Vaping regulation opinions

[Lessifer]

IMO blaming imminent regulations on ads, scantily clad women, cloud chasing, cereal isle lounges, cartoonish labels, etc. is a bit like saying someone who drove their car off a 500ft cliff died because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

Regulations have been in the works for a long time, long before the first commercial aired, before someone coaxed more than 8 watts out of their e-cig, probably even before the first label was printed for the first American made juice.

 

[zoiDman]

IMO blaming imminent regulations on ads, scantily clad women, cloud chasing, cereal isle lounges, cartoonish labels, etc. is a bit like saying someone who drove their car off a 500ft cliff died because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

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I'm not sure I would go that far. Especially when it comes to Local Laws and Ordinances.

But I agree. Federal Regulations have been in the works since about 2010. And Banning TV e-Cigarette Ads is Not Going to effect them at this point.

 

[cllmda]

If you think that any topic brought up in this thread will have anything to do with the regulations we face you're in the fantasyland majority. They (Government) don't care if vaping was eventually proven to hold the cure for cancer it will be regulated, taxed, and profited upon. The only reason vapers even have these conversations is we have fallen hook line and sinker for their propaganda just like all the non-smoker/vapers have. If we can just prove how harmless it is and what a useful to quit smoking it is WE WILL BE SAVED!!!

It has never been about saving lives, second hand anything, or if the children will pick it up at some point. They just WANT the brain dead public to feel as if they have their best interest at heart and keep electing them and to keep campaign funds rolling in. All the while allowing the politicians to do as they please which is why I used the word want instead of need because honestly even if no one believed them it would do little to slow them from passing what ever regulations they see fit.

But we can vote you say! That's great but in a system where we have life long politicians good luck swapping out enough bodies in a short amount of time to see real change. Now I am going to go have a vape and shed a tear for what used to be for the people, by the people. Not for the people, by politicians who have decided what's best for everyone with no input from them.

You're right, most governments really dont care about the eventual usefulness or positive improvements it could bring to their people or to their people's health....They only care about lining their- and their buddie's- pocketbooks.

As an example, here in Europe we're facing imminent regulation on ecigs & eliquids. Some EU countries have already applied the EU law, some have gone even beyond, banning all nic & ecigs completely ... The rest of us expect Regs to come into effect by May 2016 at the latest.

To attempt to fight back, the vaping groups here in France brought numerous health reports & studies from reputed Universities and research teams all over the world and sent in specialist doctor's to explain/present them...all these delegations have gone to our Ministry of Health and each time NO ONE would even LOOK at the docs/proof they had brought or would even pretend to listen to the points they brought up . They just werent interested .

The groups now say that they feel that theyve wasted their time over the past two years. From the start their main aim was to PROVE to the gov how useful vaping could be, how it could contribute to save lives (and save the gov alot of money on health expenses in the bargain) without causing any harm to others through second hand smoke etc.
They always thought that if they managed to convince the gov of this that,naturally, they would support vaping.....

Now, after two years theyve come to the conclusion that our gov does understand.... perfectly.... they just dont care/dont wanna know !!!

 

[wizardofozone]

IMO blaming imminent regulations on ads, scantily clad women, cloud chasing, cereal isle lounges, cartoonish labels, etc. is a bit like saying someone who drove their car off a 500ft cliff died because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

Regulations have been in the works for a long time, long before the first commercial aired, before someone coaxed more than 8 watts out of their e-cig, probably even before the first label was printed for the first American made juice.

 

[wizardofozone]

Can I give a big "NO" on your suggestion?

It is important to realize that nicotine may very well be a VERY GOOD THING for many people.
I will provide a crapload of links to that effect, should you need them.

No argument there but even if some vapers positively need to continue liquid nic it's still just a tempest in a teapot .... Simply take your age and do the math to estimate how much total 100 % nic you'll need to add and dilute into to your always available future VG. And buy it now. Many think nothing of spending over $1500 dollars on radical tires for their autos, thousands on hunting supplies, fishing gear, fine wines, 55 inch flat screens, motorcycles, etc .... apply some dollars just once to liquid nic needs for your future lifetime use and then vape away as others fret and worry about continuing government bullying ...... money wise ..... for heavy past analogers over 40 years old liquid nic hoarding is monetarily do-able .For the hard working ,credit rich younger crowd even easier ... A full litre of 100mg nic is $50 .... After dilution into VG,many could do a lifetime hoard for under $500 .

 

[WharfRat1976]

Great thread.

 

[BreSha6869]

Your premise is ridiculous, sorry.

R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company is not in "OUR COMMUNITY." R.J. Reynolds is in a universe all their own. They do whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want to do it, right wrong or indifferent.

R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company is not out to "give us a bad name," the are out to DESTROY us.

