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Cigarettes have FAR more nicotine in them than what is actually inhaled by the user.
So when you say that they have an average of 1mg nicotine you are neglecting many other factors.
And when you do the "math" on inhalation of nicotine through vaping, you are also equally unaware of many factors.
All things considered, it is almost certain that we are getting less nicotine from vaping than from smoking.
When I was a smoker, it seemed that about every third or fourth cigarette I smoked, I would say to myself "Man, I'm screwed. I should quit, but I'm never going to be able to. I love this too much." And I did love it. Whether it was that first throat burn in the morning, or after a good meal, or with a good cup of coffee, there were always times when I would sit back and reflect on just how much I loved to smoke a cigarette.
I quit on the very same day that I bought my first eGo kit back at the start of February. Haven't had a cigarette since, and my mind hasn't missed it. Around the 2-month mark, I started getting random panic attacks and fits of insomnia that I can only attribute to some kind of delayed chemical withdrawal as there was simply nothing else going on in my life that would trigger such episodes. My doctor agreed that this was a plausible explanation, but likely due to withdrawal from something other than nicotine. I should note that I do not use narcotics or alcohol. At no point did I even consider lighting up to alleviate my symptoms. If anything, this stressful period of roughly two weeks in my life showed me just how terrifying cigarettes were and drove me even further from ever wanting one again.
So now, to address your question: My brain is just as addicted to smoking as it ever was, only now I'm vaping instead of smoking. While it's true that I vape more often than I smoked, I don't attribute this to an increased level of addiction, psychological or otherwise. If I could've smoked throughout all my waking hours, then by gosh I probably would've. The only thing that has changed that I can measure with any degree of certainty is that I don't have to vape like I had to smoke. I don't get tense and jittery when I have to survive for several hours without a vape. My mind isn't constantly bent towards making sure I have enough "supplies" to get me through the day/night. I'm literally just as content vaping 0mg as I am vaping 18mg and the only reason I'm parked at 12mg is because I enjoy a little throat hit from my vapor and 12mg/70PG is my sweet spot for that.
Vaping isn't something I consider an addiction anymore, it's just something I enjoy doing. Whether I'm mixing juice, rebuilding attys, or just kicking back at home and vaping my fool head off, I derive pleasure from every experience and I take my pleasure wherever I find it. I could give it all up just as easily as I could give up playing guitar, but until someone produces a good reason why I should, I'm not about to give up either.
TLDR: No.
I quit on the very same day that I bought my first eGo kit back at the start of February. Haven't had a cigarette since, and my mind hasn't missed it. Around the 2-month mark, I started getting random panic attacks and fits of insomnia that I can only attribute to some kind of delayed chemical withdrawal as there was simply nothing else going on in my life that would trigger such episodes. My doctor agreed that this was a plausible explanation, but likely due to withdrawal from something other than nicotine. I should note that I do not use narcotics or alcohol. At no point did I even consider lighting up to alleviate my symptoms. If anything, this stressful period of roughly two weeks in my life showed me just how terrifying cigarettes were and drove me even further from ever wanting one again.
So now, to address your question: My brain is just as addicted to smoking as it ever was, only now I'm vaping instead of smoking. While it's true that I vape more often than I smoked, I don't attribute this to an increased level of addiction, psychological or otherwise. If I could've smoked throughout all my waking hours, then by gosh I probably would've. The only thing that has changed that I can measure with any degree of certainty is that I don't have to vape like I had to smoke. I don't get tense and jittery when I have to survive for several hours without a vape. My mind isn't constantly bent towards making sure I have enough "supplies" to get me through the day/night. I'm literally just as content vaping 0mg as I am vaping 18mg and the only reason I'm parked at 12mg is because I enjoy a little throat hit from my vapor and 12mg/70PG is my sweet spot for that.
Vaping isn't something I consider an addiction anymore, it's just something I enjoy doing. Whether I'm mixing juice, rebuilding attys, or just kicking back at home and vaping my fool head off, I derive pleasure from every experience and I take my pleasure wherever I find it. I could give it all up just as easily as I could give up playing guitar, but until someone produces a good reason why I should, I'm not about to give up either.
TLDR: No.
I would have to say more addictive.
Most vapors I know increase their nic consumption over their old analogue habits.
One can look at their nic consumption in perspective.
An average American cigarette has an average of 1mg of nic in it. The mg number you see on your ejuice standards for mgs per ml, milligrams per milliliter, thus 1ml of 9mg nic = 9mgs of nic, 1ml of 12mg nic = 12mgs, etc.
Therefore 1ml of 12mg nic juice = 12 (average) American cigarettes, 1ml of 18mg nic juice = 18 (average) American cigarettes and so on.
