Tobacco extraction using heated Ethanol

[jonnydoe]

Viel Glück Rolf !

I havent understood all because of my english. You are doing a vacuum hot ethanol extraction with lower temperatures ?

I am reading a little bit about seperating flavours and i offen think about, how to reduce sugars. Why could a destillation with water not work ? What is flavour, is it an essential oil ? To seperate oil an water must be easy or not.......

I dont know anything............

 

[rolf]

Viel Glück Rolf !

I havent understood all because of my english. You are doing a vacuum hot ethanol extraction with lower temperatures ?

I am reading a little bit about seperating flavours and i offen think about, how to reduce sugars. Why could a destillation with water not work ? What is flavour, is it an essential oil ? To seperate oil an water must be easy or not.......

I dont know anything............

hi jonnydoe
how do I explain that in English ..not to good myselv !
first extract in heated ethanol x temp at x time .
then reduce ..getting some alcohol out of it by percentage then you have a concentrated flavoring. (after freeze filtering )the distilling comes in to save ..recover some pga to reuse. it is hard to come by and expensive . some sugars will come out with freezing and then filtering ..also some oils which are not desirable will filter out when frozen that is the reason to use ethanol .
so your usable flavoring is the one in the boiler ! and the distilled part is to reusable ethanol . remember we are only extracting flavor and get rid of other things which only clog attys.hope that helps ..,.very little flavor would transfer to the distilled part.

 

[aceswired]

str8 will know what this is ...

Make sure you use unleaded solder....

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[rolf]

Make sure you use unleaded solder....

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jes I know . I am using silver solder wit stay clear flux.
that stuff is realy nice. also most outer connections I am using flared fittings . my vacuum switch is just about complete . a micro switch driving a 20 amp relay don't give me an amp rating so I have to hook it up to variable powersupply where I read the amps don't want to under or over build it . the silicone membrane works slick ..diy of course.working now with different springs to give me the range of adjustment I want . so far so good .

 

[jonnydoe]

I will try a 2 step reducing of sugars by freeze frozing with american spirit organic. First step is the usually reducing in the freezer of the tabacoo ethanol mixture and than reducing the ethanol to 20% and again in the freezer for trying to reduce more sugars. Very curious if it works.

I have vaped my pg and my vg first time standing alone. The pg was sweet and the vg not, but has a chemical after taste. Normally the vg should be sweet i have read.

I have liked the smokines of the vg more and its easier to inhale for the lungs and so i have orderd 4 other pg and vg from different vendors. It will be interesting to look if they all are tasting different. The base is an important step of the whole net and i havent thought about it till yet.

Last but not least i have 9 tobaccos from leafonly in my cooker. I want to know if these fresh cut tobacco leafs have more flavour as my rolling tobaccos. It was a lot of work to cut the leafs. I dont want to do it again.

 

[Exchaner]

Last but not least i have 9 tobaccos from leafonly in my cooker. I want to know if these fresh cut tobacco leafs have more flavour as my rolling tobaccos. It was a lot of work to cut the leafs. I dont want to do it again.

tobacco leaves usually need time to cure but that probably applies only to smoking. I am not sure if it applies to extractions.

 

[jonnydoe]

I think they are cured or not ? For example my aged burley or flue cured virginia. Fresh cut means that i have made fine cut from the leafs before the extraction.

 

[jonnydoe]

Have someone ever made a nicotine test from the reduced extract ?

I have spoken to a german chemical and he said that its dangerous because we are concentrating nicotine in our extracts by reducing.

I will buy me a test.

 

[Bunnykiller]

probably will only get around 12 mg/ml when reduced ( concentrated)... Ive done taste tests on my reduced extracts and never gotten hiccups... I will get hiccups at 24+ nic levels when doing the taste test... its not an accurate measure but it works

 

[jonnydoe]

I have orderd a test. Its with changing colours by titration. I think it must be possible to test a juice but not the extract standing alone because its too dark for the test. How have you done the test ?

 

[Bunnykiller]

the color trend test is not one that works well with extracts due to the extracts original color.... pretty much need a clear fluid to test... you might see a color shift but it can be difficult to get accurate results... Ive tried diluting the extract to a point of being nearly clear but the nic was also diluted to a point where 1 drop of reagent shifted the color and made determining the nics strength hard to determine...

 

[JimzDogz]

http://www.amazon.com/Moda-Flame-Bi..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1M1QN5S3B3CN5DGEGM3S

Please, give me your thoughts on using this product for extracting tobacco.

 

[Exchaner]

It has been denatured - a big no for consumption.

 

[usr/]

It has been denatured - a big no for consumption.

For child safety, bitterant is added as a human aversive. It's overwhelming bitter taste helps prevent accidental ingestion by children and small animals.

I think would just go with 190 pga if you can get it where you live.

 

[dannyv45]

http://www.amazon.com/Moda-Flame-Bio-Ethanol-Fireplace-Bottles/dp/B00GPU8Z9M/ref=pd_sim_201_7?ie=UTF8&dpID=51wlscbGXiL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1M1QN5S3B3CN5DGEGM3S

Please, give me your thoughts on using this product for extracting tobacco.

I've used isopropol alcohol BUT you have to evaporate it completely out of the extraction. I reduced it by 80% then added 20% PG to the remaining 20% of extraction and evaporated out the rest. Still the results were not as good as with everclear. You can do the same with denatured.

 

[zulu965]

You can do the same with denatured.

That depends on what substance is used to denature the ethanol.
If it's volatile that's OK, but if it's a solid (like cetrimide, which I believe it's the most common this days) you'll get an extract in which the denaturing substance is more concentrated than in the original ethanol.
The only safe way to use denatured ethanol is to distill it first, thus obtaining non denatured ethanol.

 

[jonnydoe]

Do someone know if petroleum ether is ok for the healthy ?

 

[zulu965]

Do someone know if petroleum ether is ok for the healthy ?

I'd think the risk of fire and inhalation during manipulation is high.
Would it be worth the risk? I don't know, but i'm not willing to find out.

 

[jonnydoe]

I am too. I have read different things about petroleum ether and i dont know what to think about it. I dont handle with fire but i dont know if it is bad for my healthy to inhalate it or not.

 

[Exchaner]

I've used isopropol alcohol BUT you have to evaporate it completely out of the extraction. I reduced it by 80% then added 20% PG to the remaining 20% of extraction and evaporated out the rest. Still the results were not as good as with everclear. You can do the same with denatured.

I have also tried ISO and found the flavor not as robust as Everclear. Perhaps a combination of the two might work better. You will get the benefit of Everclear with the lower cost of ISO - a possible solution for those like myself who only have access to 151 proof Everclear. I plan to mix of 70% ISO with 30% Everclear. That will cut down the % of water inside the Everclear considerably.