Vaping regulation opinions

[papergoblin]

I see us as vapers involved in something big, especially in the US. We are standing at the doors of the same gov. that Dr. King stood at and for one thing, rights. Civil rights is not limited to race, religion, sex, nor age. It is the right of people to be able to do as they can in life, so long as it does not hinder the rights of others along the way. The vaping community is comprised of just about every race, religion, generation (age), and sex. Vapers are the most welcome of any group, we don't care what some one looks like, who they date, or what their past is. We want people to be happy and healthy (or healthier at least), we may fuss and fight amongst ourselves but it is for the greater good, knowledge.

The problem is, just like stated above, we forget that smokers, tobacco (oral, nasal) users and vapers are a minority. We all know that tobacco can have horrible effects on us but the gov. has made a point to shame all nicotine users, as soon as they enter grade school. Tobacco and nicotine are being attacked like alcohol was leading up to prohibition. They have no right to tell anyone how to live their lives, nor do they have the right to lie. Smoking has been used as lie for decades, saying it leads to other vices (drugs) by calling it a gateway. They now say vaping is the same, it is corrupting the children, really? How is vaping or smoking corrupting kids?

I started smoking at the age of 13, want to know why, so do I, I have no idea. I never started smoking because of an ad, my parents, friends, nor cause I thought I looked cool, I just did. It probably had more to do with being a dumb kid thinking I knew everything and was bulletproof. It never made me want to do anything more, I did that because I wanted to, because of boredom. The fact is the gov. spends more time looking for excuses to blame people than to just deal with an issue and that is with everything, not just nicotine.

If anyone cares to actually look and really wants to know how it all works at the federal level, look up Ted Kennedy. One will find a world of double standards and corruption, which I find fitting as he was the main advocate of the President now. Then look up President Kennedy and President Nixon, learn what each did in office, one was a martyr the other a pariah, yet they were friends and did the same things, but one got caught.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

There were 100 protesters at Queen's Park in Toronto ... out of millions of people who live here.

It is not protesters that get the gov to ease up on the other 420 stuff ... tax revenue does that.

vaping regulations are totally about the same thing ... money

number was about 300 not too bad considering it was organized in 8 days by 2 ppl. having dine it quick like that caught them off guard, didn't give them time to prepare bogus rebuttals

 

[Rizzyking]

If vaping company's meet the criteria necessary to advertise on TV they should and I have no problem with it we're pretty much screwed at this point anyway I really can't see how TV advertising is possibly going to make things worse. To even compare vaping with Dr king and what he stood for will be far more damaging then any TV as and it is nowhere near the same, vaping isn't a civil right anymore then smoking was and couching it in those terms I think also angers non vapers.

 

[Douggro]

The vaping community is going to have to accept some type of regulation. Like it or not, that's just the way it's going to be. The question becomes what kind of regulation are we willing to accept.

The biggest hurdle vaping faces is disassociating itself with smoking tobacco. That's the root cause of the attempts to onerously regulate (and tax) vaping and vaping products. The involvement of Big Tobacco in products like Blu and Vuse has tainted the general opinion of vaping. A pointed coordinated campaign of facts and relational information of the differentiation between those products and what we inside the community see as true vaping products is what will make the biggest impact moving forward. Once regulating agencies and lawmakers understand that difference, getting reasonable regulations in place becomes a more probable reality. And we have to take a pragmatic approach to reaching that goal, knowing that we're going to have to fight various interpretations of studies coming from multiple sources. (Data from studies is never the problem: it's the interpretation of that data that leads to problems, or as my father says "Figures don't lie, but liars sure do figure." Data is empirical; interpretation of data is subjective.)

The manufacturing of e-juice would be, in my opinion, the best place to actually invite the FDA to step in and impose regulations. Much of the disinformation about vaping revolves around the contents of what we are really vaporizing in our respective kits. Getting groups like CASAA, the AVA and NVA involved and working together to offer a unified proposal of regulations for the manufacturing, ingredients and labeling of e-juice would be a logical and prudent first step. Not only would it appease the regulatory hawks, but also serve as a vehicle to show that the contents of e-juice are accepted safe products already tested by the FDA.

