This is what I always think of when people get snarky all over FB and why I leave LOL!That's why I don't go to those on FB either, I just didn't realize it had gotten to the level Robin described.
Nah, not it. But I do have a squeaky clean cache and cookies now.
Awww I was hoping that would help. Hmmm one other thing....try rebooting your computer. Sometimes that helps 'reset' everything!
Sometimes I feel like I am watching a tennis match.... back and forth, back and forth....
...really, that's just about anywhere now that comments are allowed.
If I remember correctly, all vaping products would be encompassed. Since all vaping products have now been deemed a tobacco product.
Seriously ? not cool to say those two are NOT advocates as they
represent our industry with nothing but professionalism and wholehearted support.Both of them have ALWAYS preferred and promote MTL low voltage style vaping, see Phil's new juice line.Who really cares if Dimitri is, has been designing closed systems, does that honestly give justification to label him as a sell out ?
On the other hand this is your "truth buster" really nice guy and industry representative convicted V (opportunist 10 x 26650 Parallel Box Mod
I dare not post the video but have a look for yourself if you dare, Dr Crimmy's v-liquid exposed the truth
This all shows how different we all are but at the end of the day, we ALL have the same goal in mind ..........
You know what I like about Pod Mods, is the name, I always want to call them Mod Pods, like Mod Squad LOL Yes I am old ha ha! And remember don't bash the new guys on the scene, at one time all our preferred open systems were the new guys on the scene, and we love them! So just maybe someone out there that loves Mod Pods too, we can't set our ship on fire, our open systems maybe on that ship too and FDA maybe the one to put the fire out permanently !!
I disagree because I think that it would mostly be big tobacco who would be marketing closed systems
and is in fact already doing so and poised to expand. Tobacco companies would not have competition
rather it would be like intramural sports where one division within a tobacco company competes with another
like Phillip Morris competing with U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Company, they're still both Altria.
Sure, there are a few vaping companies that are big enough monetarily to develop and/or market and get FDA approval for closed systems but they would need to re-tool their companies in order to compete with big tobacco.
Moreover, while it is a good thing for people who want to quit smoking cigarettes to have a working alternative
such as closed nicotine delivery cig a likes, they would still be spending as much money on "a pack of smokes" as they do now and subsidizing ridiculous government expenditures through sin taxes on a product which has little to do with tobacco.
Yes, the individuals working to develop those pod products are working against us
in that they're working only for themselves. They are not fighting the asinine legislation which threatens the vaping industry as we know it or us as vapers with their research or money, they are working to assure their own survival.
I think somebody needs to figure out just who this community is and what we're about.
If this community is made up of a bunch of people who don't give a hoot
about how we're going to get our nicotine
then I want no part of it.
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To be fair, as I posted earlier, von erl makes a pod mod and hosted the after party for A Billion Lives. Now it could be argued that they were promoting their product more than fighting regulations but at least they showed support for the cause. It isn't an Us against Them scenario, imo (other than hopefully all of us against the FDA)
Damn. Had to read that a few times...think the graphics distracted me...
I can't disagree with you any more vehemently.
If you trace the money being used to develop most of those closed nicotine delivery systems
you might find that in some way or another they are being sponsored by either Big tobacco
or Big Pharma. In other words, our enemies.
You think that since we were once the new kids on the block
we have an obligation to the newer kids on the block only 'cause they're new kids?
Not me. In my experience sometimes new kids are a new gang about to takeover your turf.
Mod Squad? LOL. Yea, those were young COPS.
They may have been hip and all that but they were cops...
Regawds,
Hazy
A bit off topic but I tried rayon last night and at this point.... not a fan. I like my cotton better. I will give it another go at a later date, but won't be stocking on that item. The 40 feet box I got will be plenty if I need to resort to using it.
That was an honest mistake, Lori.Not sure why you quoted me there...but don't.
I started to reply to your comment about r1's comment being both funny and not funny
at once but then realized it was you I was replying to so decided not to because anything I'd say would likely be considered as offensive by you...
Then I decided to reply to Robin01
and didn't realize the quote to you was still there.
Gee, I'm so sorry, my bad... That misquote has now been corrected.
Thank you for bringing it up.
I assure you that it will not happen again as I now understand how sensitive you are...I'll be more careful.
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I respect your opinion Rose, but I disagree. I frankly believe that at this point
it's more everyone for themselves, the only us is most of the folks hanging out on this
and other vaping forums, the ones who most stand to lose while others gain.
Be sure to let us know when your house burns down.If you can't maintain a sense of humor in the worst of times, might as well roll over and give up.
I'm sure you'll laugh all through that comedy...
Could somebody explain what a 'pod' is. Apart from a closed system?
Nobody ever looks on the bright side.
Did anybody seriously think that this small time advocacy would compete with BT and BP?
It was always the right thing to do but we all stocked up, Why? I think we all knew.
If all of us have enough gear to last then 'new would be vapers' can only benefit from these new systems. It is a shame that BT will once again take money from people but at least this time people won't die as a result.
They will have to learn to decrease nic and stop altogether, unlike us. And it can be done imo.
3rd point, if these new systems are designed for new guys, can you imagine it really taking that long for us to work out how to rig that kit for refilling.
As long as I have enough and new people can vape and slowly cut down and become healthier and stop, I must admit, I'm not overly concerned.
A few more bits and I'm done. Phew! Sos for long message.
Nobody ever looks on the bright side.
Did anybody seriously think that this small time advocacy would compete with BT and BP?
It was always the right thing to do but we all stocked up, Why? I think we all knew.
If all of us have enough gear to last then 'new would be vapers' can only benefit from these new systems. It is a shame that BT will once again take money from people but at least this time people won't die as a result.
They will have to learn to decrease nic and stop altogether, unlike us. And it can be done imo.
3rd point, if these new systems are designed for new guys, can you imagine it really taking that long for us to work out how to rig that kit for refilling.
As long as I have enough and new people can vape and slowly cut down and become healthier and stop, I must admit, I'm not overly concerned.
A few more bits and I'm done. Phew! Sos for long message.
vaping will not end well with closed down devices ... however, that is their end game, more expensive and just as taxable as smoking 
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