of, McClellands Dark Star (it has that ketchupy taste people speak of about some of the McClelland Blends having), and doubled the volume of it with 190 proof PGA, mixed throughly and put it in the freezer just to see if it would settle out any crud. Surprisingly it settled out quit a bit. Filtered to 1.5 micron and re-bottled it and put it back in the freezer where it's at now. When I can get to it, I will reduce it back to it's original volume of 100% pg and see if it improves the performance or flavor. If it seems to significantly improve it, I have a lot of extracts that I would like to clean up like this. Really just messing around. Like I don't have enough to get done, already!

 

[usr/]

That was my latest HEET (Heated Ethanol Extracted Tobacco) of "chop chop" (an illegal form of tobacco in Oz) which produces a dirty, bitter tobacco flavour. I sometimes add up to 2% of a cold macerated (in PG) pipe or cigarette tobacco, but not always.

But my taste is not as discerning as others

Interesting reading.....this "chop chop".

 

[gt_1955]

Interesting reading.....this "chop chop".

Illegally grown and supplied tobacco @$100/kg. Normal retail price is $1,000/kg in Oz with well over half of that sin tax

 

[seebo]

Does Cavendish tastes like a cigar ? I have never tasted it, but i have ordered a cavendish from net.com to have a try. I have found this about cavendish:

Black (cavendish) friday

So it could taste like a cigar.

Cavendish is not really a tobacco from what i know. Cavendish is typically a sweet flavored tobacco usually made from Virginia and Burley tobaccos. honey, maple, chocolate, coconut, licorice, vanilla, bourbon and walnut are the usual flavor profile of Cavendish. many pipe tobaccos have Cavendish.

 

[Kingboomer]

I've gotta try that Patriot, sounds like something that'd be right up my alley.


-Kingboomer

 

[Exchaner]

I've gotta try that Patriot, sounds like something that'd be right up my alley.


-Kingboomer

You are likely to get hooked. It's made 50/50 by default, but you can customize the combination - by specifying your % in the comments section of the order. They have a coupon code on the ECF - ECF10

 

[Kingboomer]

You are likely to get hooked. It's made 50/50 by default, but you can customize the combination - by specifying your % in the comments section of the order. They have a coupon code on the ECF - ECF10

Who carries it?

EDIT: I found gej, no idea what that site name is...

 

[dannyv45]

On another note, I've taken a 100% pg extract that I had, that I wasn't too fond of, McClellands Dark Star (it has that ketchupy taste people speak of about some of the McClelland Blends having), and doubled the volume of it with 190 proof PGA, mixed throughly and put it in the freezer just to see if it would settle out any crud. Surprisingly it settled out quit a bit. Filtered to 1.5 micron and re-bottled it and put it back in the freezer where it's at now. When I can get to it, I will reduce it back to it's original volume of 100% pg and see if it improves the performance or flavor. If it seems to significantly improve it, I have a lot of extracts that I would like to clean up like this. Really just messing around. Like I don't have enough to get done, already!

Very interesting though to double the volume of PG extract with PGA and freezing. I was thinking of doing the same thing to further filter my PG extracts. Please keep us informed of your progress. I've done several very hot filterings of my PG extracts but still its a far worst coil gunker then the PGA/freezing extracts I've done.

If anyone else has already tried this please comment as to your results

 

[Str8vision]

Who carries it?

EDIT: I found gej, no idea what that site name is...

Goodejuice.com (GEJ), here's a link to Patriot Patriot Tobacco eJuice

 

[dannyv45]

pardon the double post

 

[Kingboomer]

Thanks guys, I may have to check it out.

 

[Str8vision]

Very interesting though to double the volume of PG extract with PGA and freezing. I was thinking of doing the same thing to further filter my PG extract. Please keep us informed of your progress.

If anyone else has already tried this please comment as to your results

I've tried several methods of cleaning a PG based extract with no success but haven't tried adding enough PGA to double the volume and then freeze filtering. Would certainly be nice if we could purify PG based extractions enough to obtain a reasonable level of performance from them. I'm waiting to hear the results...

 

[jonnydoe]

Thanks guys, I may have to check it out.

But its not good, if it is fresh. Perhaps you have to wait 2 or 3 months for the real smokiness. Its a surprise how this juice change with steeping.

 

[Kingboomer]

But its not good, if it is fresh. Perhaps you have to wait 2 or 3 months for the real smokiness. Its a surprise how this juice change with steeping.

That's ok, most of my DIY juices need a week bare minimum before they're decent. Once I start extracting my own I'm sure to get a lesson in patience


-Kingboomer

 

[dannyv45]

I've tried several methods of cleaning a PG based extract with no success but haven't tried adding enough PGA to double the volume and then freeze filtering. Would certainly be nice if we could purify PG based extractions enough to obtain a reasonable level of performance from them. I'm waiting to hear the results...

I've herd of many using an aeropress to filter PG. Have you tried it and does it do a better job then filtering through coffee filters a few times. Been on the fence about getting one.

 

[TheWestPole]

I've herd of many using an aeropress to filter PG. Have you tried it and does it do a better job then filtering through coffee filters a few times. Been on the fence about getting one.

Bought an Aeropress a month ago and glad I did. Have not yet experimented with any filters other than the ones that come with the unit because they've been doing a good job. Filtering more than once, or with more than one filter, doesn't seem to improve on a single filter filtered once, which is a pretty good sign how well it works. Extract bases I've used so far are 100% PG, 100% VG, and 50/50, always warming the mixture before filtering. Recommended.

 

[Str8vision]

I've herd of many using an aeropress to filter PG. Have you tried it and does it do a better job then filtering through coffee filters a few times. Been on the fence about getting one.

For filtering a PG based extract I found using <3 micron filter paper yields the best results from a performance perspective. An Aeropress can be used to significantly speed the filtering process. I don't use an Aeropress, I have a vacuum filtering setup instead. Since I'm currently playing with ethanol based extracts I use gravity filtration only.

 

[usr/]

I've tried several methods of cleaning a PG based extract with no success but haven't tried adding enough PGA to double the volume and then freeze filtering. Would certainly be nice if we could purify PG based extractions enough to obtain a reasonable level of performance from them. I'm waiting to hear the results...

Managed to get an extra day off today for New Years. Got some blends mixed up for a long age. Also got around to reducing this Dark Star down that I had attempted to clean up with PGA. I don't really think it will be worth the effort to try and clean up some of these PG extracts. While it did settle out a good bit of the crud, I think any performance increase would negligible. It's still a dark and thick juice with “gunk” written all over it. But I haven't tried it either...... I may actually try it again with one that I like. Just can't get past that ketchup smell it has. It's more like a spicy ketchup.

But on another observation when I was reducing it, it was very easy to tell when the PGA had fully dissipated, by the smell and look of it. I was reducing it in a 12” shallow round Pyrex dish on the stove top, giving it a gentle swirl as it heated. Once it gets up to temperature it doesn't take long at all to evaporate off. I may start transferring the extract to PG before reducing. I can gage that much better than just reducing 100% ethanol extract down to a certain percentage. I think you pointed this out in your OP.