I chafe when I see some of the types of comments being made here that attempt to turn this into some type of partisan political issue. Our collective success in keeping vaping as we know it will only be damaged by bringing arguments like that to the table. This isn't about Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Socialists or Tea Partiers - it's about us standing united as a community to protect our reasonable rights of equitable treatment under the laws of our country, states and cities.

 

[Rizzyking]

Too many vapers will accept no regulation will not even discuss regulations that may impact their style of vaping and vaping has become a collection of little groups with their own style of doing it. There is nothing we can do now to really influence what will be regulated or how and to what extent it will occur we blew that opportunity long ago.

 

[papergoblin]

If vaping company's meet the criteria necessary to advertise on TV they should and I have no problem with it we're pretty much screwed at this point anyway I really can't see how TV advertising is possibly going to make things worse. To even compare vaping with Dr king and what he stood for will be far more damaging then any TV as and it is nowhere near the same, vaping isn't a civil right anymore then smoking was and couching it in those terms I think also angers non vapers.

I disagree, we do have the right to vape or smoke, it's our choice. We have the right to live our lives as we choose, so long as our rights do not hinder the rights of others. That is what Dr. King and many after him orated, he stated on more than one occasion, that Americans have the right to pursue happiness with the freedom from persecution. The gov. is doing exactly what he fought to change, which is telling people how they may or may not live their lives. They are trying to make vapers, like smokers, second class citizens.

Rights are rights, one is no more nor less important than the other. If one right is taken from any class/type of citizen, then that opens the door to take rights from others. If you look back through history, you will see where small things were taken away first, then the slippery slope begins and it gets bigger and bigger. The fact is this is not just about vaping, it is about citizens being treated as children, that we cannot make a choice, we need to be told what to do/how to live.

We have to get people to look at the bigger picture, peoples' rights. That is what this all comes down to, nothing less and nothing more.

 

[wizardofozone]

Not sure if this is the right place. I'm wondering how others feel about this particular subject. Now I know all the bull.... propaganda the government and other uninformed people like to spew about how vaping is bad. My question is how people feel about the people in our community that have been abusing the situation. For exaple, vuse and blu seem to think it's ok to make vaping commercials. The same type of cigarette commercials that were banned, you know what I'm talking about. The commercials that glorify an addiction or make cigarettes look cool. It dosent just stop at TV tho, I see countless adds online and in magazines for these brands that have abused the situation. Tho we all agree vaping is good and is probably the best alternative to smoking traditional tobacco. We have to agree that these companies are giving us a bad name and imo they should not only be fined heavily but should have to awnser for what they have done. Am I the only one who feels this way?

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I'm not trying to be a smart alec but I think all that is required for all of we vapers to achieve 'perfect peace' and to make any possible future 'rules', 'laws' or legislation of any type against vaping harmless and ineffective against us is simply to take all of our individual and personal joy about the fact that vaping has helped many of us stop smoking just one step farther .... Quit the liquid nicotine as the final step. They will never make a law to ban vaporizers, atomizers, or holding tanks IN AND OF THEMSELVES for a fact. They will never be able to ban Kosher Vegetable Glycerin for a fact.

I feel confident that this is the answer. I've always hated commercials for diet loss or to stop smoking that included some actor saying "If I could do it you can too !" .... but as a 2 pack a day smoker since the age of 16 , and with the thought that my doctor relieved all of my fears about nicotine use once the explanation about the danger being in the way we 'carried' the nicotine into ourselves, I thought I would vape using liquid nic additive forever.

