Are you done stocking up?

[Rossum]

It always seemed like nic might be treated differently to everything else. They can jump on hardware and juice like they are talking about in the House and Senate. Nicotine has to be available for cigarette manufacture. They would need a separate remedy, like making it available to licensed buyers only. It could happen tomorrow, outside of the other legislation that's going on.

No need for a separate license. All manufacturers of "tobacco products" (which includes anyone who mixes juice for commercial purposes) were supposed to have registered with the FDA shortly after the Deeming went into effect. I don't know the exact date, and I think it may have gotten a few, relatively short extensions, but I'm confident that part of the Deeming is in effect now. So with a few key-strokes, the FDA could issue "guidance" that nic base (dangerous stuff that it is!) may henceforth only be sold to registered manufacturers.

However: My guess is they won't do this in the near future, because nobody is currently up in arms about us DIY mixers. Now if/when they really clamp down on the industry (2021?) and an informal market for juice emerges, then I could see it.

That said, I still think it would be foolish to wait until the poop hits the fan. If you're not sure you've got enough, you probably don't.

 

[BillW50]

I'm not sure if it can be legally done, but the banning of online sales is concerning.

I have to travel 100 miles for a vape shop. But I'd probably buy from China if online sales gets banned. The best they could do is catch about 10% of the vape stuff coming from China through the mail.

 

[sofarsogood]

Yep. Nic should be priority #1 for anyone's stockpiling plan, and the only time procrastination is warranted is in the heat of the summer.

As mentioned before, I procrastinate for the sake of fresh product. The thing to keep in mind though is supply will dry up with panic buying, before any government deadlines so best to get ahead of that.

May be the Washington swamp rats will be so distracted by their latest scandal they'll leave us alone for a while. My perspective on all that, one of the top 10 rules of Western legal tradition is, Thou shalt not bare false witness. The punishment for doing that is what the accused would have received. Mr. Barr should know what he needs to do now.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I've only bought nic from Wizard Labs and Nic River. I don't go thru a lot. I don't really want to deal with buying large bottles and transferring. So if I wanted to stock up with say, 250ml bottles, who sells well packaged decent nic in amber or cobalt bottles in less than liter sizes?

 

[Rossum]

So if I wanted to stock up with say, 250ml bottles, who sells well packaged decent nic in amber or cobalt bottles in less than liter sizes?

Freezer-ready, argon-purged amber glass bottles; in your choice of 125, 250, or 500ml sizes:
Nude Armor V1 Nicotine Base - EXTENDED SHELF LIFE

The question is, are you willing to pay for the convenience of having buying it freezer-ready like that? I was. Almost all of my stockpile is exactly that, in 125 ml bottles.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Freezer-ready, argon-purged amber glass bottles; in your choice of 125, 250, or 500ml sizes:
Nude Armor V1 Nicotine Base - EXTENDED SHELF LIFE

The question is, are you willing to pay for the convenience of having buying it freezer-ready like that? I was. Almost all of my stockpile is exactly that, in 125 ml bottles.

Yeah, thanks Rossum. That's perfect. I generally use 48mg just because it's what I started with, and easier to use without needing to be as precise. So I can get a plastic 500ml bottle from Nic River for $18, and here I can get 4 individual 125ml bottles, perfectly packaged for long term for only $29.

Since I only go thru a little over 200ml/yr, this is well worth the convenience. It only costs me about 5 bucks a year more, and it's so much easier to store the smaller bottles. I'd honestly pay far more than that for the convenience, and ability to open only smaller bottles as needed. And Nude is pretty well regarded, so that's bonus, too. I've seen people here saying well re-packaged frozen nic seems perfect after 5 years, so these ought to last indefinitely.

Now I might start buying some for freezer storage only, and continue buying the cheaper for daily use.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Thumbs up here for Nude Nicotine.

Yeah, thanks Rossum. That's perfect. I generally use 48mg just because it's what I started with, and easier to use without needing to be as precise. So I can get a plastic 500ml bottle from Nic River for $18, and here I can get 4 individual 125ml bottles, perfectly packaged for long term for only $29.

Since I only go thru a little over 200ml/yr, this is well worth the convenience. It only costs me about 5 bucks a year more, and it's so much easier to store the smaller bottles. I'd honestly pay far more than that for the convenience, and ability to open only smaller bottles as needed. And Nude is pretty well regarded, so that's bonus, too. I've seen people here saying well re-packaged frozen nic seems perfect after 5 years, so these ought to last indefinitely.

