Why do so many people want to build to 0.1ohm?
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Exactly. Thank you.
That's the trouble with these flat threaded forums; people conflate multiple posts and respond to one somebody about something that that somebody did not say, and fail to respond to what that somebody did say.
LOL@pg 1 of the thread...
Wonder if some cloud chaser/motorhead might get an idea to stick a giant wick in there...
Wonder if some cloud chaser/motorhead might get an idea to stick a giant wick in there...
Probably get the proper temperature with the wick held about 3 feet away from it.
At the risk of annoying some personally I like the vast majority vape to stay off cigarettes no one can say they need 0.1ohm builds to do this and can we also stop the whole "innovation" argument in relation to extreme low ohm builds those who do it whether they think they are safe or not are a miniscule minority of the vaping community just because you shout loudly doesn't make you any less miniscule. No one in industry is looking and thinking we must innovate, research, spend millions developing a safe battery for these people it's a fringe activity with a lot of people doing it that never smoked and are vaping because of some ridiculous cool factor that seems to have sprung up. Also the "nothing vapers do is causing problems" this last year we've had more videos of people cloud chasing, battery's venting and basically stupid stuff and in the last year what was a threat has become a reality for many in the US (my thoughts and sympathies go out to all US vapers affected by stupid legislation) and in the UK we're now having to defend against vaping excess to those who are making their mind up about what to do with vaping.
When vaping was just about smoking cessation politicians may have wanted to do something but knew it would be hard to hit something people were doing to try and improve their health and an activity that medium to long term could substantially reduce healthcare costs. Now it isn't just about smoking cessation or harm reduction and day after day ammo by the container load is uploaded on youtube to be used against vaping and it's working. Antz are a part of the problem but do we really need to hand them free shots and make it easy for politicians.
When vaping was just about smoking cessation politicians may have wanted to do something but knew it would be hard to hit something people were doing to try and improve their health and an activity that medium to long term could substantially reduce healthcare costs. Now it isn't just about smoking cessation or harm reduction and day after day ammo by the container load is uploaded on youtube to be used against vaping and it's working. Antz are a part of the problem but do we really need to hand them free shots and make it easy for politicians.
If you Vape ultra low loads and Enjoy it - Great!
Enjoy what you do and keep the Specs to yourself.
Let others find their own way and hopefully learn something along the Way.
One individuals ability to do something inherently Unsafe in a semi-safe manor has nothing to do with what another may be able to accomplish.
You've got a great point mate. Ultimately we all have the freedom to do whatever we want. Nobody can stop another from trying something or even convince them to try it in the first place.
What we should all agree on, at the very least, is that sub-ohm is a reserved practice which should be utilized by experienced hands only. It should not be available to new vapers, period. If somebody new wants to give it a shot, hey that's great! I support that! Now here's about 50 pages worth of homework for you to study.
Crazy as doing .1 ohm build is, I know it's quite possible to do without blowing anything up given the right gear, the right mind, and the right kind of diligence to see it done correctly. I still don't agree that it's a great idea, to each their own. I certainly won't behest someone for seeing their dreams come to fruition.
It's like we need some sort of certification course or Vaper University! I'm serious. You should be able to take a test and check off at least 90% on the following categories:
~Ohm's Law
~What is a short?
~How to be certain your battery has the desired maximum continuous amperage output
~How to make sure your gear stays tip-top, including monitoring your batteries voltage before and after charging, etc
At .1 ohm it's such a risky endeavor, something as simple as voltage drop could spell disaster. Say you accidentally wipe your positive pin against something soft while changing battery or doing maintenance. There was a few specs of dust or a smudge that gets removed. Now your batteries are pulling 84 Amps as opposed to the 42 you're expecting.... we all know what happens next.
I admit that scenario is very improbable but then again so are meteor showers. Those still happen. Our fears and worries are not unfounded in the slightest. If you truly believe you are quite capable of building .1 ohm coil and vaping safely... congratulations!! I applaud your audacity and ability to laugh maniacally at death's face. You're certainly a master of the art if you can pull it off.
But again... do we really want newbie vapers attempting the same? Even someone who can build accurate coils and has a general understanding would be wading into deep waters. There's a possibility here for the situation to escalate if a trend emerges. Perfect storm so to speak. I cannot help but be the voice of reason it's just my nature. Honestly if you want to vape at 100 watts+ just get a 100W+ VW mod. I'll tell that to anyone looking to build below .3 ohms.
So what we really need is education and publicity among fellow vapers concerning the subject and warning new users of the risks. Or a Vaper University. Personally I'm rooting for the latter cause that would be freakin' awesome
This isn't about pushing the envelope it's about common sense.
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Thank you for having the most sensible statement in the entire argument!!
These are the times I miss baditude!
You've got a great point mate. Ultimately we all have the freedom to do whatever we want. Nobody can stop another from trying something or even convince them to try it in the first place.
What we should all agree on, at the very least, is that sub-ohm is a reserved practice which should be utilized by experienced hands only. It should not be available to new vapers, period. If somebody new wants to give it a shot, hey that's great! I support that! Now here's about 50 pages worth of homework for you to study.