2 months into vaping I unintentionally was decreasing my liquid nicotine intake .... By the third month I found just the tactile feel of the devices I bought, the increase in visible cloud as I went gradually to factory made sub ohm tanks and larger mod units, and the general overall 'hobby' that is created by vaping instead of smoking took all dependence on nicotine away completly and I've been off of analogs since December 6th of 2014 ..... and off of nicotin since the end of February of 2015.

There is now an inescapable peace in my mind that nothing they can do now can harm me as I need to do or have nothing but working 100 watt and 200 watt backup units and good old bakery quality VG ...... Against any future nefarious plans by the government locally or nationally I now feel like Superman .... totally invulnerable to anything they want to try next. Janis Joplin was right ... "Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose ...

To those who have not even started to vape but are considering it, I'd just give the advanced warning to them that the key to total immunity to the Vaping homophobes is to decrease the liquid nic as fasty as you can once you start vaping .....

 

[zoiDman]

I'm not trying to be a smart alec but I think all that is required for all of we vapers to achieve 'perfect peace' and to make any possible future 'rules', 'laws' or legislation of any type against vaping harmless and ineffective against us is simply to take all of our individual and personal joy about the fact that vaping has helped many of us stop smoking just one step farther .... Quit the liquid nicotine as the final step. They will never make a law to ban vaporizers, atomizers, or holding tanks IN AND OF THEMSELVES for a fact. They will never be able to ban Kosher Vegetable Glycerin for a fact.

I feel confident that this is the answer. I've always hated commercials for diet loss or to stop smoking that included some actor saying "If I could do it you can too !" .... but as a 2 pack a day smoker since the age of 16 , and with the thought that my doctor relieved all of my fears about nicotine use once the explanation about the danger being in the way we 'carried' the nicotine into ourselves, I found that 2 months into vaping I unintentionally was decreasing my liquid nicotine intake .... By the third month I found just the tactile feel of the devices I bought, the increase in visible cloud as I went gradually to factory made sub ohm tanks and larger mod units, and the general overall 'hobby' that is created by vaping instead of smoking took all dependence on nicotine away completly and I've been off of analogs since December 6th of 2014 ..... There is an inescapable peace in my mind that nothing they can do now can harm me as I need to nothing but have working 100 watt and 200 watt backup units and good old bakery quality VG ...... Against any future nefarious plans by the government locally or nationally I now feel like Superman .... totally invulnerable to anything they want to try next.

That's all Well and Good. And something that a Person who has Already Switched can consider.

But what about those who Haven't Switched to e-Cigarettes yet?

I'd kinda like to see the Next Generation of Smokers who want to Quit Smoking using an e-Cigarette have at least have a portion of the Chance of Quitting that I did when I decided to Switch.

 

[Douggro]

That's all Well and Good. And something that a Person who has Already Switched can consider.

But what about those who Haven't Switched to e-Cigarettes yet?

I'd kinda like to see the Next Generation of Smokers who want to Quit Smoking using an e-Cigarette have at least have a portion of the Chance of Quitting that I did when I decided to Switch.

^^^Yes, this.^^^
Nicotine has its own addictive property much like caffeine - our bodies become accustomed to getting it. I started vaping with 12 and 18mg juices and have dropped down to the 3 and 6mg juices in just a few months. And I'm not opposed to dropping down to the zero nic juices if they're available in the flavors I like. I'm much more into the taste of the vape now than the nicotine that I'm getting from it. Being able to have those options are, IMO, a big factor in the effectiveness of vaping as a smoking cessation path.

 

[skoony]

Or a booth that has strippers and hookers handing out ejuice.

Well i'm not letting this stand. ME WANT PICTURES!, or it didn't happen.
PLEASE!?

mIKE

 

[Robino1]

Well i'm not letting this stand. ME WANT PICTURES!, or it didn't happen.
PLEASE!?

mIKE

Sorry sweetie, they will not be posted on ECF

 

[Asbestos4004]

I see exactly what your saying and I personally think there should be commercials and advertisments. I would love to be able to vape anywhere I go but I understand the majority and I mean a BIG majority of peopel, no matter how much you educate them will say I see smoke and will cough. We live in a world were people will go out of their way to stand up for something just because they like to hear themselves speak. I guarantee eventually we will see some mothers against vaping group fighting advertisments. You know who I'm talking about, the instagram era parents.