You ask to fine R.J Reynolds Vapor Company and they should answer for what they have done.

They have killed tens of millions of people but they are going to pay up for a few TV and print ads and ruining the vape culture.

Your premise and conclusion could not be any more ridiculous.

R.J.R is in all the backrounds, pulling every governmental string they can to regulate vaping. They want to own and control the whole multi billion dollar industry. RJR is a $75 Billion Dollar revenue company. They want more. They want to rule all.

(This is merely an opinion and in no way a statement of fact.)

I would add to the above the fact that many of the big vape company's ads (Blu is a great example) are almost blatantly sexist/raunchy. Almost like they're purposely trying to piss off every grampndma and soccer/PTA mom on earth and further tarnish vaping/ecigs.

A couple of recent examples include a young good looking guy lying in bed with an extremely obese woman while having a Blu and another is just a pic of a super fit woman's stomach/crotch and her tiny bikini bottom has a Blu logo.

I actually do think they are funny/hot, but what bugs me is that big tobacco is almost trying to create bad press for their own small (relative to cigarettes) vape product lines to help protect the only business they really care about.

Wickedly brilliant actually.

 

[WharfRat1976]

I would add to the above the fact that many of the big vape company's ads (Blu is a great example) are almost blatantly sexist/raunchy. Almost like they're purposely trying to piss off every grampndma and soccer/PTA mom on earth and further tarnish vaping/ecigs.

A couple of recent examples include a young good looking guy lying in bed with an extremely obese woman while having a Blu and another is just a pic of a super fit woman's stomach/crotch and her tiny bikini bottom has a Blu logo.

I actually do think they are funny/hot, but what bugs me is that big tobacco is almost trying to create bad press for their own small (relative to cigarettes) vape product lines to help protect the only business they really care about.

Wickedly brilliant actually.

All while keeping their foot in the door. I would not underestimate BT in any capacity.

 

[WharfRat1976]

The Chinese Tobacco Company is a one hundred billion dollar in revs company. The vaping community as a whole is delusional as to its overall value let alone influence. All the micro arguments and discussions here are absolutely pointless and even more meaningless even though we think they are important. We are a blip on the overall landscape.

 

[vlodato]

The Chinese Tobacco Company is a one hundred billion dollar in revs company. The vaping community as a whole is delusional as to its overall value let alone influence. All the micro arguments and discussions here are absolutely pointless and even more meaningless even though we think they are important. We are a blip on the overall landscape.

I know, but a boy can dream can't he? This is the logical next step, we talk to make ourselves feel warm and fuzzy inside. While a stage 5 tornado is forming and due to hit in about a month.

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[BreSha6869]

The Chinese Tobacco Company is a one hundred billion dollar in revs company. The vaping community as a whole is delusional as to its overall value let alone influence. All the micro arguments and discussions here are absolutely pointless and even more meaningless even though we think they are important. We are a blip on the overall landscape.

It's about nipping this little nuisance in the bud early to BT.

If 10% of smokers globally convert to vaping by 2025 as an example, that is not a blip.

 

[DC2]

No argument there but even if some vapers positively need to continue liquid nic it's still just a tempest in a teapot .... Simply take your age and do the math to estimate how much total 100 % nic you'll need to add and dilute into to your always available future VG. And buy it now

Yes indeed.

I have my 10 years worth of nicotine in the freezer.
Actually, I have 20 years worth, but don't know how long it will really last.

I've also got more set aside for my sister and brother-in-law who don't follow what's going on.
And it's them, and people like them that I'm concerned about.

And perhaps even more so those that still smoke and don't care yet.
But someday, they will, as will those that care about them.

 

[wizardofozone]

Yes indeed.

I have my 10 years worth of nicotine in the freezer.
Actually, I have 20 years worth, but don't know how long it will really last.

I've also got more set aside for my sister and brother-in-law who don't follow what's going on.
And it's them, and people like them that I'm concerned about.

And perhaps even more so those that still smoke and don't care yet.
But someday, they will, as will those that care about them.

Ok, I get your point and I apologize .... It is quite hard to pretend I or anyone else is going to hoard liquid nic for the possible 'tobacco salvation' of others ..... I was truly only suggesting that CURRENT vapers worried about what the government might do next start personal hoarding for themselves .... I wasn't suggesting we vapers become 'tobacco batmen' for future vaping world salvation. My Bad .... But in reality it comes down to what each of us truly decides is more doable .... Hoard for ourselves and perhaps a few friends or reletives ..... Or imitate a Kent State like get together to demand exactly what we demand .... (Ya, we've all see in past time how that always works out ....)

 

[DC2]

Hoard for ourselves and perhaps a few friends or reletives ..... Or imitate a Kent State like get together to demand exactly what we demand .... (Ya, we've all see in past time how that always works out ....)

My suggestion, as always, would be to do both.