<really geeky>
That's not the least bit weird.
So, on my way to a Psych degree, I worked in a research lab for like a year. Please spare me the torturing animals bit…I agree with you, I just made my peace with it. Anyway, one of the tried and true ways of "predicting" whether or not a drug is going to be addictive is seeing if it "supports self-administration in animals" (usually rats, mice or some kind of primate……we used mice because monkeys are too dangerous for undergraduates). Basically, you train a mouse to press a lever or stick their nose in a hole with a sensor in it, and reinforce that lever press/nose poke with your drug. Based on how often the animal does it (compared to another level/hole that delivers food or other behaviors or at different "thresholds" for delivering a dose, etc.), you can draw some conclusions.
Nicotine–by itself–doesn't really act like an addictive drug. The animal does it, but the comparisons mentioned above look more like water than the hard-core stimulants that act as the baseline for predicting addiction (one a beverage was named after, the other with a street name the same as the title of a movie with keanu reeves and a bus).
If you pair it with a light flashing upon delivery, the profile changes.
Coincidentally, smokers light cigarettes. And most cig-alike PVs have an LED either on the button or on the end of the battery. Without those lights, there's a chance cigarettes either wouldn't be addictive or would be much less so.
I'm starting to wonder if using PVs without LEDs would make it easier to taper off. Once you're addicted, you get withdrawal of some kind (even if very mild) if you just stop. I don't meant to thread-jack, but the OP raised some interesting questions……mostly how the light affects switching to a PV and subsequent efforts to taper off from nicotine.
Personally, I have no desire whatsoever to taper off. I've been using 11, 18, and 24 mg/mL juice at various points for no real reason except flavors being out of stock in the 18mg/mL variety…which just happened to be the first strength I tried. But all my PVs (not like I have many…3 901 batts and a twist) have an LED of some kind. And I noticed today that I look towards the end of the twist when I fire it, almost expecting a light.
I can't draw any conclusions from myself (confirmation bias) but it'd be interesting if anyone's seen any research on the subject or noticed anything along these lines in themselves……in addition to the OP's question (but if you have to pick one…answer his……I'll start another thread if I get interested enough).
</really geeky>
I've smoked because I couldn't vape, but I'm also only about 2 months in. There came a time when I was down to 1 901 battery that I was swapping it b/t a charger and an atomizer every few minutes: put on the atty, take a couple toots, back on the charger for a while until I wanted another.
It got frustrating. When I considered how much easier it would be to light a cigarette, I ordered more batteries.
And, sadly, the same thing kinda still happens. It's only been a day or so, and I'm probably just playing with my new toy too much, but I ran through 2 crappy, little, knock-off 901 batts (they seem like they're 50 mAh each if the 100 mAh -> 1 Hr thing holds) waiting for my twist to charge this afternoon and ended up doing the charger swap dance again.
So, I'd say yes……I've come close. But it wasn't like I was going to bite anyone's head off……I just really think this has the potential to work long-term, and I don't want to go back to cigarettes in desperation because of minor equipment issues. I think that's where the frustration was coming from more than just nicotine withdrawal, especially considering that I made it days without a smoke (1 PAD normally) at various points while I smoked……a whole week once on a family trip to Colorado……with family that didn't know I smoked. No cravings, no headaches, no irritability……changing your setting really helps. As soon as I stepped off the jetway in Atlanta, paid like $10 at a kiosk for some random brand, smoked one in a lounge and one in the parking lot waiting for my ride…then bought my normal cigarettes from my normal gas station 20 minutes later and threw the rest of the temps away.
So, on the other hand, it's never gotten that bad.
I was/am more addicted to the oral fixation/visual aspect of my old/new habit.
That's not the least bit weird.
So, on my way to a Psych degree, I worked in a research lab for like a year. Please spare me the torturing animals bit…I agree with you, I just made my peace with it. Anyway, one of the tried and true ways of "predicting" whether or not a drug is going to be addictive is seeing if it "supports self-administration in animals" (usually rats, mice or some kind of primate……we used mice because monkeys are too dangerous for undergraduates). Basically, you train a mouse to press a lever or stick their nose in a hole with a sensor in it, and reinforce that lever press/nose poke with your drug. Based on how often the animal does it (compared to another level/hole that delivers food or other behaviors or at different "thresholds" for delivering a dose, etc.), you can draw some conclusions.
Nicotine–by itself–doesn't really act like an addictive drug. The animal does it, but the comparisons mentioned above look more like water than the hard-core stimulants that act as the baseline for predicting addiction (one a beverage was named after, the other with a street name the same as the title of a movie with keanu reeves and a bus).
If you pair it with a light flashing upon delivery, the profile changes.
Coincidentally, smokers light cigarettes. And most cig-alike PVs have an LED either on the button or on the end of the battery. Without those lights, there's a chance cigarettes either wouldn't be addictive or would be much less so.
I'm starting to wonder if using PVs without LEDs would make it easier to taper off. Once you're addicted, you get withdrawal of some kind (even if very mild) if you just stop. I don't meant to thread-jack, but the OP raised some interesting questions……mostly how the light affects switching to a PV and subsequent efforts to taper off from nicotine.
Personally, I have no desire whatsoever to taper off. I've been using 11, 18, and 24 mg/mL juice at various points for no real reason except flavors being out of stock in the 18mg/mL variety…which just happened to be the first strength I tried. But all my PVs (not like I have many…3 901 batts and a twist) have an LED of some kind. And I noticed today that I look towards the end of the twist when I fire it, almost expecting a light.
I can't draw any conclusions from myself (confirmation bias) but it'd be interesting if anyone's seen any research on the subject or noticed anything along these lines in themselves……in addition to the OP's question (but if you have to pick one…answer his……I'll start another thread if I get interested enough).
</really geeky>
Has anyone snapped because they couldn't vape?
I've smoked because I couldn't vape, but I'm also only about 2 months in. There came a time when I was down to 1 901 battery that I was swapping it b/t a charger and an atomizer every few minutes: put on the atty, take a couple toots, back on the charger for a while until I wanted another.
It got frustrating. When I considered how much easier it would be to light a cigarette, I ordered more batteries.
And, sadly, the same thing kinda still happens. It's only been a day or so, and I'm probably just playing with my new toy too much, but I ran through 2 crappy, little, knock-off 901 batts (they seem like they're 50 mAh each if the 100 mAh -> 1 Hr thing holds) waiting for my twist to charge this afternoon and ended up doing the charger swap dance again.
So, I'd say yes……I've come close. But it wasn't like I was going to bite anyone's head off……I just really think this has the potential to work long-term, and I don't want to go back to cigarettes in desperation because of minor equipment issues. I think that's where the frustration was coming from more than just nicotine withdrawal, especially considering that I made it days without a smoke (1 PAD normally) at various points while I smoked……a whole week once on a family trip to Colorado……with family that didn't know I smoked. No cravings, no headaches, no irritability……changing your setting really helps. As soon as I stepped off the jetway in Atlanta, paid like $10 at a kiosk for some random brand, smoked one in a lounge and one in the parking lot waiting for my ride…then bought my normal cigarettes from my normal gas station 20 minutes later and threw the rest of the temps away.
So, on the other hand, it's never gotten that bad.
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