Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

[siapaya]

some people buy authentic only and don't like clones. some people buy clone only and don't like authentic. Some people don't care and will buy whatever is a good product at a price they agree with.
Whatever makes you happy. We are all just vapers, enjoying our vapor.

Big agree on this. Clone or Authentic, we're doing same stuff here ( maybe, some are in different level ).

Look man, your rhetoric is demeaning. These are not English forums, they are vaping forums. And everything that the poster stated was perfectly understandable. If any one is acting like an adolescent, it is you, by criticizing everyone else that doesn't vape using the products you do, or doesn't talk the way that you do, or comes from a different place than you. Just relax. Everyone on these forums is here because they are interested in the same pastime as you. I'm not sure why there is a need to pick at them.

I'm sure he just have a thing to defend, and looking at his contribution to this forum ( which are quite lot ), that only prove one thing. We all try to do something better than smoking the analogs.

purchased 4 clone atties to see if i feel any guilt... nope... slept like a log last night.

Me too.. but sometimes I think for 10-15 dollars cheaper, I should buy the original atlantis at the beginning ( if I know how to buy it that time )

Can you honestly say that an "imitation" works better than a comparably priced authentic?
In a blind taste test with the same builds, do you really think you would tell a difference?

Some clones just work perfectly. To make it better, someone will need to tweak it. Some people may choose on 1:1 clone for cheaper price, and then modified or tweak it as their will. When things gone bad, it's a cheap clone anyway.

Clone or not, as long as it keep you safe from explosion, metal poisoning, and analogs, they're the same thing. A life safer device.

 

[Bunnykiller]

Now that I'd like to see...

A blind taste test comparing clones and authentics of similar price!

well go out and buy both and find out for yourself... or borrow a clone and make a comparison....

 

[Darryl Licht]

well go out and buy both and find out for yourself... or borrow a clone and make a comparison....

I'm perfectly happy with my growing collection of $30-50 authentic attys.

Because this market is growing by leaps and bounds, I doubt I will (personally) see the need to purchase any imitation/clone/copy/counterfeit device.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I'm perfectly happy with my growing collection of $30-50 authentic attys.

Because this market is growing by leaps and bounds, I doubt I will (personally) see the need to purchase any imitation/clone/copy/counterfeit device.

I did say borrow for testing purposes.... you do want to find out dont you....?

 

[DaveSignal]

Now that I'd like to see...

A blind taste test comparing clones and authentics of similar price!

If they are different devices, of course you will be able to tell the difference, especially if it has different airflow and different top cap. Its going to hit differently. And the flavor will be different. It will have a different sound too. Its a different experience.

 

[crxess]

Now that I'd like to see...

A blind taste test comparing clones and authentics of similar price!

$11.27 Authentic Mini Protank-II BCC Clearomizer (1.0-1.5mL) - translucent / 1.8ohm / extra coil head at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$11.72 Orchid Styled Rebuildable Tank Atomizer (2.5-3.0ml) - stainless steel + PMMA tank / 23.2mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

These 2 are pretty close in price and I'll Bet almost anyone could tell the difference, blindfolded.

 

[HgA1C]

The authentic maker's have enjoyed a great deal of free press and an expanded market due to clones. Here is a little math to prove a point. roughly $3,000,000,000 in sales last year, and lets say that clones account for just 10% of those sales which would mean $300,000,000 in sales from clones. Now lets say that the average clone price is $30. That would mean that 10,000,000 items sold were clones. Now lets say that there are 100 authentic makers in the market which had product cloned for a total of 100,000 devices per maker.

There is no way authentic makers could hit this critical mass to actually permit the vaping market to hit saturation. Most authentic makers produce in the hundreds to possibly the low 10,000's of products per year, this is not even close to my low ball estimate of 100,000 clones each from an exaggerated 100 different makers. Almost all members from the last 2 years would not be here if the clones did not exist.

In addition, no one would give crap about a product in which a niche maker produces only a few thousand pieces a year. Vaping was created as a utilitarian market and the critical mass has permitted these "authentic" makers to capitalize and gain fame. Which subsequently permitted a luxury market to be created.

There would be no 2 dozen vape shops within minutes of anyone if clones did not exist. So pay some respect to the clone makers for actually delivering product to vaper's hands. They have more skin in this game than almost any of the actual original mod creators which they cloned. /end thread

 

[DaveSignal]

$11.27 Authentic Mini Protank-II BCC Clearomizer (1.0-1.5mL) - translucent / 1.8ohm / extra coil head at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$11.72 Orchid Styled Rebuildable Tank Atomizer (2.5-3.0ml) - stainless steel + PMMA tank / 23.2mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

These 2 are pretty close in price and I'll Bet almost anyone could tell the difference, blindfolded.

