WTA juice would possibly be just as effective as a no nic/Zoloft combo. Give it a try?
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WTA juice would possibly be just as effective as a no nic/Zoloft combo. Give it a try?
Maybe up your nic for a while (or vape higher nic when you feel anxious/stressed and lower nic/zero nic the rest of the time).
Make sure you're keeping hydrated with water/juice (just have some with you when you're vaping) and switch the flavours around - you can also try different PG/VG mixes to see if you get less of a 'vaper's tongue'.
I find having different devices helps me too - sometimes I feel like I'm not getting any flavour out of tanks but a carto will satisfy me - can't say why - my sense of taste continues to change as time goes by so I guess I have to adapt with it.
"You in here for Nicotine!....Nicotine! ......Man this is some BS!"
"Nicotine is not a drug! I use to suck @*%# for (insert hard drug)....
"I seen him"
"You ever suck some @*%# for nicotine?"
"Boo this man!"
"Nicotine is not a drug! I use to suck @*%# for (insert hard drug)....
"I seen him"
"You ever suck some @*%# for nicotine?"
"Boo this man!"
now we're getting to the route of the issue.
how long ago did you drop the zoloft? did you wean off or go cold turkey?
there are side effects to zoloft and more to going cold turkey from it. looks like you may be experiencing a little of both, honestly. you may need time for your body to begin self regulating.
i've helped a few people get away from that crap. the hardest part always seems to be when their body/mind starts allowing them to feel and experience their true emotions again. they're heightened and haywire at that point. confusing and frustrating.
what has always seemed to help is a few things, but all in the name of getting "centered".
- if you feel frustrated, confused or angry, walk away. it may just be a necessity.
- positive changes in your diet always seem to help allow the body to regulate properly. avoid processed food as much as possible. none of this vegetarian in a box or can crap. eat whole foods as often as possible. add a salad or fruit salad to every meal. if you're feeling particularly down, eat a chocolate bar to get a little boost in the emotional department.
- most importantly, escape from your stresses. take a leisurely walk and clear the air. long enough for your mind to clear itself.
- distract yourself on mindless and/or enjoyable activities. (not depressing ones like sitting static in front of a boob tube or drinking your blues away.) play some cards or board games with some close friends. allow the conversation to supply some white noise for which to lose yourself into. if you're young enough, maybe a game of man hunt or a scavenge hunt.
- most importantly, you're going to need someone you trust who understands to work out things and talk with you about your issues. i find many of the issues people are faced with that lead them to psyche drugs are often simple issues we don't allow ourselves the clarity to see the answer to because our individual situations and stigmas.
as far as vapers tongue... cepacol, glyoxide if there's any wounds involved and hydrate. you'll want to experiment and see if higher nic will allow you to vape less. if not, that's fine. you may be that person that needs the hand to mouth involvement. especially while going through a psyche drug transition.
hang in there Mr. lava. it'll be alright. find what works for you and keep your doctor in the loop.
take it easy. good luck.
For vapers' tongue, it might help to reduce the overall heat of your setup. If you have a variable voltage device,try dropping a few tenths of a volt and see if it feels better the next morning. If not, a higher resistance delivery device or a different delivery device may be worth a try. I find bottom coil devices can cause this for me at fairly low voltage, so if that's what you have, perhaps trying a top coil device at the same or higher resistance may help avoid that dull, tasteless feeling. Good luck!
Why go off something that works?
My issue is more physical with physical risks but before I knew that I wasn't about to stop Xanax. It literally saved my life when I tried Wellbutrin/Zyban.
It didn't matter how much someone who doesn't care how much I suffer without it lectured me about addiction, it's a quality of life issue.
I talked to my GP about addiction and he kind of laughed because at the rates I take it there is no way I'd get physically addicted. The anti-addiction people pushing everyone to get off all medications don't care about people with a need, as evidenced with NYC harrassing people with chronic illnesses over pain meds at the same time they decided to make life hard for ecigs.
Xanax not only helps with my anxiety issues that are mostly tied to IBD issues, it helps with the IBD pain without complicating the IBD like opiate pain killers would do (can't take NSAIDs with IBD, and guess what NYC's suggestion for people with pain is).
I'm not about to quit something that works for me because someone else doesn't like it, mental or physical.