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We don't need advertisment. Our results speak volumes. We don't need flashy colors and super fit guys with skin tight shirts on looking like Joe cool with a blu ecig. As I replied to some others I am 100% for vaping and the future of vaping. I truly belive they should not be advertised. I think it sends a bad message. But that's just my opinion.

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So....are you for advertising or not? Pick a side.

 

[vlodato]

So....are you for advertising or not? Pick a side.

Your not understanding apparently no one is. Just because you or i believe in something dosent mean it can realistically be done. If stopping advertising could save vaping I'm on board. Many people on this forum live in a delusional fantasy world that the majority of people don't think it's more dangerous then traditional tobacco. For example I was on a video game forum. There was a thread about how some streamers (people who play video games live on twitch and youtube) vape. There was hundreds of replies. 90% of the replies stated how mods can blow up in your face, melt, and one of my favorites "they fill your lungs with water giving you ammonia". We haven't been farther from educating the world about vaping. So for arguments sake I am against vaping advertisment (unless they are purely informative) that depict vaping as cool or hip. I would love truth style commercials about vaping. What truth did to big tobacco is exactly what we need. But sadly this will never happen.

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[skoony]

If stopping advertising could save vaping I'm on board. Many people on this forum live in a delusional fantasy world that the majority of people don't think it's more dangerous then traditional tobacco.

Its not a delusional fantasy to want to allow advertising. Advertising and the flavors are two of the greatest save the
children hoaxes ever perpetrated by the anti-smoking crowd. Smoking,vaping and, drinking are learned behaviors and
as such preferences to brands and flavors are secondary considerations after the behavior is learned. I for one am not
giving them that one as its all a lie.

Regards
Mike

 

[Asbestos4004]

Your not understanding apparently no one is. Just because you or i believe in something dosent mean it can realistically be done. If stopping advertising could save vaping I'm on board. Many people on this forum live in a delusional fantasy world that the majority of people don't think it's more dangerous then traditional tobacco. For example I was on a video game forum. There was a thread about how some streamers (people who play video games live on twitch and youtube) vape. There was hundreds of replies. 90% of the replies stated how mods can blow up in your face, melt, and one of my favorites "they fill your lungs with water giving you ammonia". We haven't been farther from educating the world about vaping. So for arguments sake I am against vaping advertisment (unless they are purely informative) that depict vaping as cool or hip. I would love truth style commercials about vaping. What truth did to big tobacco is exactly what we need. But sadly this will never happen.

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I didnt ask for all of your rhetoric. In one post you say you're for advertising and in the very next post you say you're against it. Then you want to go off on a tangent about strippers. This is an 18 and up community. So are strip clubs that don't serve alcohol. If someone wants to use a stripper to sell eliquid, who cares? I don't agree with it and I'd probably never buy from them....but who cares? Does it define us as a community? No. Nor does it define the car, motorcycle or gun communities.
You give TV and strippers too much power. Looming regulations aren't about health or public perception. They're about money and how to keep us under the thumbs of BT and BP.

 

[vlodato]

I didnt ask for all of your rhetoric. In one post you say you're for advertising and in the very next post you say you're against it. Then you want to go off on a tangent about strippers. This is an 18 and up community. So are strip clubs that don't serve alcohol. If someone wants to use a stripper to sell eliquid, who cares? I don't agree with it and I'd probably never buy from them....but who cares? Does it define us as a community? No. Nor does it define the car, motorcycle or gun communities.
You give TV and strippers too much power. Looming regulations aren't about health or public perception. They're about money and how to keep us under the thumbs of BT and BP.

