Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

That will be quite a case to argue and prove intent to harm when a person willingly purchased a product that may or may not be safe to ingest, that a store put on the shelf with no knowledge or intent to cause harm, and to prove that the use of the product was not a direct result of misuse by the consumer. I could go on all day but I think you see the point. Also the points your making about mixing are valid because no one is overseeing anything.

Who's to say that if a consumer buys a 6mg nic bottle however suppose that batch wasn't mixed correctly but instead was made with 100mg nic in the 30ml bottle and was imported from another country and caused illness or death to a consumer who relied on the product he bought to be safe. Are we then going to tell him to go hunt down the manufacturer and bring suit against them when you purchased a unregulated product without being aware of the possible risks because someone told you its a solution or safe alternative. I think most of you can see the problems here and understand that while this exact scenario isn't actual it could be.

Actually in the previous examples you have used numerous times in this thread it would be very easy to prove that. You keep moving the goal posts.

 

[rondasherrill]

That will be quite a case to argue and prove intent to harm when a person willingly purchased a product that may or may not be safe to ingest, that a store put on the shelf with no knowledge or intent to cause harm, and to prove that the use of the product was not a direct result of misuse by the consumer. I could go on all day but I think you see the point. Also the points your making about mixing are valid because no one is overseeing anything.

Who's to say that if a consumer buys a 6mg nic bottle however suppose that batch wasn't mixed correctly but instead was made with 100mg nic in the 30ml bottle and was imported from another country and caused illness or death to a consumer who relied on the product he bought to be safe. Are we then going to tell him to go hunt down the manufacturer and bring suit against them when you purchased a unregulated product without being aware of the possible risks because someone told you its a solution or safe alternative. I think most of you can see the problems here and understand that while this exact scenario isn't actual it could be.

Already happened a few years back. Not exactly, but a situation of eliquids having far higher concentrations than labeled already happened. And the market CRUSHED them the moment it was found out. No FDA needed. Buy your e-liquid from a reputable supplier, and don't worry. In the last several years, the market has basically crushed every questionable supplier activity along the way.

 

[VHRB2014]

Dag nabbit!! Someone pee peed in my vape juice again!!

Well?
It begs the question, hows it taste?

LOLOLOLOL.

(not serious at all, just enjoying the comedic interlude, :?)

 

[Mr.Mann]

Who's to say that if a consumer buys a 6mg nic bottle however suppose that batch wasn't mixed correctly but instead was made with 100mg nic in the 30ml bottle and was imported from another country and caused illness or death to a consumer who relied on the product he bought to be safe. Are we then going to tell him to go hunt down the manufacturer and bring suit against them when you purchased a unregulated product without being aware of the possible risks because someone told you its a solution or safe alternative. I think most of you can see the problems here and understand that while this exact scenario isn't actual it could be.

Man, this 6 mg is hittin' hard as hell today!

p.s. Nic test kits are readily available nowadays from work done by really smart vapers. (Thanks, DVap)

 

[Auntie Mame]

Everything has a level of danger. If you live in the US, do you always wash your hands after touching an egg? Do you believe that every food worker everywhere observes every food safety law every time?

If you know a vendor mixes their vapor in an unsafe manner. wouldn't you a) not buy from them and b) warn your friends of their unsafe practices? How long do you think they'd remain in business?

I do not remember ever hearing of a recall of e-juice because it killed or sickened someone. What other industry that produces things that are consumed can say that?

Vendors and producers with less than good standards will not last. Big tobacco will, and will continue to enter this market and if we fight each other rather than them, their e cig juice will become the standard, they will continue to lobby for laws that only permits their enterprises and all we will be doing is nostalgically telling our grandchild stories of how we used to be able to buy lovely hand crafted vapor with funny names that were so very satisfying.

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

Man, this 6 mg is hittin' hard as hell today!

Have to put the dripper down....I'm starting to get visuals. I mean the tile floor....crazy patterns.

 

[stevegmu]

I am pretty familiar with the supplement industry -- it's that has been around for quite awhile in it's current fashion -- and I can tell you it's fascinating (re: scary) what gets put on the shelves -- and as bonafied health products!

Health products and supplements are completely unregulated? Odd how all those performance enhancing products once sold at GNC were removed from shelves...

 

[Mr.Mann]

Health products and supplements are completely unregulated? Odd how all those performance enhancing products once sold at GNC were removed from shelves...

I didn't say completely, but basically. There is only a dust-up once some spit hits the fan. Which supps are you talking about?

 

[Altaire Versailles]

Eliquid, if regulated, likely will not be seen in any other form but saturated in an single use carto.
.

why do you say that?

 

[xcrazydx]

I could care less if people mix in their house and sell it.Nom nom nom

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[Tangaroav]

Eliquid, if regulated, likely will not be seen in any other form but saturated in an single use carto.

p.s. Sorry if what you said was in jest -- I couldn't tell.

With the screw up with Suicide bonny and all the others not yet identified, seft-regulation will not work if there is no follow up.

