I agree that direct communication with vendors is an important contribution to improving vaping safety for all .
Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?
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I agree that direct communication with vendors is an important contribution to improving vaping safety for all .
the point is the FDA can more easily control and regulate domestic manufacturers.
ban overseas imports,control and regulate the domestics.
and oh,by the way you wont be purchasing any nic base as you wont be able
to obtain the proper permits.
other than that everything is honky dorry.
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mike
I don't DIY...
It seems to me Halo has the same philosophy towards e-liquid that Provape has to pvs- safety. There are some ingredients that simply aren't manufactured in the US- some in France, the Netherlands, Belgium, England, India... I am really just concerned about China, even though Halo tests everything they use...
I'm glad that is your preference. Follow those guidlines if you want. But don't dictate to others that they need to follow those as well. You seem to be quite the fan of force.
Im not forcing anything on you, do as you will. My position is people should be able to vape, buy bottles of liquid, and the equipment they desire to use. I'm against Joes basement liquid, anyones internet.com liquid, and liquids that don't need to follow any safety guidelines and can do contain who knows what. I would suggest this is far from a extreme view point.
Well if the FDA says I can't buy liquid made by company XYZ because they deem that company not to meet certain standards, how is force not used in this situation. My freedom to choose is taken away. Am I seriously having to tell you how force is being used in this situation? Once again, if you don't want to buy liquid made in some guy's basement then don't do it. That is your choice and no one is saying you can't do that. The regulatory position you seem to be such a fan of dictates what will and will not be available regardless of consumer choice. I'm starting to feel like this is the twilight zone...
No offense, but even the small vendors make big profits. Open a website easy to do, import cheap nic, pg, vg, and stir. A local shop showed his cost on a bottle of China made liquid a very popular brand and his cost for a 10ml bottle is about .75 which he sells for $3 to $5 each.
I have Never said I agree to all the Proposals or oppose freedom of choice of where to purchase liquids. However safety standards need to be applied to liquids just as they are to tobacco, alcohol, food, and other things. I apologize if you fail to understand or perhaps misread a post I made because you wanted to turn it into an argument.
Well if certain safety standards are applied by the FDA and I can no longer legally purchase liquids I want, then my freedom of choice has been taken away. I am forced into other choices by a regulatory agency that feels they know what is better for me than I do. It should be none of your business what I choose to consume. Your position uses government force to dictate to individuals their choices. Leave people alone to pursue their own path.
I really don't understand how people can believe e-liquid will remain un regulated, or should remain un regulated. We live in a regulated society. Short of living in a cabin out in the middle of nowhere, off the grid and being self sufficient, there's no avoiding it...
On their website:
AEMSA 2014 membership dues structure
Application fee: $500 due at acceptance of application (nonrefundable)
Monthly Dues: $758
$1500 per initial scheduled inspection
Yes quite expensive for a mom&pop shop. I guess that IS a valid reason for some.
Let me say this and please feel free to look it up yourself. There are many e liquids being sold as legal products which contain very bad substances ( the names of these substances or likeness of them are not allowed to be posted by name, so I won't) these liquids have labels on them, sealed caps, and can techinally be sold legally as e liquids. Why is that you may ask?? Because along with the nicotine, pg, and vg they also contain other substances which have not yet been deemed illegal but are extremely dangerous and because there is no oversight on e liquids anything one can bottle can be added and sold as a e liquid.
To me its about safety for everyone, including you, and myself. I'm in no way against vaping or smoking, or tobacco, or organic food either. I'm against abosolute no regulations and the danger that goes along with it. Please just think about it.
To me its about safety for everyone, including you, and myself. I'm in no way against vaping or smoking, or tobacco, or organic food either. I'm against abosolute no regulations and the danger that goes along with it. Please just think about it.
So don't buy those liquids. If I don't have a problem taking that risk, I should be free to do so. That is strictly between me and the person I'm doing business with. The FDA will tell me what I can and can't choose. Just like in the raw milk situation. I fail to see how this is such a hard concept for you to grasp.
I'm sorry you fail to see how what I wrote can and is effecting people. There is no way to know what's being bottled and sold if a store I've been in carries a new liquid and I decide to try it I may ingesting something I never intended to. Do you not understand this?? I mean really.
They are the ones who choose to buy said liquid. That is their business. It's has no effect on me whatsoever. Therefore it is none of my concern and shouldn't be any of yours either.
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