you didn't really quit smoking because you're vaping...

[Rocketpunk]

My coworker said something like that, too. I didn't say anything, and then it bugged me all night. The next morning, I said something like this:
"You know, you really ...... me off yesterday with that. You like subway sandwiches with meat, right? Like meat, beans also have protein, right? Then how would you feel about eating bean sandwiches instead of the ones you eat now?"
Not a word has been said since. It is notable to mention though, that my GF later said I should have compared .........ion to sex.

I'm stealing your words and reusing them, but I'll preface my statement with, "So this crazy-haired guy in survival gear and drinking a thermos online said..." Heh. Just kidding. But can I use your logic? I can even slam-dunk it with the blankity blank versus blankity blank (I fear the mods on this forum like none other) argument your girlfriend suggested.

BTW, your girlfriend is hilarious.

 

[subversive]

does anyone have any links? i'm sorry to say but i googled "harvard study on e-cigarettes" and came up with some non-commital to negative results from a study at Harvard.

Looking now. I googled it and it's not coming up, but it exists somewhere. Might have to look through my old posts to find it.

 

[RosaJ]

does anyone have any links? i'm sorry to say but i googled "harvard study on e-cigarettes" and came up with some non-commital to negative results from a study at Harvard.

Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos at ESC2012 - The Effects of Electronic Cigarettes on Myocardial Function - YouTube

 

[subversive]

I found the original link to the Harvard study I mentioned, and it has been moved or taken down. Here is CASAA.

 

[mikejm]

I punch them in the face four or five times and then I start breaking furniture.

 

[Rocketpunk]

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[MaDeuce]

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Seriously. Last night it was over-throwing the government and instituting anarchy and today it's physical violence and the destruction of property.

 

[Scoop224]

You are not taking in co2

I think you mean Carbon Monoxide? "CO" That's the poisonous stuff. There's too much misinfo and fear surrounding CO2 already, it's necessary for plant life on this planet.... Not a poison unless it's at EXTREMELY high concentrations in an enclosed, unventilated space.

 

[patkin]

I've taken it in the gut, so to speak, for years from self-righteous non and ex smokers and I'm not going to do it anymore. If I detect an ounce of prejudice coming my way, I say so. Some people have genuine concerns for their OWN health and I respect that and will treat them respectfully by explaining they're in no danger.... but... and its a big one.... when I see they're like a fish flopping around on the beach and terrified they're going to loose their pet hate peeve I will find an opportune put down that points out their prejudice and judgement. Its high time the shame was thrown back in their face where it actually belongs. The bashing they've done of smokers is not acceptable which is really what they're still trying to do. They need that in their lives to feel superior. I will let them know just what inferior humans they are and then move one because closed minds with a hidden agenda cannot be reasoned with but they sure can be shown that what worked on me before is over. I'm one of those 60's kids and have done it before with racial epithets. I spoke up loudly whenever one was used around me. Smoking was turned into a "moral issue" rather than a health one by these types and I won't continue to be their target while vaping. People don't change. Some will fight hard to keep some group or other "beneath" them. Discern the difference between that and reason and handle things accordingly.

 

[ShayBabe15]

LOL, whatta loser..

Yea, smoke like a man.. suck tar deep into your lungs until you're coughing it up and can barely breathe after walking briskly.

RIGHT?! I feel so sorry for people sometimes. After I pull the "I'm extending my life span"..He doesn't give me ..... for the rest of the day.

 

[subversive]

I have to admit that the first time I came across an electronic cigarette, I told the man who was currently selling it and using it something pretty similar to what your co-worker said to you, shaybabe.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

I'm stealing your words and reusing them, but I'll preface my statement with, "So this crazy-haired guy in survival gear and drinking a thermos online said..." Heh. Just kidding. But can I use your logic? I can even slam-dunk it with the blankity blank versus blankity blank (I fear the mods on this forum like none other) argument your girlfriend suggested.

BTW, your girlfriend is hilarious.

Rocketpunk, you can use anything you want. And yes, my GF is the awesome epitome of what GFs should be. Let me take these two examples of awesomeness, which she has asked me to share, just so she can share them again...


Rub Some Bacon on It - YouTube
Don't argue with an ibex english subs - YouTube

 

[patkin]

ibex.... ... thanks!

 

[Debi]

The way I see it is that vaping is a healthier alternative to smoking. You are not taking in co2, tons of chemicals, smelling like an ashtray.

However you are still taking in as much if not more nicotine then smoking. With that being said I believe heart attack risk remains the same as a smoker due to increased blood pressure.

Still beats smoking.

No, heart attack risk is not a factor according to an interview I watched just last night. This is Dr. David Baron, Chief of Staff, UCLA Santa Monica hospital:
Electronic Cigarette - Dr. David Baron, M.D. - PART 1/2 - YouTube (part 1)
Electronic Cigarette - Dr. David Baron, M.D. - PART 2/2 - YouTube (part 2)

As for the OP's question... I think nonsmokers see vapers going through the same mechanics, the rituals and motions that they did when they were smoking cigarettes. They can't really differentiate, and they don't really have enough invested personally to do any research or even listen to an explanation that takes more than a sound byte to deliver.

I have just started vaping, though I quit smoking 2 years ago. I have started vaping because my 35 years of smoking ingrained the ritualistic parts of smoking in me so deeply that for the last two years I have not been able to shake the throat hit and what-to-do-with-my-hands issues. I am vaping 0 (zero) nic liquids. What will nonsmokers think of my situation? They won't hear the last two sentences... they'll say I started smoking again. Do I care? No.

 

[patkin]

My blood pressure has gone DOWN to normal since starting to vape... alternating 12, 9, 6 and 0 mgs daily. The cardiologist changed me from a beta blocker to the lowest dose calcium channel blocker and said I probably didn't need that but he's just being cautious for now until he's sure I won't return to smoking. My saturation level has gone from 60 which put me in the hospital to over 95. My dentist is happy I'm vaping. When he asked me about nicotine, I said "I don't think I'm addicted to it frankly and often vape zero nic." He asked me why I smoked then and I said: "I've learned since vaping that it was probably for the throat hit." He laughed and said "That's exactly why I can't give up cokes... pepsi just doesn't do it for me." Then he thanked me for educating him.

 

[Bosco]

I have to admit that I personally don't feel as though I've quit smoking . .not the same as truly quit - which I did do once for 5 years. I don't really mind if people think I did or didn't quit smoking . .in fact, I prefer not to discuss it with them at all. What difference does it make? They will think whatever they want to think and I will, too.

 

[ImThatGuy]

I quit smoking cigarettes...any objections?

 

[MDV39]

I used to smoke before I would go to the doctor for a check up and always heard " Your blood pressure is a little high". Monday was my first visit since I started vaping. I was laways curious on how my blood pressure was since I chain vape. So I vaped all morning up until I got into the office. When I got my pressure taken the nurse said "120/80". I only vape 6mg now as I tried my best to cut down my nicotine as fast as I could so I could vape all day but I was relieved to hear that my blood pressure was NORMAL after constant vaping when one analong used to make it "a little high".

 

[73ckn797]

No one should judge you, but almost everyone does. Just be polite.

Yep........

 

[Orobas]

A non-smoker has no frame of reference for how strongly the addiction grips you.

It's like trying to explain to a man what childbirth or even, god forbid, an ovarian cyst feels like.

If it's someone who isn't relevant to you or your life, don't hesitate to inform them that their opinion is also irrelevant. Observe the look of shock and amazement once they realize that not everyone considers the unsolicited foot-swapping that occurs whenever they open their mouth to be the pinnacle of human wisdom.