So if an individual is using the higher juice amounts I see, let's say 4 mls of 18mg nic, that would equate to 4 x 18 = 72 American smokes a day! 3 packs a day, who does that !?
Just an honest observation. I keep in mind the 100's of other hazardous chemicals being avoided with an Ecig conversion..
One of the good things I have retrospectively noted with Ecigs is that 3-4 puffs 'does the job' for me and I am satisfied. The old analogue habit had me 'obliged' to finish the whole cig therefore taking 7-8 puffs. Those last 2 puffs on an analogue must be quite unhealthy.
Don't get lost in assumptions.
Your "therefore" might be valid if your assumption was correct that if you vape 1 ml of 12 mg liquids you actually absorb 12 mg's of nic... but you don't. The absorption rate of nicotine from vaping is only equal to about 1/4 to 1/3 of the nicotine in the liquids consumed. So for your 12 mg example, 1 ml of use results in 3 to 4 ml's of nicotine absorbed, not 12 mgs. It's far from a 1:1 ratio.
I am more addicted to the gadgets that are attached to the vaping. Than I am addicted to the vapor.
More so than the cigs.
Sometimes its about the nic level sometimes its about the flavor, sometimes its about the throat hit, sometimes its about the look of the mod. ect. ect, ect.
I would much rather be hooked on vaping than cigs!!!
More so than the cigs.
Sometimes its about the nic level sometimes its about the flavor, sometimes its about the throat hit, sometimes its about the look of the mod. ect. ect, ect.
I would much rather be hooked on vaping than cigs!!!
Yes I am. I needed something stronger than my two PAD "full flavor" habit. That's how I quit smoking. I'm down from 18mg to 13mg but I just vape more to compensate. It's complicated, I can live with that...
I would have to say no. I am not more addicted to vaping as I was smoking. I smoked as many cigarettes as I could during the day before I started vaping. I tied everything in my life to cigarettes. I am about to get to the 60 day mark on not lighting up a stinky. I vape when I can but I don't have the urge to vape like the urge to smoke when I smoked. I don't get crazy if I don't vape.
I think I must vape a lot of juice though I am not worried vaping is much better than smoking ever was. I love the vape gear! I like the act of vaping. I have stepped down to 12mg to 10mg nicotine from 18mg. I plan on dropping my nicotine further if possible. I think I could vape just nic sweetened juice. It mostly all tastes like that to me anyway.
I haven't been without my gear and doubt I will be. I am coming to the end of the shopping spree for gear. I have found what I like now and what works. I am happy about that.
I think I must vape a lot of juice though I am not worried vaping is much better than smoking ever was. I love the vape gear! I like the act of vaping. I have stepped down to 12mg to 10mg nicotine from 18mg. I plan on dropping my nicotine further if possible. I think I could vape just nic sweetened juice. It mostly all tastes like that to me anyway.
I haven't been without my gear and doubt I will be. I am coming to the end of the shopping spree for gear. I have found what I like now and what works. I am happy about that.
I have had no problem dropping my nic down while vaping. I am at 1 mg these days.
The act of inhaling the vapor is a whole different kettle of fish though. That I do not think I could give up.
The act of inhaling the vapor is a whole different kettle of fish though. That I do not think I could give up.
I'd say 18mg is far lower than "full flavor"... In fact, its what I started on as a 1PAD ultra light smoker.
Coming up on 2 years later and I'm now down to 6mg
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Ok thanks Rick.
Yes I did assume 1:1 juice absorption based on the ClearstremAir Project report, (room full of Esmokers and no residual nic in air).
I was thinking nic inhalation - nic exhalation (assumed to be none or very little) = consumption. Ok, wrong.
That's good news to me indeed if absorption is 1/4 to 1/3 of liquid consumed.
I'm maybe still lost tho.. If inhalation - exhalation does not = consumption, and the thinking is 1/4 to 1/3 juice absorption rate, then where is does the remaining 3/4 to 2/3 of the nic go.
> Scratches head...
Could you possibly shed some light on that?
TIA
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Read this thread, and pay special attention to the posts by Rolygate...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...312547-nicotine-absorption-contradiction.html
Thanks for providing that link. I was looking for it for another discussion on a different thread a few days ago. I've now bookmarked it for future reference.
Yes and no. I definitely am addicted to the nicotine but unlike analogs I can go without for hours or days, without the huge mood swing as I have recently while traveling. I think I was more addicted to the maoi's in the analogs then anything else.
Yes. I vape more than I was currently smoking. $416 was my projected annual expense on cigarettes. I smoked at most to packs a week. I just bought a Provari kit and some e-juice. I need some more tanks and I'll be really close to my annual amount. Heck, with the three Blu's I vaped before, I may have hit it. Oh well, analogs were affecting my singing and harmonica playing.
