Chemical Purge to Nic Free

[zmbgzus]

At higher level doses, I've experienced the body reacting to lower doses dramatically. It's in the extreme lower doses that seem less susceptible. The flavorings, or lack thereof, do seem to play a major factor in how the mind reacts to the cessation. My wife is soon to start vaping, a change I am very glad of.

With this thread, and others like it, I'm hoping that the compilation of information at some point may help others to have a more thorough understanding, thereby a more successful cessation. After all, we stopped smoking to be healthier. Why would we also not stop vaping as well in time?

 

[zmbgzus]

I wish I could do this for myself just one time and not notice until I was almost finished the whole 500ml. I would be on easy street...lol. It would be kinda hard to forget though with unflavored e-liquid.

Lol EXACTLY! That's why when an individual hits say, 3-4 mg or less, after approx 2 weeks, if someone were to replace the nic juice with non nic, within 3 days or so, they'd be 100% nic free.

 

[NC_Fog]

zmbgzus, you have some very good points here. I also remember when I first started smoking the comments of "you'll be hooked the rest of your life" or "you will never be able to quit" or "very hard habit to break". Could this in reality be brainwashing or conditioning users into believing that is it harder then it actually is. You know, sorta like staking an elephant with a tiny wooden peg with a small rope to keep it restrained. Does this conditioning along with the effects of nicotine or dopamine make it seem even more impossible to break away? Just a thought.

 

[zmbgzus]

Absolutely. If you're told something works a certain way long enough, never see any evidence of anything otherwise, it becomes the closest thing to the truth. The sky isn't blue because that's the actual color. It's blue because it's what we've been taught. The mental conditioning could play a very integral part in the physical effects of nic withdrawal as well. I believe, therefore it is.

 

[zmbgzus]

More input! We need more data!

 

[zmbgzus]

Perhaps, it's not actually the habit itself, that's difficult to break. Moreover, breaking the belief, is the key to success. And to think that I hated psychology in high school...

 

[NC_Fog]

Sad thing is, I'm a high school drop out. Yet this is how I see the world.

I also dropped out(Boredom). Waited the 6mos. minimum. Then went on to get my GED. I was told by my teachers and others that I would never amount to or have anything. LOL...l retired at 42yrs old by working my .... off and being smart with what I had. I haven't hit a lick at a snake in almost 10yrs. It's determination that gets you through life, not a higher education.

 

[zmbgzus]

I also dropped out(Boredom). Waited the 6mos. minimum. Then went on to get my GED. I was told by my teachers and others that I would never amount to or have anything. LOL...l retired at 42yrs old by working my .... off and being smart with what I had. I haven't hit a lick at a snake in almost 10yrs. It's determination that get you through life, not a higher education.

Sry, had to edit. Getting off topic lol Funny tho, Einstein was a dropout. I dropped out, you and others as well...we're all freaking brilliant!!!!

 

[AndriaD]

It is purely speculative on my part. As the psychology of the smoker us an integral part of becoming smoke free, knowledge itself, or the lack thereof, are often the largest contributing factors. Because of this, the lack of knowledge would be integral to the experiment. Yes, the increase in dopamine triggered by nicotine keeps us in the fight or flight mode, reducing anxiety and stress chemically. Can these also not be controlled by psychological methods as well? I too deal with anxiety attacks. Have for years. However, with a greater desire to gain control over my body, an understanding of how the afflictions affect me, the more I can eliminate the need for chemical correction. Again, psychological, not so much chemical need.

I think the only dependable and merciful way to do this would be in a double-blind study with those subjects who *agreed* to undergo the *possiblity* of nicotine deprivation. Double-blind, so that neither the subjects nor test administrators would know for sure who was getting nicotine and who wasn't. As well as the stated purpose of seeing if any of those deprived of nicotine could tell, or how fast they could tell, it would also be very interesting to note those who *did* receive nicotine but were convinced they were in the throes of withdrawal.

Andria

 

[zmbgzus]

If only....If only.....I could set up a seminar, convince ppl with facts and theory, a great pitch, convert hundreds of smokers to vaping, sell my own equipment at the convention...I'd never work again!

 

[zmbgzus]

I think the only dependable and merciful way to do this would be in a double-blind study with those subjects who *agreed* to undergo the *possiblity* of nicotine deprivation. Double-blind, so that neither the subjects nor test administrators would know for sure who was getting nicotine and who wasn't. As well as the stated purpose of seeing if any of those deprived of nicotine could tell, or how fast they could tell, it would also be very interesting to note those who *did* receive nicotine but were convinced they were in the throes of withdrawal.