Even with two devices that are the same general style, like two RDAs, almost anyone could tell the difference. Such as my Samurai clone that I bought for around $25-$30 and my Mutation-X V2 that was around the same price. First off, anyone blindfolded could tell instantly just by the different sized drip tips, but ignoring that, you would still be able to tell differently because the draw is hugely different, the flavor is hugely different, and they make a different sound when the coils light up and you are pulling on it. Thats just one price-comparable example, but I could quickly pick out a huge amount of different devices blindfolded.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I've worked on hundreds of mods for 3 local vape shops.
I own over 60 mods clones and authentics and probably 10 lbs of attys.
There is no huge difference in build quality.
Anyone who has been vaping for a while knows this.
Go to a B&M that sells both and see for yourself.

Example: My $17 king clone is better built than my SuperT workhorse.
And I am a huge supporter of SuperT, who has better quality products than 99% of the authentic modders out there.

 

[snork]

I've worked on hundreds of mods for 3 local vape shops.
I own over 60 mods clones and authentics and probably 10 lbs of attys.
There is no huge difference in build quality.
Anyone who has been vaping for a while knows this.
Go to a B&M that sells both and see for yourself.

Example: My $17 king clone is better built than my SuperT workhorse.
And I am a huge supporter of SuperT, who has better quality products than 99% of the authentic modders out there.

Bad example, Bad Ninja. You should know that the WorkHorse was the result of bringing *down* the quality of the mod, decreasing machine time and independent parts to try and compete with the flood of cheap Chinese counterfeits we've allowed to become our staple. If you compare apples to apples - the counterfeit ELA, one of the few Super-T's which was attempted to be counterfeited, was described as "janky as hell" even at a hefty 49.00 clone price.

 

[Wilazn]

But they spent $1000s on cigarettes...

Your analogy is quite flawed

 

[fredrikstad]

I think it is pretty clear the buyer of the $30 'clone' wants the look of the $180 authentic...

I for one want the performance. I could not care less how it looks and what logo or not it is on it.They could name it poo or thrash, as long as it performs well,are convinient to use and doesn`t suck the .... of my wallet.

 

[fredrikstad]

I think the human brain automatically sees items openly and widely marketed as being ok, morally and legally. That's why people don't associate the word clone with
an action of wrongdoing as in stealing another's design and selling it for profit. They assume that the item must be just a similar design or something that doesn't really infringe on another's rights or it is a re-brand possibly done with the authorization of the original designer. They think the OM would certainly have stopped them if it was wrong and they had a legal right to do so. When someone points out the clone activity includes 1:1 cloning with trademarks included, they ask "Well, why didn't they do what seems to be the normal thing and get copyrights or patents?" "And, regardless of start up or development costs, why are the clones able to be sold at such a lower price?" Without sufficient answers to their questions, they resort to what they originally determined that these products are ok to buy and sell. I stopped the cloning of my line of fitness equipment without copyrights and patents in an inexpensive lawsuit.

That is exactely what I thought before I started to read on forums. I didn`t even imagine the Word clones when i got my first starter kit With egos and kanger protanks With now logos on them. I had no Clue where they where made, or by who. And I think that is the case for most New vapers. It turned out, that my first Upgrade to vision spinners, was clones,and they have for sure lasted longer and worked better than my genuine vision spinner v2 1600 mah. The batterylife on the two 1300 mah clones, was much better.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Bad example, Bad Ninja. You should know that the WorkHorse was the result of bringing *down* the quality of the mod, decreasing machine time and independent parts to try and compete with the flood of cheap Chinese counterfeits we've allowed to become our staple. If you compare apples to apples - the counterfeit ELA, one of the few Super-T's which was attempted to be counterfeited, was described as "janky as hell" even at a hefty 49.00 clone price.

Okay, my Hotcig launcher v2 clone is just as well built as an ELA. And better built than most authentics.
I love SuperT. Excellent company, fantastic CS. I love and miss them.
Fact is, it's just simple machine work on soft metal.
Sorry to pop yer bubble.
If you buy authentics expecting a huge quality difference you are in for a rude awakening.
There are other reasons for buying authentic over a clone.
Build quality and performance differences are minimal at best.

Don't take my word for it, go to a B&M that sells high quality clones and authentics and you'll see.

 

[fredrikstad]

To me that's the heart of it! Again you can buy a $30 clone/counterfeit of a $150+ authentic atty to look cool.