As far as 30ml a week, every time I stepped down I vaped more. I also chain vaped when I first quit cigarettes. You've been at this for 2 months. You're probably trying to go too fast to 0mg leading you to chain vape, leading to vaper's tongue.
If you don't change flavors, do so often. The only flavor I can do all day every day are mints/menthols, everything else loses the flavor if I focus on that flavor.
Don't worry so much about getting off nicotine right now. The further you get from your cigarette addiction the easier it will be to remove nicotine.
That said 30ml isn't that much over average. Average is 3ml-4ml a day, 21ml-28ml a week.
See...I knew something seemed weird about that other response I quoted of you. This here makes that statement make sense to me now.
I don't get treatment for my ADHD by a physician but this is part of why I vape & use nicotine. The nicotine itself helps with social & other anxieties I experience & the act of vaping itself helps with impulse control issues. If I'm vaping I can concentrate on other things & if I'm not I'm distracted & not concentrating on anything. I especially like cigalikes for this cuz just having it in my mouth keeps me from being distracted sometimes so I can focus on what I'm doing.
Now I get why your response seemed so extreme though. Even without coming off a medication ADHDers (at least myself) experiences are more exaggerated. Coming off a medication that would be so much more extreme.
Maybe up your nicotine intake so you won't feel so inclined to chain vape. Also maybe have another 0 nic device for those times you want to vape just as an impulse & keep different styles of drip tip so you can switch them out & have the vapor not be hitting the same part of your tongue all the time. My cigalike doesn't hit the same part of my tongue as my kayfun drip tip & my drippers all have different type drip tips too.
Im down to 3, 4, and 6 mg levels but if i was at zero i just wouldnt vape.
The only reason i vape is to get at least a little bit of nicotine in me because i like it in all honesty, and the vapor from vaping just makes it so much better than patches and gum.
If you can get down to zero nic and go days without needing to vape than more power to you.
For me vaping is just more about still being able to simulate smoking without all the chemicals smoking has that kill you faster (buying time i guess lol).
The only reason i vape is to get at least a little bit of nicotine in me because i like it in all honesty, and the vapor from vaping just makes it so much better than patches and gum.
If you can get down to zero nic and go days without needing to vape than more power to you.
For me vaping is just more about still being able to simulate smoking without all the chemicals smoking has that kill you faster (buying time i guess lol).
Before I got to 0mg, I thought the same thing. Now I haven't used nic in months, but I still vape just as much as ever.
I started at 18 mg/ml and worked my way down to 12 mg/ml within a few months of starting. When I tried to go lower, everybody started "doing it wrong". When I went back up to 12 mg/ml, they all straightened up. I've stayed at 12 mg/ml for a year now, and I am tempted to start lowering it again. I think I'll try 11.5 mg/ml with my next batch!
Sorry to hear you're having these issues, but thanks for letting us know that is what's happening
. This explains a lot. I hope you and your doctor get it figured out and you can get back to feeling better soon.As for vaping 30 ml a week, that's 4 1/4 ml a day, just a bit more than I vape. I don't consider that too much. As a mater of fact that's very close to the 3-4 ml average for ECF'ers. Here's a poll done on it. I don't consider that chain vaping. There are people who have vaped 10 + ml a day for years now and they are still doing just fine.
IMO, don't worry about that or how much nicotine you need to keep from smoking until you get over the cigarette addiction. That took me about three months, but everyone is different. The important thing at the beginning is to keep from smoking. After that you can cut back vaping and/or nic use and it won't be so hard on you.
The best thing I used to do to avoid vaper's tongue was to frequently change juice flavors. There was a time when I always had at least 2 PVs going and sometimes three with different juice in them and I would alternate between them after each puff. That and staying hydrated should take care of it for you.
Best of luck with it!
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Benny, I hope you get better man. Coming off zoloft and 0 nic at the same time has to be rough. There is no shame in taking meds and using nic if they work for you, you know? Sorry if I was a little rough on you. Be well.
Happy vaping! To each their own. Happy New Year to all!
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I went from 24 to 18 back to 24 now 18. My consumption has also gone up dramatically, but that's due to more powerful equipment.
That is an important point. What devices we are using is a factor in nic levels. When I first started with rebuildable drippers I had to drop nic level fast. I was actually over nicced because they hit so much harder.