Andria

The perfect controlled environment! The results would be quite entertaining. A study like that could change the focus of chemical dependency worldwide. But of course, we'd still have to deal with ppl trying to discredit :/

 

[NC_Fog]

Once I get settled into this 9mg real good I may try something. I may just see if I can get down to 4mg or so for awhile and then make up some 0mg and not label the bottles. Then use out of each bottle every other day to see if I can tell the difference. I will keep a labeled backup for emergencies though. No hurry though, may be years down the road...lol.

 

[DC2]

This is my standard post on nicotine addictiveness that I always drop in these types of threads...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-possible-benefits-nicotine.html#post12022611

I used to post it free form but it's gotten too long and has too many quotes.
So now I just link to it.

 

[zmbgzus]

Once I get settled into this 9mg real good I may try something. I may just see if I can get down to 4mg or so for awhile and then make up some 0mg and not label the bottles. Then use out of each bottle every other day to see if I can tell the difference. I will keep a labeled backup for emergencies though. No hurry though, may be years down the road...lol.

Lol yes, ease into it. It would be very interesting to see the results if you can pull it off. A journal perhaps? I dunno. I have older stuff laying around that's a little stronger. Even a 5 mg is a noticeable difference. That is a good idea tho. Might try it myself!

 

[zmbgzus]

Possible to get some of the readers of this thread, whom haven't commented, to post any personal experience with nic reduction effects??? Yes, this is for you reader of the threads.

 

[NC_Fog]

zmbgzus, if you think this post is getting a little off topic I will delete it if you want me to...

The deeming FDA regulations and the government restrictions may stall vaping as we know it today. I believe in the end this may possibly lead to a whole different nicotine delivery system. Nicotine...where will it be in say 10yrs? There are some smart and very resourceful folks here at ECF. Not counting all over the world. All it takes is say...one person to come up with an ordinary substance for nicotine replacement that the FDA or the government can't control nor regulate(cat and mouse). I guess you have to think where e-cigarettes were 10yrs ago...my point exactly. The horse is out of the barn, innovation will prevail.

 

[Anjaffm]

I don't intend to stop vaping, so it doesn't concern me. It was the only tool available to me that compelled me to quit smoking, none of the alternatives did so.

So I'll vape on........

Cat

Same here.

I quit smoking quite accidentally when I started up my 1st e-cig, and I have no intention whatsoever to stop
1. this enjoyable habit
2. the consumption of nicotine.

I do not practice "caffeine cessation" either.

 

[Baldr]

There have been reports of people who forgot to add nicotine to their DIY and didn't even notice.

People who are using 6mg or less? I could see that. People who are used to vaping heavily at 18 or more? That seems very unlikely.

I'm on 0 nic, but I didn't jump there right away. When I first tried to get off the cigs, I started at 24, and I had to get some 30mg juice to quit. The day I got the 30, I stopped smoking.

Along the way, I've tried "just stopping" a couple of times. Now that I'm at 0 nic, I can do it - but I don't like it. When I was on a significant amount of nic, it would have been a lot like trying to quit cigarettes by just putting them aside.

To me, claims that nic doesn't matter fail just on the face of it. I've been addicted to nic. Telling me there is no addiction isn't going to convince me.

 

[Baldr]

I think the only dependable and merciful way to do this would be in a double-blind study with those subjects who *agreed* to undergo the *possiblity* of nicotine deprivation. Double-blind, so that neither the subjects nor test administrators would know for sure who was getting nicotine and who wasn't. As well as the stated purpose of seeing if any of those deprived of nicotine could tell, or how fast they could tell, it would also be very interesting to note those who *did* receive nicotine but were convinced they were in the throes of withdrawal.

Andria

The throat hit is a dead giveaway. I'm nic-free now, and I don't miss the nic very much, but I do notice the lack of throat hit.

For what it's worth, if I go into a vape shop and try their sample flavors, which tend to have either 12 or 18 nic, I get a head rush from it.

 

[second2none]

I've been wrestling with this for a few weeks now. I have weened down to 3mg nic I tried zero and felt something was amiss (mental ?) my last batch I made I ran out of nic so now its 2.5mg But I made 400 ml of juice and seeing how small 10 ml of nic is I really think it must be mental because I just don't see how that little bit of nic will make a difference no matter how much you shake and mix it . Then there is the notion how much can I really feel 2.5 mg of nic ? At some point doesn't low nic probably react the same as no nic since the level is so small ?