I didn't go off on a tangent. It's factual that ignorant people who abuse a situation can ruin it for everyone who follows the rules. When we look back at what went wrong, it will be apparent. We ignored the people in our community who act like fools. That's all I'm saying, we need to be more aware of what we do. We can't walk around with the idea that our .... dosent stink. It might smell better then cigarettes but that's not really saying much. And yes that last statment had a double meaning. Thank you for your input, as much as it may seem I'm arguing I'm only trying to promote discussion. No one is really wrong in this situation.

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[ReigntheGamer]

If you think that any topic brought up in this thread will have anything to do with the regulations we face you're in the fantasyland majority. They (Government) don't care if vaping was eventually proven to hold the cure for cancer it will be regulated, taxed, and profited upon. The only reason vapers even have these conversations is we have fallen hook line and sinker for their propaganda just like all the non-smoker/vapers have. If we can just prove how harmless it is and what a useful to quit smoking it is WE WILL BE SAVED!!!

It has never been about saving lives, second hand anything, or if the children will pick it up at some point. They just WANT the brain dead public to feel as if they have their best interest at heart and keep electing them and to keep campaign funds rolling in. All the while allowing the politicians to do as they please which is why I used the word want instead of need because honestly even if no one believed them it would do little to slow them from passing what ever regulations they see fit.

But we can vote you say! That's great but in a system where we have life long politicians good luck swapping out enough bodies in a short amount of time to see real change. Now I am going to go have a vape and shed a tear for what used to be for the people, by the people. Not for the people, by politicians who have decided what's best for everyone with no input from them.

 

[zoiDman]

Your not understanding apparently no one is. Just because you or i believe in something dosent mean it can realistically be done. If stopping advertising could save vaping I'm on board. ...

Hey that's Great. I think Everyone here Wants to Save Vaping Also.

I think, though, why you are Getting so much Blowback is because Many/Most don't think that if we Ban e-Cigarette Ads that Vaping will be Saved.

 

[DC2]

Quit the liquid nicotine as the final step.

Can I give a big "NO" on your suggestion?

It is important to realize that nicotine may very well be a VERY GOOD THING for many people.
I will provide a crapload of links to that effect, should you need them.

I would love truth style commercials about vaping. What truth did to big tobacco is exactly what we need.

I totally agree with that, and so do these folks...
NOT Blowing Smoke

If you think that any topic brought up in this thread will have anything to do with the regulations we face your in the fantasyland majority. They (Government) don't care if vaping was eventually proved to hold the cure for cancer it will be regulated, taxed, and profited upon. The only reason vapers even have these conversations is we have fallen hook line and sinker for their propaganda just like all the non-smoker/vapers have. If we can just prove how harmless it is and what a useful to quit smoking it is WE WILL BE SAVED!!!

It has never been about saving lives, second hand anything, or if the children will pick it up at some point. They just WANT the brain dead public to feel as if they have their best interest at heart and keep electing them and to keep campaign funds rolling in. All the while allowing the politicians to do as the please which is why I used the word want instead of need because honestly even if no one believed them it would do little to slow them from passing what ever regulations they see fit.

But we can vote you say! That's great but in a system where we have life long politicians good luck swapping out enough bodies in a short amount of time to see real change. Now I am going to go have a vape and shed a tear for what used to be for the people, by the people. Not for the people, by politicians who have decided what's best for everyone with no input from them.

Best post you've ever made on this forum in my opinion.
Not that my opinion will get you a steak dinner.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Can I give a big "NO" on your suggestion?

It is important to realize that nicotine may very well be a VERY GOOD THING for many people.
I will provide a crapload of links to that effect, should you need them.

I totally agree with that, and so do these folks...
NOT Blowing Smoke


Best post you've ever made on this forum in my opinion.
Not that my opinion will get you a steak dinner.

Thanks! I think...

Just kidding, I have my moments but I hate typing on this tablet so it takes a bit to coax it out of me.

Now back to being abrasive and posting ridiculous meme's. See yall next year for my next semi-rational thought!