That's an easy answer to me. I wouldn't call it being more addicted. I had no problem going outside to smoke when all the smoking bans were placed into effect. I just find it way more enjoyable. I don't stink, I don't have to go outside and most importantly, I'm not degrading the health of those around me. Plus - it is so much better! I totally get what you're asking though. I think I do vape way more than I smoked! heheeeeee! If I'm a vape addict.....that's OK with me.
I think I vape more consistently than I smoked....simply because it's way more fun! Like has already been stated, I like the "stuff" associated with vaping. I can't remember ever going into a forum and starting a thread called "Just got a new Marlboro, hits like a tank"...or "problem with my Camel light, please help". I'm hooked on the lifestyle as much as the nicotine.
It's hard to say because it's a fun hobby, but I also consume a lot of nicotine. I was never a cigarette smoker, I consumed cigars, hookah, and chewing tobacco. I guess the only one comparable to me would be hookah because of the search for new flavors, different coals, different ways of packing the hookah head, different types of heads, different hoses..etc. I quit that when I quit smoking the green stuff and was hopelessly congested which I now realize is from silent GERD mostly. Yes I enjoyed the nicotine, but the variety involved is what kept me interested. With chewing after I quit initially for 1 1/2 years I would lapse for a 1-3 months and then get bored of it and go to gum, and then quit. I'm an ADD type and if it's always the same thing I will get bored of it and eventually quit.
I had just gotten into recovery with NA/AA and was chewing the gum to replace the recent chewing habit and my little brother let me try his e cig. Fast forward to now and I went from flavor chasing with DIY to cloud chasing on RBAs as much as my regulated mod allows. and now I'm somewhere inbetween. I have spent a lot of time making flavors and trying to master that, using the ultrasonic, then a magnetic stirrer, and next time both. In the last 2-3 weeks I have spent a lot of time tinkering with atomizers using different gauges of kanthal, micro vs spread, different resistances, vertical vs horizontal wick, different sized air holes, dual vs single coil, ekowool, mesh wrapped in ekowool, just mesh, wire rope wrapped in mesh, wire rope wrapped in ekowool wrapped in mesh, next I'll try cotton stuffed inside mesh. I recently got an Igo-W, have a protank 2, and an AGA T2 on the way.
I guess the next thing for me to try is sub ohm coils on a mech mod. I'll probably get into that after I perfect getting consistently stable ohms on mesh/wire rope builds. I suppose pulse oxidizing with a mech mod may help with the cause. I'm currently running the lower limit on my Vamo at 1.3 ohms on an Igo-W with enlarged air holes and a single vertical wire rope/mesh wick. After the cloud conquest is over I'll be back mixing like a madman and buying flavorings. Only so much money if I am trying to save, so I have to dedicate myself more to one or another.
So am I addicted? Yeah, but I have experienced some rough drug addiction and this is nothing compared to it. The fun of the hobby side of it keeps me vaping. I get more reward from completing a set up that works really well or a flavor that everyone loves.
I had just gotten into recovery with NA/AA and was chewing the gum to replace the recent chewing habit and my little brother let me try his e cig. Fast forward to now and I went from flavor chasing with DIY to cloud chasing on RBAs as much as my regulated mod allows. and now I'm somewhere inbetween. I have spent a lot of time making flavors and trying to master that, using the ultrasonic, then a magnetic stirrer, and next time both. In the last 2-3 weeks I have spent a lot of time tinkering with atomizers using different gauges of kanthal, micro vs spread, different resistances, vertical vs horizontal wick, different sized air holes, dual vs single coil, ekowool, mesh wrapped in ekowool, just mesh, wire rope wrapped in mesh, wire rope wrapped in ekowool wrapped in mesh, next I'll try cotton stuffed inside mesh. I recently got an Igo-W, have a protank 2, and an AGA T2 on the way.
I guess the next thing for me to try is sub ohm coils on a mech mod. I'll probably get into that after I perfect getting consistently stable ohms on mesh/wire rope builds. I suppose pulse oxidizing with a mech mod may help with the cause. I'm currently running the lower limit on my Vamo at 1.3 ohms on an Igo-W with enlarged air holes and a single vertical wire rope/mesh wick. After the cloud conquest is over I'll be back mixing like a madman and buying flavorings. Only so much money if I am trying to save, so I have to dedicate myself more to one or another.
So am I addicted? Yeah, but I have experienced some rough drug addiction and this is nothing compared to it. The fun of the hobby side of it keeps me vaping. I get more reward from completing a set up that works really well or a flavor that everyone loves.
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