Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

[Bikenstein]

That is exactely what I thought before I started to read on forums. I didn`t even imagine the Word clones when i got my first starter kit With egos and kanger protanks With now logos on them. I had no Clue where they where made, or by who. And I think that is the case for most New vapers. It turned out, that my first Upgrade to vision spinners, was clones,and they have for sure lasted longer and worked better than my genuine vision spinner v2 1600 mah. The batterylife on the two 1300 mah clones, was much better.

Are you sure you didn't buy that Spinner Clone to look cool?

 

[DaveSignal]

Could you tell the difference in a blind test from a 30 usd kayfun, from a 180 usd kayfun? I doubt that.

Sorry for all my posts. I just respond to each post I find interessting. I will try to read the hole tread before I reply from now on.

I think you misunderstood the supposition. The idea was to compare a clone that sells for some price, say $30, to an authentic of any other device that happens to also sell for $30. But, of course, two different devices with different styles are going to be vastly different and immediately noticeable even blind.

 

[USMCotaku]

Apparently, if it makes vapor that should be good enough for you. No searching for a better vape on a budget allowed. You like to build a certain way, that happens to fit in a certain style of atty better? Too bad....to appease my personal moral beliefs, you can only use these attys, cause they work good too.

Now doesn't that stance sound silly when you actually put it into words?
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Just curious with all the uproar over counterfeit products in this industry, why so many vapers knowingly buy clones?

Seems counterproductive to me...?

I buy clones AMD authentic ... sometimes the clone has an improvement not offered on the authentic, sometimes the authentic is impossible to find, for expensive (over 150$) I get a clone to try, if I like it i'll give it away and get the authentic.

Also, when I first started vapimg I had no clue what I would like so I bought a bunch of clone gear to sort it out.

 

[Bad Ninja]

They're an expensive Swiss made watch, that's oft copied by the... yep... Chinese!

Lol and every country in Europe.
The better fakes have Swiss ETA movements and keep better time than a Rolex.

High end watches for the most part are jewelry.
No one buys a $20k watch to tell time.

 

[bobwho77]

User error. New vapers who should have learned on clearos jumping into 100watt box mods and RTAs...

Build a device that's completely idiot proof, and only an idiot would use it

 

[bullet08]

Build a device that's completely idiot proof, and only an idiot would use it

sad things is even with idiot proof system, some idiots can't use them.. i have seen them in action..

 

[MacTechVpr]

Even with two devices that are the same general style, like two RDAs, almost anyone could tell the difference. Such as my Samurai clone that I bought for around $25-$30 and my Mutation-X V2 that was around the same price. First off, anyone blindfolded could tell instantly just by the different sized drip tips, but ignoring that, you would still be able to tell differently because the draw is hugely different, the flavor is hugely different, and they make a different sound when the coils light up and you are pulling on it. Thats just one price-comparable example, but I could quickly pick out a huge amount of different devices blindfolded.

And quite often vape temp is different enough to be significant. There's is no comparison IMO between the materials in an authentic VHO Raiju and clones I've owned or encountered. Likewise for real authentics of the MutX or 454. I could go on. It's a crap shoot with a clone, even if you occasionally pull a good one. They're good for the preview even if the impression falls short. I'd rather sample an authentic whenever possible.

Nobody really likes cheap beer. Except when we believe the real deal cannot be had.

Good luck all.

 

[bullet08]

so.. if a person does blind test with clone 1:1 magma and authentic magma.. they will be able to tell the difference? i highly doubt that. i can tell the different in different bamboo sword in there weight distribution and how they cut when hitting the target. or weight balance of bokken. i can tell the difference between two different bagpipes from same manufacturer. but they are all made out of natural material with hand. but with machine parts made with similar property to similar spec.. i'm rather doubtful they will have that much of difference for most casual vapers to tell the difference.

 

[MacTechVpr]

so.. if a person does blind test with clone 1:1 magma and authentic magma.. they will be able to tell the difference? i highly doubt that. i can tell the different in different bamboo sword in there weight distribution and how they cut when hitting the target. or weight balance of bokken. i can tell the difference between two different bagpipes from same manufacturer. but they are all made out of natural material with hand. but with machine parts made with similar property to similar spec.. i'm rather doubtful they will have that much of difference for most casual vapers to tell the difference.

Make a good point bullet. Average user don't make a consistent build. Matched quality winds make these differences more apparent. And they're not difficult to accomplish. Get there, then the value starts to take on more meaning.

Easy to make a huge inventory of casual and still not have a good vape.

I'd concentrate on the skills before the mod.

Good luck.

 

[Darryl Licht]

Make a good point bullet. Average user don't make a consistent build. Matched quality winds make these differences more apparent. And they're not difficult to accomplish. Get there, then the value starts to take on more meaning.

Easy to make a huge inventory of casual and still not have a good vape.

I'd concentrate on the skills before the mod.

Good luck.

Give us details on this SubTank Mini RBA build please...

The lead in the front appears to be twisted, but the coil looks like flat wire?

 

[MacTechVpr]

Give us details on this SubTank Mini RBA build please...

The lead in the front appears to be twisted, but the coil looks like flat wire?

Thanks for the interest D. Good pick-up.

The wind's a tensioned micro coil based twisted lead parallel (the appearance is due to its precise symmetry). Cited a link to its specs and comments on the wind spec method of annotation on my post...Link your coil specs to steam-engine.com's web app, here's how...

More info on tensioned tech and t/l parallels is available on the threads...

Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.

including posts regarding this wind.

I introduced a very simple method to employ strain (tension) to wind precise proper electrical coils for vaping along with techniques for their use and installation. The idea is geared to getting new vapers repeatable results asap…and a great vape.

