Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

[smokinGAVIN]

You mean the pro-authentic. I buy clones because I can't justify spending $200 (average for a mod) on just a tube that is supposed to save me money and keep me off smoking. And that's just a mod. Another $100 for a topper is outrageous. Yes there are cheaper authentic mods but my purpose was to save money instead of smoking. So really it's just whatever keeps you off smoking.

You just said it, there are cheaper authentic mods.

 

[zoiDman]

I can understand someone making the choice to only buy authentic products because of whatever personal reason they have. Whether they feel cloning = theft, they believe it's a superior product, etc. What I don't understand is why some people seem to actually be offended that other people disagree with those reasons and make a choice to buy cloned products. Does it affect you in any way? It just comes off as sour grapes. "I spent $180 on this atty/mod and this person only had to spend $18! No fair!" Is that always the case? Of course not. I don't personally know any of the pro-authentic people and I'm not going to pretend to know what's going on in their heads. But this is how a lot of them come across to me. Just throwing that out there.

To me, I guess it just comes down to if a Person makes something that is Original and Unique, Does that person have the Right to Not have other people Rip Off His design?

I think they Do/Should.

But this is Just Me.

 

[zoiDman]

To me, I guess it just comes down to if a Person makes something that is Original and Unique, Does that person have the Right to Not have other people Rip Off His design?

I think the Do/Should.

But this is Just Me.

BTW - In the Interest of Fairness. I don't get Very Bent over people who Buy Clones. I get Bent at the People who Sell Clones.

Because they Can't use the Excuse that they are just Doing it to Not Smoke. Or to Save Money.

People who Sell Clones are doing it for One and One Reason Only. To Make Money.

 

[USMCotaku]

Retail is always about money.... But open up a shop and try and stock your shelves with authentic only mods.... See how many you will be able to acquire, bet not enough to keep your doors open.
Steve's argument falls apart when he says it's ok to steal design from Chinese companies, cause it's just payback. You can't hold one level of moral standards to one side and not the other. What this really tells us is the lower standard is in truth your personal moral level. Your moral anti clone high horse is a facade. I won't begin to try and guess your true motivation, but with that one comment your true colors have shown
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[stevegmu]

Retail is always about money.... But open up a shop and try and stock your shelves with authentic only mods.... See how many you will be able to acquire, bet not enough to keep your doors open.
Steve's argument falls apart when he says it's ok to steal design from Chinese companies, cause it's just payback. You can't hold one level of moral standards to one side and not the other. What this really tells us is the lower standard is in truth your personal moral level. Your moral anti clone high horse is a facade. I won't begin to try and guess your true motivation, but with that one comment your true colors have shown
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

I am against violence. I certainly wouldn't grab just anyone by the throat, back them up against a wall and punch them in the face and put them to the ground. That would be against my moral code. However, when one inappropriately touched one of my ladies at a club after repeated warnings... I have no moral dilemmas when dealing with criminals; they don't deserve the same courtesy or respect as the law abiding citizen. No, I don't care if the counterfeiters get counterfeited...

 

[zoiDman]

Retail is always about money.... But open up a shop and try and stock your shelves with authentic only mods.... See how many you will be able to acquire, bet not enough to keep your doors open.Steve's argument falls apart when he says it's ok to steal design from Chinese companies, cause it's just payback. You can't hold one level of moral standards to one side and not the other. What this really tells us is the lower standard is in truth your personal moral level. Your moral anti clone high horse is a facade. I won't begin to try and guess your true motivation, but with that one comment your true colors have shown
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

So it is OK to Open Up a store and sell Cloned e-Cigarette Hardware?

OK.

So why is it I Can't do the Same Thing with Pirated DVD's. Bootleg Software. And Knock-Off Rolex Watches?

 

[zoiDman]

Retail is always about money.... But open up a shop and try and stock your shelves with authentic only mods.... See how many you will be able to acquire, bet not enough to keep your doors open.
Steve's argument falls apart when he says it's ok to steal design from Chinese companies, cause it's just payback. You can't hold one level of moral standards to one side and not the other. What this really tells us is the lower standard is in truth your personal moral level. Your moral anti clone high horse is a facade. I won't begin to try and guess your true motivation, but with that one comment your true colors have shown
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

BTW - I'm not Fighting for Steve's Argument.