SB is erasing all comments and question on the subject on their Facebook page. Is this the kind of regulation you propose ? Lie and hide the thruth to you customers ? Sell and make a profit at any cost ?

What do you propose ?

 

[stevegmu]

I didn't say completely, but basically. There is only a dust-up once some spit hits the fan. Which supps are you talking about?

There seem to be new ones all the time, like DMMA. Several years ago there was the rash of high school kids dropping dead, possibly from supplements which contained steroids which GNC sold...

 

[Mr.Mann]

why do you say that?

What's currently being lobbied (article) . We know that tobacco companies are already in the ecig game and they are putting out cig-a-likes. They have no way of being viable if one can go buy liquid and fill 'er up as needed (not to mention their gear is antiquated). They do not want the vape game to stay, as they put it, an "open-system" and are trying to do what they can to make that happen. It makes sense for them to be doing it, but it sucks.

 

[xcrazydx]

There seem to be new ones all the time, like DMMA. Several years ago there was the rash of high school kids dropping dead, possibly from supplements which contained steroids which GNC sold...

Lmao

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[Tangaroav]

In reality you have legal recourse now against any business who knowingly or through neglect harms you. That really won't change with regulation. What will change is that regulators who have never vaped a day in their lives will set up all the rules.



I think its insulting that I can't go to a farm and buy milk fresh from a cow. That's regulated. Have you ever tasted fresh cow milk? I don't believe I have, but I want to, but big brother, or uncle Sam is keeping me safe. Thanks!

Dangerous? Have you ever been camping, it must me dangerous with all that dirt around. Let's not redefine dangerous.

Dangerous is not mixing in your kitchen, dangerous is mixing and using uncleaned .... thermometer to stir the mix.

Dangerous is selling you 48mg/ml nic in place of 3.

Maurice

I may add that dangerous is selling e-liquid, and saying that it is made with care and it is safe. But on being tested this is proven to be false and full of highly dangerous substances that are way above the present regulation threshold....

 

[dopamine1]

I really would love some reasonable and helpful regulations. Problem is, that's not what you typically get from the US government. If you pay any attention at all, you will see they usually have foxes guarding the henhouses. Which, in the case of the FDA, means that the regulations will be heavily influenced by drug and cigarette companies. And when they make a rule it tends to help large corporations and harm small businesses. Put two and two together, the future doesn't look good for most e-juice companies.

Honestly, I prefer the current free-for-all to being force fed Blus by big business and big government. Just my opinion. It would be nice to have some regulations that actually made things safer without handing the industry over to tobacco companies, but I just don't think it's realistic to expect that.

 

[sub4me]

Somehow I think if Marlboro as an example put a e liquid called Marlboro Classic Tobacco Juice on the shelf it would sell very well and probably out perform other liquids on sales volume due to name recognition. I'm sure Phillip Morris will be happy to fill our tanks.

 

[Mr.Mann]

There seem to be new ones all the time, like DMMA. Several years ago there was the rash of high school kids dropping dead, possibly from supplements which contained steroids which GNC sold...

Man, I still got Jack3d and Oxyelite which contained 1, 3 Dimethylamylamine/DMAA (not selling it for those that want to buy. LOL)! They were great products, but know that, once again, there was no issue until people started abusing it. They were HUGE sellers. And, I am almost certain that those that did die were not taking recommended dosages. But that is not to say that if a supplement company wanted to start selling huge amounts of some strange herb in a supp (which they are already doing) that they need to do much more other than say that their one independent study showed it was safe -- oh, and make sure to label it as "dietary supplement." It's not really a regulated industry.

Wait, is this BB.com? Sorry for the OT.

 

[stevegmu]

Man, I still got Jack3d and Oxyelite which contained 1, 3 Dimethylamylamine (not selling it for those that want to buy. LOL)! They were great products, but know that, once again, there was no issue until people started abusing it. They were HUGE sellers. And, I am almost certain that those that did die were not taking recommended dosages. But that is not to say that if a supplement company wanted to start selling huge amounts of some strange herb in a supp (which they are already doing) that they need to do much more other than say that their independent study showed it was safe - oh, and make sure to label it as "dietary supplement."

p.s. I won't ink

The good ones always get pulled before I get them...

 

[Tangaroav]

What's currently being lobbied (article) . We know that tobacco companies are already in the ecig game and they are putting out cig-a-likes. They have no way of being viable if one can go buy liquid and fill 'er up as needed (not to mention their gear is antiquated). They do not want the vape game to stay, as they put it, an "open-system" and are trying to do what they can to make that happen. It makes sense for them to be doing it, but it sucks.

With all due respect, you seem to be bringing big tobacco into this... At the moment the problem is not big Tobacco but big e-juice vendors that have been lying to their customers. They are selling dangerous e-liquids while telling us how good and safe their premium e-liquids are. That they are made with love for the vapers and all this {MODERATED}

We can't continue to close our eyes saying its all big tobacco's fault. We can't continue to say, if you don't like it quit vaping. We can't continue to say, it less dangerous than smoking.

We can't continue to be Ostriches !