Oh. Wow. Look, Benny... Sorry I was so rough on you. It all makes sense to me now. I think we owe each other mutual apologies. Let's just leave it at that.
#1 - See you doctor, and have him or her get you back on the proper treatment plan.
#2 - You are surrounded by an entire community of people who have also been manipulated by mutinational corporations that have chemically engineered cigarettes to do exactly what you have been talking about - make people "suffer" when they try to stop using them. It is not a "weakness", it is a designed reaction that is the result of millions of dollars of research. We have no choice but to go through it when we stop smoking cigarettes. Most of us don't "suffer" to the degree that you say that you do, but we all get uncontrollable urges to smoke, cravings, jitters, anticipation, and a host of other physical symptoms. Step back from that. Now we vape. We have gone from being addicted (or dependent) to a cocktail of chemicals to a single one, nicotine. Just getting this far is a victory. Tar - gone. Ultra fine particulate matter - gone. More carcinogens than I care to count - gone. We vapers are winning. We are achieving freedom. Independence. That is why there are so many threats to vaping. Lots of rich people with politician friends are struggling to find a way to ban them based on "harmful effects" that aren't there to protect their profits. You know how bad it is getting when the best argument the heart of the liberal establishment (i.e. the nanny state) can find against it is that it "looks like" something that is harmful. So the next time that you feel "weak" because you are still hooked on nicotine, I want you to think about what I just said, and laugh because you are almost there. It's not "weakness" you feel, it is the last remaining claws of a powerful demon that you have been slowly slaying trying not to release you from it's grasp.
#3 - As time goes on, you will be able to break the nicotine habit, too. Stick around. Know that all of us have been there, and use us as a crutch. Just BE NICE ABOUT IT.
Good luck!
Edit: 30ml a day? What kind of device are you vaping on? I couldn't burn that much juice in a day in any of my devices even if I hooked them up to a car battery and stuck them in a shop vac...
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Benny, thank you for being open about your problem...see how quickly this topic turned?
Everyone here wants to help, as long as you are willing to accept it. While I had very mild nicotine withdrawals, I had an underlying undiagnosed condition that made it very difficult to keep from smoking, even if just a few a week, for short periods of time. The MAOI's in tobacco, as well as the alkaloids, were (and still sometimes are) difficult to do without.
I would highly recommend looking into some WTA liquids, at least temporarily. They include the entire alkaloid profile that is naturally found in tobacco--and those alkaloids are KNOWN to help many different conditions. I self-medicated without knowing it--and the WTA was a game changer for me.
Aroma Ejuice Manufacturer of WTA Whole Tobacco Alkaloid Eliquid
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...wta-discussion-thread-all-topics-welcome.html
Those of us who deal with brain chemistry/hormonal problems actually DO need some of these when we are quitting. Some of us continue using them indefinitely. With my medical treatment, I am finally free from the constant niggling, but I did not suffer because I had the WTA (and Swedish Snus) to help me get over the hump. Don't feel ashamed of something you can't control--find ways to work with it, correct it, and do your best to enjoy life despite it.
Best of Luck!
Everyone here wants to help, as long as you are willing to accept it. While I had very mild nicotine withdrawals, I had an underlying undiagnosed condition that made it very difficult to keep from smoking, even if just a few a week, for short periods of time. The MAOI's in tobacco, as well as the alkaloids, were (and still sometimes are) difficult to do without.
I would highly recommend looking into some WTA liquids, at least temporarily. They include the entire alkaloid profile that is naturally found in tobacco--and those alkaloids are KNOWN to help many different conditions. I self-medicated without knowing it--and the WTA was a game changer for me.
Aroma Ejuice Manufacturer of WTA Whole Tobacco Alkaloid Eliquid
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...wta-discussion-thread-all-topics-welcome.html
Those of us who deal with brain chemistry/hormonal problems actually DO need some of these when we are quitting. Some of us continue using them indefinitely. With my medical treatment, I am finally free from the constant niggling, but I did not suffer because I had the WTA (and Swedish Snus) to help me get over the hump. Don't feel ashamed of something you can't control--find ways to work with it, correct it, and do your best to enjoy life despite it.
Best of Luck!
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