And think he got Painted into a Corner a Long Time ago.

 

[AndriaD]

I don't think that vaping to get of smokes is about saving money. At least not in my case. I end up buying almost everything new that i see. I spend a lot more than I would have spent on smokes. Money should not be the issue. Living a longer and healthier life is priceless.

Money damn well is the issue when your GROSS income is less than $30k annually! Tell me truly now.. is there anyone else in here who REGULARLY lives on less than $2000 a month (for 2 people)? Because if we get a $1000 half-month check, there is wild rejoicing going on, we can actually pay everything, buy food, and not have to worry!


Andria

 

[Bikenstein]

Seems like if the Price was the Same for the Clone as it was for the Genuine that the Moral High Ground would be a Little Higher.

But the price is not the same. If it was clones wouldn't sell and not because of morals.. Some people don't like the Chinese. I don't like Wal Mart. I think we need to talk about Wal Mart

 

[zoiDman]

But the price is not the same. If it was clones wouldn't sell and not because of morals.. Some people don't like the Chinese. I don't like Wal Mart. I think we need to talk about Wal Mart

So what role does Price Play when Someone decides to Buy from the Person who thought Up and put up the Money to make a Design Happen verses from the Person who Ripped Off the Design and makes Clones?

Seems like it is an Easy Moral Choice when the Prices is Same Same.

But Something happens when the Price of the Clones goes Down.

 

[Darryl Licht]

So it is OK to Open Up a store and sell Cloned e-Cigarette Hardware?

OK.

So why is it I Can't do the Same Thing with Pirated DVD's. Bootleg Software. And Knock-Off Rolex Watches?

Oh you can! But...

 

[Stosh]

So what role does Price Play when Someone decides to Buy from the Person who thought Up and put up the Money to make a Design Happen verses from the Person who Ripped Off the Design and makes Clones?

Seems like it is an Easy Moral Choice when the Prices is Same Same.

But Something happens when the Price of the Clones goes Down.

But if the clone has better QC and is available today without a 6 month wait, price is not as important.....

 

[Stosh]

So it is OK to Open Up a store and sell Cloned e-Cigarette Hardware?

OK.

So why is it I Can't do the Same Thing with Pirated DVD's. Bootleg Software. And Knock-Off Rolex Watches?

Ummm, because they have actual registered trademarks, copyrights and patents, maybe.....

 

[USMCotaku]

So it is OK to Open Up a store and sell Cloned e-Cigarette Hardware?

OK.

So why is it I Can't do the Same Thing with Pirated DVD's. Bootleg Software. And Knock-Off Rolex Watches?

Because those items all fall under copyright and trademark infringement.
Most modders don't take the time and money to legally protect their wares. A notable exception would be the Hana mods, which is why the clones reproducing their logo got pulled from shelves.

 

[Bunnykiller]

So it is OK to Open Up a store and sell Cloned e-Cigarette Hardware?

OK.

So why is it I Can't do the Same Thing with Pirated DVD's. Bootleg Software. And Knock-Off Rolex Watches?

depends on how much you are selling them for...... clone price or authentic price

 

[USMCotaku]

BTW - I'm not Fighting for Steve's Argument.

And think he got Painted into a Corner a Long Time ago.

Glad someone sees it

 

[Bunnykiller]

the immoral part is passing off a clone as an authentic.... along with the authentic pricetag...

 

[zoiDman]

But if the clone has better QC and is available today without a 6 month wait, price is not as important.....

That's Viable.

But when I go to Fasttech I see Clones and Genuine products Both in stock and Side by Side. And the Reviews about the Clones Isn't Also as Gleaming as for the Genuine.

 

[zoiDman]

Ummm, because they have actual registered trademarks, copyrights and patents, maybe.....

Hmmmm.

So maybe the Breakdown is in the Enforcement of "Intellectual Properties" Rights in China perhaps?

 

[USMCotaku]

the immoral part is passing off a clone as an authentic.... along with the authentic pricetag...

I see people on CL doing so all the time...... That is another discussion entirely, and those people are there lowest of the low