There are some people who believe that this thread, and others like it, is trying to make an argument that nic is bad. That's is not the purpose. The information collected here will in turn be utilized to assist other smokers in better understanding their chemical dependency. I'm not out for being part of the war on ANTZ, simply educating others. Yes, I could troll countless other threads. At the least, the feedback is educating me. In the least, this may be the closest to an intelligent, analytical conversation that some of us will ever have on the subject. I had a thought. I enjoy being right. I enjoy the science to our vaping community. While the feedback has been nearly all positive, there's always just that one that hits a little off...Thank you for your success stories and opinions.
Chemical Purge to Nic Free
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Chemical dependency....
Event ANTZ are chemically dependant ... dihydrogenmonoxide
Not to mention the financial dependency.
Politics, BT, BP, ANTZ - all gotten fat and comfy with the cushy jobs near the feeding troughs.
And the idea of going cold turkey on the money is probably more horrible to them than all chemical dependencies combined...
Event ANTZ are chemically dependant ... dihydrogenmonoxide
Not to mention the financial dependency.
Politics, BT, BP, ANTZ - all gotten fat and comfy with the cushy jobs near the feeding troughs.
And the idea of going cold turkey on the money is probably more horrible to them than all chemical dependencies combined...
I'd be able to support an argument that nicotine is good far easier than I could support an argument that it is bad.
Same here. Never got a buzz from nicotine in my entire life.
Sure I got a buzz from the carbon monoxide oxygen deprivation that is the first cigarette of the day.
But other than that, nothing.
Well, since we're talking about how things affect people differently...
I am with the other poster who can drink a strong cup of coffee before bed and fall right asleep.
I smoked around 7 cigarettes per day for 27 years, and firmly believe I was never addicted to nicotine.
And I used to be able to go all day without a cigarette, until I saw someone smoking one.
And when I saw someone smoking one, I wanted one.
And when I wanted one, I HAD to have one.
But if I hadn't seen someone smoking one, I wouldn't have even thought about having one.
And I guess my point is that my experiences with smoking are very different from most people here.
The basic reason I smoked was for the break from life for 10 minutes at at time.
And, well, I just liked it.
I am with the other poster who can drink a strong cup of coffee before bed and fall right asleep.
I smoked around 7 cigarettes per day for 27 years, and firmly believe I was never addicted to nicotine.
And I used to be able to go all day without a cigarette, until I saw someone smoking one.
And when I saw someone smoking one, I wanted one.
And when I wanted one, I HAD to have one.
But if I hadn't seen someone smoking one, I wouldn't have even thought about having one.
And I guess my point is that my experiences with smoking are very different from most people here.
The basic reason I smoked was for the break from life for 10 minutes at at time.
And, well, I just liked it.
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I used to get a buzz from cigarettes... maybe for the first 2-3 months I smoked; I was just 14, after all, and at that time, my smoking was primarily confined to the skating rink on Fri/Sat nights. 
I got a buzz from nicotine when I first started vaping, but some igmos told me I "should" start at 18mg, since I was a pk a day smoker. WRONG. Even 12mg made my head spin like crazy, and finally made me nauseous. When I finally got some 6mg, no head spins, no nausea, no stomach pain.
I smoked ultra-lights for 20+ yrs, and when I looked them up online, I found that each cigarette contains only .5mg of nicotine. Also, I'm a recovering alcoholic/addict, so ALL psychoactive substances affect me at least twice as hard as they seem to affect others. I can't take cough medicine that contains dextromethorphan at all, it makes me so sick I can't get my face out of the toilet. I can't take narcotic pain meds unless they're combined with phenergan, or same result as the dextromethorphan.
I'd like to slap the bejeebers out of the guys at the store who said I "should" start at 18mg; it nearly cured me of e-cigs permanently. People that ignorant should not be selling e-liquids or advising newbies on what level they "should" start at -- or they should listen more carefully to the customer about the strength of the cigarettes they smoked. Amount of cigarettes per day is only half the equation -- how strong are those cigarettes?? If I'd been smoking a pk a day of cowboy killers, sure, 18mg would be fine. But ultra-lights that contain only .5mg per cigarette??? My body was NOT prepared for 18mg nicotine!!!
I'm very fond of the positive effects of nicotine, but the negative ones?? SPARE ME FOR GOD'S SAKE. Nausea is a fate worse than death, and vomiting even worse than that.
Andria
I got a buzz from nicotine when I first started vaping, but some igmos told me I "should" start at 18mg, since I was a pk a day smoker. WRONG. Even 12mg made my head spin like crazy, and finally made me nauseous. When I finally got some 6mg, no head spins, no nausea, no stomach pain.
I smoked ultra-lights for 20+ yrs, and when I looked them up online, I found that each cigarette contains only .5mg of nicotine. Also, I'm a recovering alcoholic/addict, so ALL psychoactive substances affect me at least twice as hard as they seem to affect others. I can't take cough medicine that contains dextromethorphan at all, it makes me so sick I can't get my face out of the toilet. I can't take narcotic pain meds unless they're combined with phenergan, or same result as the dextromethorphan.