OR

Buy one of many good authentic attys that do the same thing at $50 and under!

It`s more convinent to have several attys, who work good. CE4s doesn`t do the job that good. And several clones do a better job than the genuine ones. Do you think the same when Your are buying spoons and forks? You are buying clones of someones idea.

 

[fredrikstad]

Or, just maybe, a certain design suits you better, fits your build style etc.. But you can't or won't pay the ridiculous price tag of an authentic. Sure you can get authentics for cheaper, but if they aren't what you need or want, that's irrelevant. I'm not a collector, each device I have, real or clone, fills a specific need.
The only thing clones can be proven to hurt is peoples pride, both modders and the people who over pay them. I couldn't care less about someone's pride. Oh noes, they copied my design and are selling it cheaper, that's going to hurt my profits! You mean the profits on the device that you have a month long or more waiting list on? The one you can't produce fast enough to meet market demand on? Yeah, your profits are hurting.
I used to do farrier work for a living. My bread and butter wasn't in fancy high dollar shoe jobs, I had very few clients that wanted that kind of work. I made most of my money by providing good, fundamentally sound, proper hoof trims, for cheaper then most other farriers. What I lost per trim by lower prices, I made up for in volume. If there was another farrier doing them for lower then I was willing to go, I kept my clients by providing higher quality work.
We're talking a difference of 5-10 dollars a head difference. Value for the money. In most cases these modders are NOT providing enough quality difference to justify a difference in price of 5x or more, and in some cases the quality has been shown to be equal or even less then the cheaper clone. You want to stop clones? Put out quality products for reasonable prices. Maybe put out some special high dollar limited editions now and then to appease the ego needs of some vapers, problem solved
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

Ten Points Sir. My thoughts explained With better English. Thank you

 

[fredrikstad]

Authentic, Clone, or Counterfeit Atty; none is worth more than $60! IMHO! It's a tiny piece of mass produced CNC milled stainless steel... just not worth the cost - no matter who's name is on it!

I see many young, skinny jeans wearing, "know nothings" come into my neighborhood shop and the vast majority of them are not the folks you speak of. They're bringing in attys and mods that are clones of the good stuff and its the only mod they own which 9 times outta 10 the mod and/or the atty is jacked up due to user error.

Unlike a connoisseur/collector like yourself, they've purchased them in an attempt to be something they're not... hip, cool, smart, wealthy, vape connoisseurs! In reality they're just dumb posers!

It looks like you have forgotten how it was to be Young and get picked on and freezed out if you don`t have the rigt this and that. It is important to them the get along With "the cool popular" dud or girl. If not, you suffer from bullies. This is not a issue for me, like I said, I couldn`t care less what a atty is named or who has built it. I never take any of my vape gir, except my egos outside. I am an adult in my 40s. My co workers would laugh at me if I told them I spend 50 USD on a mod. When I started, there was nobody on my working Place who vaped. I had to buy what the dud in the B and M told me I need

Point is, don`t forget you have been a kid,with parents handing you a few bucks now and then.
Hope my Engish make some sense here

 

[fredrikstad]

Yes So Cal is in fact a messed up place! Complete with an inordinate amount of plastic people and wanna bees!

But I'm also in the mecca of the vape world, I don't have to travel more than 10 miles and I've got no less than 2 dozen vape shops in that circle. Some are owned and operated by legitimate Americans trying to earn a living by doing business the right way, others are owned by foreigners just trying to make a buck! I refuse to spend my hard earned $ at the latter!

And yes, some of these clone owners may have been duped by unscrupulous shop owners/employees, but the ones I have observed all know they have a blankity blank brand clone! So I doubt it!

In my country, there are 3- just three B and M for a population of 5 millons, and they are not allowed to advertise, neigther to sell nicotine. And two of them are operated by legitimate Norwegians. But they have no issues what so ever to sell you a clone to the price of a genuine( It has gotten better thoug). And the majority of Norway`s 100k vapers, I assume 70 to 80% just doesn`t know about this clone thing.

 

[fredrikstad]

Can you honestly say that an "imitation" works better than a comparably priced authentic?
In a blind taste test with the same builds, do you really think you would tell a difference?

So why on Earth pay ten times more for something you can`t telle the difference in taste? You prove Our Points mate

 

[fredrikstad]

Now that I'd like to see...

A blind taste test comparing clones and authentics of similar price!

Could you tell the difference in a blind test from a 30 usd kayfun, from a 180 usd kayfun? I doubt that.

Sorry for all my posts. I just respond to each post I find interessting. I will try to read the hole tread before I reply from now on.