Crazy as doing .1 ohm build is, I know it's quite possible to do without blowing anything up given the right gear, the right mind, and the right kind of diligence to see it done correctly. I still don't agree that it's a great idea, to each their own. I certainly won't behest someone for seeing their dreams come to fruition.
It's like we need some sort of certification course or Vaper University! I'm serious. You should be able to take a test and check off at least 90% on the following categories:
~Ohm's Law
~What is a short?
~How to be certain your battery has the desired maximum continuous amperage output
~How to make sure your gear stays tip-top, including monitoring your batteries voltage before and after charging, etc
At .1 ohm it's such a risky endeavor, something as simple as voltage drop could spell disaster. Say you accidentally wipe your positive pin against something soft while changing battery or doing maintenance. There was a few specs of dust or a smudge that gets removed. Now your batteries are pulling 84 Amps as opposed to the 42 you're expecting.... we all know what happens next.
I admit that scenario is very improbable but then again so are meteor showers. Those still happen. Our fears and worries are not unfounded in the slightest. If you truly believe you are quite capable of building .1 ohm coil and vaping safely... congratulations!! I applaud your audacity and ability to laugh maniacally at death's face. You're certainly a master of the art if you can pull it off.
But again... do we really want newbie vapers attempting the same? Even someone who can build accurate coils and has a general understanding would be wading into deep waters. There's a possibility here for the situation to escalate if a trend emerges. Perfect storm so to speak. I cannot help but be the voice of reason it's just my nature. Honestly if you want to vape at 100 watts+ just get a 100W+ VW mod. I'll tell that to anyone looking to build below .3 ohms.
So what we really need is education and publicity among fellow vapers concerning the subject and warning new users of the risks. Or a Vaper University. Personally I'm rooting for the latter cause that would be freakin' awesome
This isn't about pushing the envelope it's about common sense.
Thank you for having the most sensible statement in the entire argument!!
These are the times I miss baditude!
Well, I see this thread took a bad turn although I didn't see what was said.
I also feel some didn't read it before responding to me based on what they wrote. Apparently they see me as the vape enforcer who hates cloud chasers I assure you, I'm neither. My biggest concern really was for people to educate themselves before immediately wanting to go to 0.1ohm builds.
And, yeah, I've often read that our typical ohm meters and DMMs can be 0.15 ohm off. So aside from battery limits, there's that, too. Now I haven't seen that proven, but I haven't thoroughly researched it either. Its quite possible that its the truth, but its also quite possible one person posted that and its been parroted on the internet. I don't actually know, but just in case, its another reason I wouldn't want to build below 0.2ohm.
However, if members are going to be rude and call each other names then I would rather the thread be closed.
I also feel some didn't read it before responding to me based on what they wrote. Apparently they see me as the vape enforcer who hates cloud chasers
I assure you, I'm neither. My biggest concern really was for people to educate themselves before immediately wanting to go to 0.1ohm builds.And, yeah, I've often read that our typical ohm meters and DMMs can be 0.15 ohm off. So aside from battery limits, there's that, too. Now I haven't seen that proven, but I haven't thoroughly researched it either. Its quite possible that its the truth, but its also quite possible one person posted that and its been parroted on the internet. I don't actually know, but just in case, its another reason I wouldn't want to build below 0.2ohm.
However, if members are going to be rude and call each other names then I would rather the thread be closed.
*raises hand* That's me! But you ...... the timing when you run nitrous. Just sayin.
I think a lot of it is people think they get a better vape that low. Reality says otherwise. I've had some .1ohm builds, but typically I stay around .6 now. Much better, imo.
He took a personal leave of absence, some personal issues, nothing health related, just living with family without access to the internets. Sucks really, when I started vaping we didn't have a b&m near me and his blogs and posts taught me a lot! To get me started.
Sole people that do can't teach (that's me) other people like him can teach anyone anything about vaping, the fact that I still have hands is proof.
There is the start to tour university right there!!!!
I'll sometimes link noobs to his battery blogs.
Saw him post week or so ago on some thread was perusing.... As u can guess, battery safety thing.
He's around
I don't believe anyone was called a name.Well, I see this thread took a bad turn although I didn't see what was said.
I also feel some didn't read it before responding to me based on what they wrote. Apparently they see me as the vape enforcer who hates cloud chasers
And, yeah, I've often read that our typical ohm meters and DMMs can be 0.15 ohm off. So aside from battery limits, there's that, too. Now I haven't seen that proven, but I haven't thoroughly researched it either. Its quite possible that its the truth, but its also quite possible one person posted that and its been parroted on the internet. I don't actually know, but just in case, its another reason I wouldn't want to build below 0.2ohm.
However, if members are going to be rude and call each other names then I would rather the thread be closed.
Mostly focus on one sentence without accompanying information,
Anything can be taken out of context,
Saw him post week or so ago on some thread was perusing.... As u can guess, battery safety thing.
He's around
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Loves it!!!!!!!!
Proud owner of SEVERAL OF THESE!!!!!
Using one as we speak!!!!
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Lol. Don't even have my clouper mini in hand yet, but researching how to swap in a dna40 board. It's not all hi watts & lo ohms, it's coil temp & efficiency
Imglad there wasn't any name calling, but I request the same consideration (I wrote, "I didn't see what was said."
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