Now I might start buying some for freezer storage only, and continue buying the cheaper for daily use.

 

[Rossum]

I generally use 48mg just because it's what I started with, and easier to use without needing to be as precise.

Personally, I would not buy 48 for my long-term stash because it takes up twice as much space as 100. If/when you need it, it's easy enough to dilute it to whatever strength you're comfortable with.

 

[Rossum]

Thumbs up here for Nude Nicotine.

Yep. A few weeks ago, I mixed down a 125 ml bottle I got from them early in 2014. It's been in the freezer the whole time except for two ~1 week periods when it assumed room temperature due to power outages (dang hurricanes!). Appearance, smell, and taste are all "good as new". Based on this, I have little doubt that this stuff has an indefinite shelf life in the freezer.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I bought some nicotine from another producer, it had an unpleasant pepper taste. Then I learned of Nude Nicotine, it may have been from you. I bought one of their samples and, coincident in time, the Argon gas topped off bottles came out. It was like a feeding frenzy here in Kentucky and I bought more than a life time supply.

I wrapped each bottle lovingly in bubble wrap as insulation to ward of any potential degradation by a defrosting process in the freezer. Not long ago, I opened a second liter of my SHTF stash, it was fine. If I did not have the bottles date labeled, I doubt that I would have any idea how old it was. Like you, I am confident that mine will be fine even under the moderate unexpected inconveniences of modern life.

 

[kross8]

Test,, my tablet keyboard works fine except on Facebook.. testing here.. everything looks fine ... Thanks

 

[Jebbn]

I got some ss clapton wire the other day. It isnt what I ordered but I decided to build a coil with it anyway.
Coil came out at 0.12ohm, my usual coils are about .7ish and 14watts.
Ive used about 25ml of juice in two days up from about 6-7ml in two days.
Everythings. Changed. I cant see going back from this.
Im going to have to buy 2battery mods and more nic base. Maybe rethink my wire stash as well.

So, Ive been pulling myself back in from this.
I spent yesterday mtl vaping using a Berserker in temp control at 160c to break the cycle.
Seems to have done the trick.
Loaded a ss 28ga, 3mm id, .73ohm coil into a Elevate today and was happy at 180w tc.
Normality is restored.
Funny thing, all that extra nic I consumed and I felt nothing of it except there was no nic hits like Im used to. I was so tanked up on nic I couldnt feel it any more. Just a waste of nic for me.
So I ordered a couple of dual battery mods, a couple of spare fav top af tanks, some more freebase and nic salts and some more 28ga ss wire.
Basically, at this stage, Im set for life unless the power to the freezer goes out, and they ban 18650's, or I live to 105, or I go back to 90w coils, etc.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Personally, I would not buy 48 for my long-term stash because it takes up twice as much space as 100. If/when you need it, it's easy enough to dilute it to whatever strength you're comfortable with.

Yeah, just about everyone would. But luckily, I have plenty of freezer space, and I'm also plenty lazy!

I'm still considering 100mg - it's just as easy to put a sharpie mark my chubby gorillas at 4.2 ml as 8.75, I guess. Only downside to using 100mg is that a bottle would take a long time for me to use after opening.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Yeah, just about everyone would. But luckily, I have plenty of freezer space, and I'm also plenty lazy!

I'm still considering 100mg - it's just as easy to put a sharpie mark my chubby gorillas at 4.2 ml as 8.75, I guess. Only downside to using 100mg is that a bottle would take a long time for me to use after opening.

I stick mine back in the freezer bubble wrapped, my opinion is that it stays fresh. My bottles have a plastic or other flexible stopper on the bottle top over which the screw top goes. But my opinions are often...

 

[rosesense]

30% off all nicotine at ecigexpress with code NICOTINE30

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I stick mine back in the freezer bubble wrapped, my opinion is that it stays fresh. My bottles have a plastic or other flexible stopper on the bottle top over which the screw top goes. But my opinions are often...

I got a 250ml bottle (plastic) from Nic River. My (lazy) method of mixing is just marking my chubby gorillas with a line where I fill with nic, then add flavoring and fill to the top with VG. So I transferred my nic to a big 500ml VG squirt bottle from Nic River. So I can just squirt in nic & vg, without messy pouring.

