Vaping regulation opinions

[zoiDman]

I'm speaking to a specific even that it was already adressed, they were in fact strippers hired to advertise in their booth. I'm would never put woman down, I'm just being honest here. And I made this post more for a discussion rather then a specific issue so we can hopefully discuss some issues. Hopefully I didn't offend you when I said strippers, like I said, they were in fact strippers. Imo is a perfectly fine occupation but has no place in a vape meet, just like it has no place in a car meet. If anything I would think you would be offended that they stooped that low to sell their product.

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I wasn't Offended by what you Posted.

But I know Quit a Few Girls who work e-Cigarette Shows who are employees of an e-Cigarette Companies. And they didn't like much of the Backlash that came out of the NJ vape Meet.

I hear what you are saying. And I think a Few Companies could act in a More Professional Manor. But I also think that Event Coordinators should also do the Same.

Because they set what Can and Cannot be Done inside a vape Event.

 

[Robino1]

And I think a Few Companies could act in a More Professional Manor. But I also think that Event Coordinators should also do the Same.

Because they set what Can and Cannot be Done inside a Vape Event.

Agree ^^ 100%

 

[Lessifer]

We definitely agree on a lot of things. But I'm a big proponent that nothing that is specific to adults should he advertised because it sends the wrong message and vaping should be included. I'm just frustrated because I feel torn between defending something I feel strongly about but also feel strongly about advertisements and how they have more then gotten out of hand (not vaping specifically but drugs across the board). You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself turn into the villian. Fighting for vaping can save lives but at what point do we just sound like we are pushing our own selfish agenda.

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I don't really want to get into the whole discussion, because I've done it many times before and have yet to see a satisfactory response but... Why, exactly, does vaping have to be something that is "specific to adults?" Is there some harm that I'm unaware of that the children need to be protected from?

Go on youtube and watch commercials from the companies in talking about. There are no regulations on what they can or can't say. There's no battery safety info there's no nicotine safety info. We can't ignore nicotine poisoning has more then quadrupled, though not deadly it's something people need to be warned about. Like obviously the majority of people on here are probably smart educated people. Unfortunately we live in a world where kids will put alcohol you know where because it seems like a good idea. We have to be more closed minded in some situation, we can't live like hippies unfortunately.

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I believe the number of CALLS to poison control centers regarding nicotine have gone up, I'm not so sure the number of actual poisonings has. Even if it has, it's still less than the number of accidental poisonings from children eating cigarettes, and about an order of magnitude less than poisonings from eating detergent pods.

You seem to want to make vaping adhere to the rules of tobacco control. Those rules are supposedly to protect people from the harms of tobacco. Vaping has not been shown to be harmful. Why should the same rules apply?

Also, stripper does not mean the same thing as .......

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

I don't really want to get into the whole discussion, because I've done it many times before and have yet to see a satisfactory response but... Why, exactly, does vaping have to be something that is "specific to adults?" Is there some harm that I'm unaware of that the children need to be protected from?

Addiction and all that that goes with it...

 

[Lessifer]

Addiction and all that that goes with it...

Ok, so I'll restate it. All evidence to date, including studies done by NRT manufacturers, studies on the use of nicotine for parkinson's and alzheimer's, points to the fact that nicotine, absent tobacco, does not lead to dependence.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please share.

 

[vlodato]

I don't really want to get into the whole discussion, because I've done it many times before and have yet to see a satisfactory response but... Why, exactly, does vaping have to be something that is "specific to adults?" Is there some harm that I'm unaware of that the children need to be protected from?


I believe the number of CALLS to poison control centers regarding nicotine have gone up, I'm not so sure the number of actual poisonings has. Even if it has, it's still less than the number of accidental poisonings from children eating cigarettes, and about an order of magnitude less than poisonings from eating detergent pods.

You seem to want to make vaping adhere to the rules of tobacco control. Those rules are supposedly to protect people from the harms of tobacco. Vaping has not been shown to be harmful. Why should the same rules apply?

Also, stripper does not mean the same thing as .......