I'd like to slap the bejeebers out of the guys at the store who said I "should" start at 18mg; it nearly cured me of e-cigs permanently. People that ignorant should not be selling e-liquids or advising newbies on what level they "should" start at -- or they should listen more carefully to the customer about the strength of the cigarettes they smoked. Amount of cigarettes per day is only half the equation -- how strong are those cigarettes?? If I'd been smoking a pk a day of cowboy killers, sure, 18mg would be fine. But ultra-lights that contain only .5mg per cigarette??? My body was NOT prepared for 18mg nicotine!!!
I'm very fond of the positive effects of nicotine, but the negative ones?? SPARE ME FOR GOD'S SAKE. Nausea is a fate worse than death, and vomiting even worse than that.
Andria
I think it's a lot "more bad" if it's being consumed via combustible tobacco..
If somebody wants to vape it, I'd rather see them do that, instead...
At this point, I think it's bad for me.. in the sense that I'm not really enjoying its effects anymore.. I really don't like it anymore
It's giving me constant unwanted headrushes.. That always happens when I'm ready to step down the nic-level, don't ask me how or why... For the most part, I've let my body/brain dictate when to it's time to lower it the whole way down from 18mg.. And nothing else changes: Same vape equipment, same PV setting, same juice.. same vape-time, same vape-channel...
My explanation is that somehow, over time, at least for some people, including me, all those receptors & what-not in the brain begin to re-normalize or something.. And gradually, after still being repeatedly dosed with the same levels of nic, it begins to say, "Whoa.. enough of that! I can't handle this much anymore! Stop it!" And to ignore that is just foolish & will only make a vaper miserable...
As for getting nic-buzzed from cigs, that used to happen to me sometimes... If I went too long without one & finally lit up.. Or smoked one too quickly.. Or chain-smoked too much... Etc.
That didn't happen to some other people??
I think it's a lot "more bad" if it's being consumed via combustible tobacco..
If somebody wants to vape it, I'd rather see them do that, instead...
At this point, I think it's bad for me.. in the sense that I'm not really enjoying its effects anymore.. I really don't like it anymore
It's giving me constant unwanted headrushes.. That always happens when I'm ready to step down the nic-level, don't ask me how or why... For the most part, I've let my body/brain dictate when to it's time to lower it the whole way down from 18mg.. And nothing else changes: Same vape equipment, same PV setting, same juice.. same vape-time, same vape-channel...
My explanation is that somehow, over time, at least for some people, including me, all those receptors & what-not in the brain begin to re-normalize or something.. And gradually, after still being repeatedly dosed with the same levels of nic, it begins to say, "Whoa.. enough of that! I can't handle this much anymore! Stop it!" And to ignore that is just foolish & will only make a vaper miserable...
As for getting nic-buzzed from cigs, that used to happen to me sometimes... If I went too long without one & finally lit up.. Or smoked one too quickly.. Or chain-smoked too much... Etc.
That didn't happen to some other people??
Yeah, if I went too long without a smoke, sometimes I would get that, because I'd be wolfing the next one down like it was manna from heaven.
In that situation, I revelled in that light-headedness! But what you're saying makes a ton of sense -- you let your body tell you when to eat, and when to stop eating, right? It makes perfect sense to me. I think my body was ready to quit cigarettes, because once I found this excellent substitute, I wanted cigarettes less and less and less... until they were just gone, and not missed.
I also liked that previous post, about smoking being almost entirely habit, rather than entirely physical dependence. I've said for years that if nicotine was the whole story, then patches and gum would be a LOT more effective -- and we know how totally ineffective those are for ditching cigarettes. My ease in quitting this time, as opposed to all the failures before, just shows how much habit this is, and how little is nic dependency. Yes, my colon has gotten accustomed to a certain amount of nicotine, which stimulates peristalsis, and without a close approximation of that level of nicotine, wasn't moving much at all, but that strikes me as something I could overcome, given a slow weaning as opposed to a sudden cessation.
To me it's really about the sensation, the tingle in my mouth, tongue, gums, and throat, and the taste, and thank god for MyFreedomSmokes having this Virginia because it's amazing how close it is to the taste I was so accustomed to -- but so much better, without that bitter burnt taste. If I hadn't found this flavor, I'm not sure I could have quit at all. It's about attachment, to a feeling, a flavor, a soother, a rote activity that I'd become so accustomed to in 39 yrs of smoking that doing without it was just not on the table, period.
Thank god for technology, and to hell with the FDA and their stupid, venal, corporate-a$$kissing "deeming"; I have a lot of hardware already, and I'm going to be stockpiling a lot more in the next 2 yrs, along with nicotine, in hopes that at the very least I'll be able to get this flavor in 0mg formulation.
Andria
I had a friend tell me that when she got up in the morning and had her first cigarette she felt this overwhelming weight on her shoulders. I really thought she was nuts but after I had been off cigs for 6/7/ months I actually felt it. Not so much a buzz but it's hard to explain and I had never noticed it the whole time I smoked...which was close to forever.
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