Hope you'll try it and pass it on.

Enjoy the vape.



p.s. Yes, it is interesting how the twained pairs behave like flat-wire with this level of oxidized adhesion.

 

[wonkeypickle]

so.. if a person does blind test with clone 1:1 magma and authentic magma.. they will be able to tell the difference? i highly doubt that. i can tell the different in different bamboo sword in there weight distribution and how they cut when hitting the target. or weight balance of bokken. i can tell the difference between two different bagpipes from same manufacturer. but they are all made out of natural material with hand. but with machine parts made with similar property to similar spec.. i'm rather doubtful they will have that much of difference for most casual vapers to tell the difference.

i disagree. you've obviously stated your interest in swords, and how one such as yourself could tell a lack of quality between peices. what makes you believe that someone just as interested in vaping couldn't tell the difference between a clone and an original?

 

[HgA1C]

i disagree. you've obviously stated your interest in swords, and how one such as yourself could tell a lack of quality between peices. what makes you believe that someone just as interested in vaping couldn't tell the difference between a clone and an original?

Swords and weapons rely on the metallurgical, grain/forging, tempering, and metal composition of the sword in a functional manner. An atty relies on the machining and type of metal. The vapor comes from the coil and wick and the atty is just the vessel that conveys the vapor. A good analogy would be the different style of glasses people drink beverages from. Overall, the shape is highly important, but the glass and what company makes the glass is significantly less or even not important.

 

[Derty]

Just curious with all the uproar over counterfeit products in this industry, why so many vapers knowingly buy clones?

Seems counterproductive to me...?

Might i add... define counterfeit. I'm willing to bet my weight in gold *i'll work it off if i have to* *im a pretty hefty guy* that at LEAST 75% of the current mechs on the market aren't patented.. why? oh RIGHT! Its a threaded tube. It's a flash light MODified to work for our needs. You can't really patent over an old patent thats used by everyone else. The MOST mech makers could do is copyright the logos... and im fairly confident they don't do that either as i have yet to see the little "c" on any 'official' mod some mook paid over 100 bucks for.

thus: no patent, no copyright, then a clone is simply a copy not a counterfeit, and often times its a better version... sad but true :3

 

[Bad Ninja]

Might i add... define counterfeit. I'm willing to bet my weight in gold *i'll work it off if i have to* *im a pretty hefty guy* that at LEAST 75% of the current mechs on the market aren't patented.. why? oh RIGHT! Its a threaded tube. It's a flash light MODified to work for our needs. You can't really patent over an old patent thats used by everyone else. The MOST mech makers could do is copyright the logos... and im fairly confident they don't do that either as i have yet to see the little "c" on any 'official' mod some mook paid over 100 bucks for.

thus: no patent, no copyright, then a clone is simply a copy not a counterfeit, and often times its a better version... sad but true :3

Lol
Someone didn't bother to read the 104 page thread before posting a reply.

 

[Darryl Licht]

Thanks for the interest D. Good pick-up.

The wind's a tensioned micro coil based twisted lead parallel (the appearance is due to its precise symmetry). Cited a link to its specs and comments on the wind spec method of annotation on my post...Link your coil specs to steam-engine.com's web app, here's how...

More info on tensioned tech and t/l parallels is available on the threads...

Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.

including posts regarding this wind.

I introduced a very simple method to employ strain (tension) to wind precise proper electrical coils for vaping along with techniques for their use and installation. The idea is geared to getting new vapers repeatable results asap…and a great vape.

Hope you'll try it and pass it on.

Enjoy the vape.



p.s. Yes, it is interesting how the twained pairs behave like flat-wire with this level of oxidized adhesion.



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Scanning through your links now!

Thanks, the shot of the cold coils shows more than when heated!

 

[smokinGAVIN]

Might i add... define counterfeit. I'm willing to bet my weight in gold *i'll work it off if i have to* *im a pretty hefty guy* that at LEAST 75% of the current mechs on the market aren't patented.. why? oh RIGHT! Its a threaded tube. It's a flash light MODified to work for our needs. You can't really patent over an old patent thats used by everyone else. The MOST mech makers could do is copyright the logos... and im fairly confident they don't do that either as i have yet to see the little "c" on any 'official' mod some mook paid over 100 bucks for.

thus: no patent, no copyright, then a clone is simply a copy not a counterfeit, and often times its a better version... sad but true :3

Please take time to look beyond the metal tube. There are so many other devices that are cloned from Atomisers to Regulated Mods.

On another note, I agree with you that Tube Mechs should not cost that much but it is the Makers prerogative to charge what he wants for his mod. How the market will take it is his risk. That being said I still don't think it should be copied. Like everyone says, a tube is a tube so if they are not willing to pay for the authentic then why buy it's clone? The tube should function the same way no matter what it looks like so why not just get a cheaper authentic tube?

 

[Bad Ninja]

Like everyone says, a tube is a tube so if they are not willing to pay for the authentic then why buy it's clone? The tube should function the same way no matter what it looks like so why not just get a cheaper authentic tube?

Would you pay $500 for a pair of designer jeans? $300 for a t shirt? $100 for a pencil?
It's the manufacturers prerogative to charge what they want.
But if you charge $250 for a product that can obviously be made and retailed for a fraction of the cost you have made a poor business move and another business will soon pick up your slack, and capitalize on your mistake.
Can't get greedy in an open market. Poor business models and amateurs hyping non existent inventory created the clone monster.

Authentic modders created their own worst enemy.

 

[havoc1967]

I am starting to think that this argument is never going away To me it cannot possibly be any simpler. Buy what you want and use what you want. Don't worry about what mods I buy because honestly I could not possibly care any less what you buy.