I know there's a difference but let's be real, it's a very fine line, from what I read there were in fact prostitutes. Either way, do you really feel vaping is 100% safe. You really think children should vape? This proves that this community is more uneducated then I thought. Do you know anything about what your vaping? Do you think inhaling a metric ton of vapor into your system full of nicotine and flavoring @ 300-500* is 100% safe? Eating McDonald's everyday is unhealthy. Anything you put into your body that shouldn't be there is unhealthy. That fact you said children should not be prevented from vaping is borderline disturbing. I'm not about to sit here and do your own research for you. So if you were expecting my response to have cold hard facts then your going to be disapointed. This is a discussion not an argument, I seem to have upset you which really wasn't my intention.

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[Lessifer]

I know there's a difference but let's be real, it's a very fine line, from what I read there were in fact prostitutes. Either way, do you really feel vaping is 100% safe. You really think children should vape? This proves that this community is more uneducated then I thought. Do you know anything about what your vaping? Do you think inhaling a metric ton of vapor into your system full of nicotine and flavoring @ 300-500* is 100% safe? Eating McDonald's everyday is unhealthy. Anything you put into your body that shouldn't be there is unhealthy. That fact you said children should not be prevented from vaping is borderline disturbing. I'm not about to sit here and do your own research for you. So if you were expecting my response to have cold hard facts then your going to be disapointed. This is a discussion not an argument, I seem to have upset you which really wasn't my intention.

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The fact that this "discussion" keeps happening upsets me, because I don't see how we can ever get the rest of the world to stop condemning vaping without evidence, when we can't get vapers to stop doing it.

I don't believe vaping is 100% safe, which is why I didn't say that it was 100% safe. I don't believe ANYTHING is 100% safe, including breathing "clean" air, drinking water, etc.

I know exactly what I'm vaping. I don't inhale a metric ton of vapor, I go through about 2-4ml/day, most of it is VG, with a minuscule amount of nicotine and flavorings, and it definitely isn't at 300-500* when it enters my mouth or I would have burns.

Here's a starter on nicotine, maybe you should read it: Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com

Look, I get it, it "feels" wrong to think of a kid vaping. If you actually think about it though, why is that? Is it because there are some actual harms associated, or is it because even we(you) associate vaping with smoking?

If you really want to, I will discuss it. If you just want to bluster and make statements and pleas on emotion, and borderline insults, I don't really need to participate in that. I am very educated, on this subject and many others. Your factual knowledge about vaping seems to be a bit lacking though.

 

[sofarsogood]

So lots of vapers are feeling the pressure. The bad guys are determined to spoil our fun and we wish they wouldn't so we've started to negotiate even though the other side has yet to present their intentions. While we wait for that to happen help smokers switch to vaping and put some damn nic in the frig.

 

[mcclintock]

vlodato, sounds like you're conservative person, except regarding vaping if that isn't, and concerned that vaping could become associated with those who insist on the freedom to do what they like with their own bodies. I agree with those here that believe cigarette-bashing is not helpful to us, not because I believe cigs are far less dangerous than many believe, but because, like smokers, we do something that is enjoyable but not minimally harmful. Within that category, we are improving ourselves in doing something less dangerous than we could do, and yet often more enjoyable than smoking as well.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Ok, so I'll restate it. All evidence to date, including studies done by NRT manufacturers, studies on the use of nicotine for parkinson's and alzheimer's, points to the fact that nicotine, absent tobacco, does not lead to dependence.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please share.

I've tried 0mg, I felt the withdrawals, say it's not addictive all you want but for me it is...

 

[Robino1]

I've tried 0mg, I felt the withdrawals, say it's not addictive all you want but for me it is...

We (and the medical community) are saying that Never Smokers do not show signs of addiction when placed on the patch or given Nicotine. They do not exhibit signs of withdrawal that smokers feel when trying to break the habit of smoking.

As former smokers, we have become sensitized to nicotine and have become addicted to nic along with whatever else is put in the tobacco to make it taste consistent from crop year to crop year.

As vapers, some of us are able to lower (wean ourselves) from nic, once we have broken the addiction to Smoking Cigarettes. Most of us continue to vape because it is able to mimic the Habit of smoking, in a sense.

 

[Racehorse]

I wasn't Offended by what you Posted.

But I know Quit a Few Girls who work e-Cigarette Shows who are employees of an e-Cigarette Companies. And they didn't like much of the Backlash that came out of the NJ Vape Meet.

