Wizard Labs Nic Base Reviews

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I'm also a fan of glass instead of plastic.

What I'm wondering is if a glass bottle gets filled all the way up, and is then frozen, won't the nic base expand like water would and break the bottle

Expansion does not appear to be an issue. There's a post by Kurt here. There's another by him too somewhere giving even more details. PG won't freeze in a household fridge.
 

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Not an expert but this is what I have gleemed from other threads, posts and the internet in general:

Chemical and physical reactions are slowed at lower temperatures.
Plastic may contribute to the taste of flavored e-juice with lots of ingredients but leaching or oxidation of PG or VG Nicotine base will be slowed by storing in the freezer. It takes a long time in the freezer for duck stored in ziplock bags to pick up a fishy taste from trout stored in the same freezer in ziplock bags. The home freezer is normally between 0F (hard Ice Cream) and 4F (Soft Ice Cream), which may seem cold but is no where close to the 'freezing point of a NIC/PG/VG mixture. Remember that this stuff is 'antifreeze' :)

Flavored juices contains other stuff. Cold storage in the refrigerator (about 40F) prolongs juice life, but this is not cold enough to prevent leaching. Chemical reactions are slowed, but may continue to degrade a flavored juice.

Glass is of course the preferred storage material for base or flavored juice. Breakage potential aside.
Transfer of molecules between the plastic and juice ingredients can happen but freezing (0 to 4F) has shown pretty good results for a year or two(except for flavored juice). Storage life is reduced by exposure time (just like milk in the fridge). Each time you take juice out, warm it up, shortens the storage life. Planning your purchases to buy and store bottles in "6 month" sizes, even if you keep 2 years worth on hand, will reduce exposure times. Implementing a First-In-First-Out storage protocol to use the oldest first will help prevent 'finding this old bottle of juice in the back of the fridge'.

Hurry and buy your Summer juice before it gets hot outside :)
 
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Not sure about the pure interpretation of the 'Rules' but a 'review' thread should provide us the ability to candidly make positive, negative, and neutral comments about a vendor without the concern that the vendor will make a retaliatory comment (not that John would).
A supplier thread that is really a 'supplier thread', is the opposite. The vendor is King there :)

One thing for sure. A real safety issue such as someone getting something all back flasswards that could actually cause injury should be 'open season' for anyone to post a concern. Whether it's a Supplier, Moderator, or a Forum-Know-It-All :)
Safety comes first.

I think a vendor can contribute to normal discussion threads (without advertising of course).
 
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i read through some posts but not all

i have used wizardlabs nic juice it was great
clear,no odor,shipped in a black plastic bottle
was very good for storage and the price was awesome
oh and i got grape flavoring for free with it
i believe they throw a flavor in with every order
so on a scale of 1 - 5
id have to say 10
just my 2 cents
 

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i read through some posts but not all

i have used wizardlabs nic juice it was great
clear,no odor,shipped in a black plastic bottle
was very good for storage and the price was awesome
oh and i got grape flavoring for free with it
i believe they throw a flavor in with every order
so on a scale of 1 - 5
id have to say 10
just my 2 cents

I agreed with you here until I got my last order from WL just last Saturday. They do throw in a bottle of flavoring which is great! But, the 48mg nic base I received has a strong oily, diesel fuel/gas type of smell. It also has a sour taste. This hasn't happened with my previous two orders with them. I don't know what it is with this batch.

I have sent them an email just to make sure it's safe to use.
 

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I agreed with you here until I got my last order from WL just last Saturday. They do throw in a bottle of flavoring which is great! But, the 48mg nic base I received has a strong oily, diesel fuel/gas type of smell. It also has a sour taste. This hasn't happened with my previous two orders with them. I don't know what it is with this batch.

I have sent them an email just to make sure it's safe to use.

I wouldn't personally vape anything that smelled like that. Definitely reach out to John - my experience with him dictates he'll address this with you ASAP.