Problem is, there's too much headroom in there. After a year, just putting it in my desk drawer (did I mention I'm lazy?), it started darkening just a little. No biggie - I don't mind the flavor....at this point. I only do NET anyway, so a little oxidation might even add a little TH. But I should probably transfer the nic to smaller squirt bottles & put the rest in the fridge or freezer.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Freezer-ready, argon-purged amber glass bottles; in your choice of 125, 250, or 500ml sizes:
Nude Armor V1 Nicotine Base - EXTENDED SHELF LIFE

The question is, are you willing to pay for the convenience of having buying it freezer-ready like that? I was. Almost all of my stockpile is exactly that, in 125 ml bottles.

I could not agree more!!!

Yes, I was ready, and did, buy it freezer ready like that. The NN Armor V1 argon-purged amber glass 125 ml bottles are my stockpile.

Like you I also have more than I need for the rest of my life.

Thumbs up here for Nude Nicotine.

Two thumbs up do?

I have little doubt that this stuff has an indefinite shelf life in the freezer.

Absolutely!

I don't have another place in another state like you do. That is the ultimate disaster recovery situation. Tip o the hat to ya there!!! But I'm happy and I really don't live in an area where there are yearly hurricanes or earthquakes. Wisconsin gets tornado's but living so close to Lake Michigan we haven't had one anywhere near us my whole life. The coldness of a freshwater lake that size kinda breaks those things up...like a big old cold wall. Not saying it can't happen but I'll take my chances.

 

[Rossum]

I'm still considering 100mg - it's just as easy to put a sharpie mark my chubby gorillas at 4.2 ml as 8.75, I guess. Only downside to using 100mg is that a bottle would take a long time for me to use after opening.

I'm not sure whether it's practical for you; depends on what strength you vape at, and the size of your nic base bottles, but I only ever open a bottle of nic base once, and I mix without ever measuring nic base.

WHAT?

I vape at 13 mg/ml.

1) I measure out 610 ml of VG using a 250 ml graduated cylinder. This goes in my mixing bottle (a 1.5 liter clear PET plastic bottle).

2) I dump an entire 120-125 ml bottle of 100 mg PG base in there.

3) I measure out 210 ml of PG using the same graduated cylinder I used for the VG. This picks up the very viscous residual VG in there. I take some of that (about 60 ml) an put it in the bottle the nic base came in, swish it around in there to pick up/rinse out any residual nic before dumping it into the mixing bottle. I do this several times. When it comes to nic, my philosophy is: Waste not, want not.

4) I dump the rest of the PG into the mixing bottle, put the lid on the mixing bottle and shake vigorously for a while. Let it settle for a few hours, shake vigorously for a while, and finally let it settle overnight.

5) The next morning, I decant a theoretical ~940 ml of ready-to vape 13 mg base into seven "120ml" glass bottles. I fill these quite full, leaving minimal head space, so I generally have very little left over after filling the last one. These then get labelled with "UNF 35/65/13" and a YYMMDD code for the date I did it. These go in the freezer, and I pull one out as I need it (roughly every 4 weeks).

This technique means my 100 mg nic base never goes in and out of the freezer, and never sits around with a bunch of headroom in the bottle. There's also virtually no chance of spillage, since the entire bottle of nic base gets dumped into the mixing bottle as soon as I open it.

You could easily modify this technique to produce 48, 36, or 24 mg "base" to use with more conventional mixing techniques with later. The point is, it avoids handling the 100 mg base as much as possible, and avoids exposing it to temperature cycles and air.

 

[sofarsogood]

Back in the day I smoked some 10 year old cigars after bringing up the humidity. They were fine,, worth smoking. I've read research about tobacco cultivation where concern is expressed that nicotine from stalks and stems left in the field become water soaked and the nicotine flows into nearby streams and kills organisms. Nicotine is not some highly fragile material that withers away at the slightest provocation. Regardless my nic is in the freezer in amber glass but I'm confident it will keep indefinitely. I'm guessing the potency might decline by very small amounts as the decades go by.

 

[Rossum]

I'm guessing the potency might decline by very small amounts as the decades go by.

It's not a potency decline that I'm worried about, but rather the off taste (that I personally do not care for at all) that oxidized nic has. The nic in tobacco plants isn't liquid freebase; it's bound to salts, which if they were purified, would most likely be solids.