Were they fully clothed in the normal sense of the word?

If so, they have nothing to worry about.


OTOH, I didn't see the Chippendales there. Heck there are women who buy vape gear, too, ya know. If they're gonna have half nekkid women associated with the gear, at least have some half nekkid men too.

 

[Robino1]

Were they fully clothed in the normal sense of the word?

If so, they have nothing to worry about.


OTOH, I didn't see the Chippendales there. Heck there are women who buy vape gear, too, ya know. If they're gonna have half nekkid women associated with the gear, at least have some half nekkid men too.

Bwahahahahaha! Nice one!

 

[Racehorse]

Look, I get it, it "feels" wrong to think of a kid vaping. If you actually think about it though, why is that?

It actually doesn't bother me .... my nephew is a never-smoker and works in a vape store and thus took up vaping. He's 18. Nobody in my family has registered any great dismay. And most of my family, including his dad, are never smokers and don't vape, either.


For me the exception is if they are vaping diacetyls. Per Dr. Farsalinos, a drop in FEV-1 is measurable after diacetyl exposure, which to me implies a decline in respiratory function.

I would be unhappy if my nephew was doing that to his lungs just to look the part or because vaping is cool or because he works in a vape store.

This is why I support testing and labelling of ejuice, as I believe the consumer deserves to have this information.

 

[pianoguy]

Wat? You have`nt seen the Jenny McCarthy add?
Shes looked better.

I like this idea:
American Medical Association urges ban on TV drug ads

Wow, I am shocked that the AMA is in support of that - bravo! If I were elected king, one of my first acts would be to eliminate those commercials.

 

[Steamix]

Regulate this, regulate that...

Seein that many peeps need protection mostly from their own foolishness and seein that makers need some protection from lawyers capitalizing on said peeps foolishness ( Gee, Mr. Knifemaker, you didn't put no sticker on your merchandise about not gripping it by the blade and now I'm sueing da **** out of you cuz me now gots no fingers left to poke dem boogers outta me nostrils... ) *some* kind of regulation will be unavoidable.

Although vaping industriy as well as vaping communites done a pretty good job in sorting itself out ( Word about lousy and/or potentially unsafe gear spreads quickly), a totally unregulated 'market' would expose the vaping community to all kinds of flak from various corners ( as if we didn't get plenty of that already ).

But ( beeeeeeg but) : going completely overboard like the FDA or the EU commission isn't really 'regulation'. Pandering to certain 'interested parties' these are just thinly veiled attempts to squeeze unwelcome innovation out of the market.

Ideally, it would be more in the line of information instead of regulation.

Tell buyers or potential buyers in clear concise terms what they're getting themselves into. No BS ( getting plenty of that already too), risks, benefits, advantages disadvantages - based on what is known about vaping so far.

We're all potty-trained and house-broken and old enough to make up our own minds about it then...

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

We (and the medical community) are saying that Never Smokers do not show signs of addiction when placed on the patch or given Nicotine. They do not exhibit signs of withdrawal that smokers feel when trying to break the habit of smoking.

Yeah they put all sorts of stuff in stinkies that changes how your body reacts to nicotine, I can't believe I used to smoke them and I can't believe tobacco companies get away with it...

 

[zoiDman]

Were they fully clothed in the normal sense of the word?

If so, they have nothing to worry about.

...

You would Hope So.

BTW - I wonder what some of these Girls think when their Friends/Family hear about "Strippers" and "Hookers" doing Vape Shows. And then they are asked if they work these Shows and hand out Free Samples also?

 

[Lessifer]

Whatever happened to decisions and policies predicated by science and facts? It's no wonder that we're losing this fight.

I guess some won't be happy until all we have is unflavored liquid, with 6mg or less nicotine per ml, with a plain white label with requisite warnings about tobacco harm and addiction, sold by men or women in full business attire, and only music approved by the daughters of the American Revolution playing in the background.

 

[zoiDman]

Whatever happened to decisions and policies predicated by science and facts? It's no wonder that we're losing this fight.

I guess some won't be happy until all we have is unflavored liquid, with 6mg or less nicotine per ml, with a plain white label with requisite warnings about tobacco harm and addiction, sold by men or women in full business attire, and only music approved by the daughters of the American Revolution playing in the background.

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