Especially since you've had it before and know what it should be like, something definitely sounds wrong.
 

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I wouldn't personally vape anything that smelled like that. Definitely reach out to John - my experience with him dictates he'll address this with you ASAP.

Especially since you've had it before and know what it should be like, something definitely sounds wrong.

You are so right...I just emailed him about an hour ago and I've heard back already and John informed me the last batch of nic they got had a stronger odor than normal. It tested okay and is safe, but it's hard for me to use (but I'm sure I will!). If I get past the smell (which is getting less after leaving the lid off for four days now), there is the sourness. I'll send him my lot number tonight. He will replace my bottle with one from another lab where they've been working on a low-odor formula called Wizard's Ice. Great customer service!
 
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You are so right...I just emailed him about an hour ago and I've heard back already and John informed me the last batch of nic they got had a stronger odor than normal. It tested okay and is safe, but it's hard for me to use (but I'm sure I will!). If I get past the smell (which is getting less after leaving the lid off for four days now), there is the sourness. I'll send him my lot number tonight. He will replace my bottle with one from another lab where they've been working on a low-odor formula called Wizard's Ice. Great customer service!

Well, I guess if it tests OK...Out of curiosity, did he say what the test was? That's a weird odor IMHO. Nicotine itself has an odor signature of "fish like" (according to USP monograph) so I'd not personally be comfortable with it; but that's me. My WL regular 36mg nic juice was nothing like that. If you are vaping it, pay attention to how you feel, particularly headaches and/or feeling any need for Pepto Bismol.

I'm glad John took care of it for you - he does take care of things. The "Ice" he's had testing in testing is my #1 nic juice now (over RTS, GoodProphets, and the WizardLabs "regular").
 

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I agreed with you here until I got my last order from WL just last Saturday. They do throw in a bottle of flavoring which is great! But, the 48mg nic base I received has a strong oily, diesel fuel/gas type of smell. It also has a sour taste. This hasn't happened with my previous two orders with them. I don't know what it is with this batch.

I have sent them an email just to make sure it's safe to use.
My recent batches N100612 (March) and N2031212 (May 6) are fine, fwiw.
 

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Well, I guess if it tests OK...Out of curiosity, did he say what the test was? That's a weird odor IMHO. Nicotine itself has an odor signature of "fish like" (according to USP monograph) so I'd not personally be comfortable with it; but that's me. My WL regular 36mg nic juice was nothing like that. If you are vaping it, pay attention to how you feel, particularly headaches and/or feeling any need for Pepto Bismol.

I'm glad John took care of it for you - he does take care of things. The "Ice" he's had testing in testing is my #1 nic juice now (over RTS, GoodProphets, and the WizardLabs "regular").

He said it tested ok and matched with the certificate of analysis.

I did have a headache yesterday for most of the day, but that's not unusual and I don't have one today and I'm still using it. I don't really have anything else other than some juice from vendors (and some I made previously that aren't so good) that I really don't like. This smell didn't even make me think of fish at all. Actually, I went to the post office on Saturday morning and when I got out of the car, I smelled something that smelled very close to it. I don't know if it was a truck or a natural gas leak or something like that, but I can't really name what it smells like other than "gas/oil" like in one form or another.

I'll be ordering the Ice from now on myself, but this is the first one (out of three) that had any odor. :)
 
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So i just got my first DIY order ever in today from Wizard labs, very happy with everything but the nic base does have a strong motor oily smell. I mixed up some apple with it and it was great, then tried french vanilla and it tastes just like the nic smells. Lot# N18051012

Perfectly clear and the smell isn't quite foul just strong. It could be construed as fishy or wet strong cigar i suppose. I will try some with no flavoring tomorrow and see how it is.

Edit:: the unflavored juice with this base only has a light light sour flavor mixed at 18% so I think its usable, perhaps I just used too much/too little vanilla.
 
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