I also had an effortless transition to vaping and I had smoked for over thirty years. And on opinions...you know what they say about everybody having one.
Are you weening down? Why not?
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I also had an effortless transition to vaping and I had smoked for over thirty years. And on opinions...you know what they say about everybody having one.
It's not that you 'sounded' dismissive and self righteous, it's that you were dismissive and self righteous. Your opinions about nicotine and addiction are yours and they are perfectly valid for you. That does not necessarily make them valid for me. I am always open to discuss things, but discussion is a two way street that for me never includes self righteousness or insults.
I can understand that. I may quit vaping eventually too, but it's not high on my list of things I need to do. I'm certainly not going to tell you that you're wrong for doing what you feel is right for you.
I don't understand why you see withdrawal as a weakness. Yes, it can be considered a weak moment, but it's also a sign that someone is getting over an addiction which is a very strong thing. I experienced withdrawal when I quit smoking. I dealt with it by vaping through it and got support from people on ECF when I really needed it. That only lasted a few months and by then it was so reduced it was very easy to overcome. I do not now have withdrawals when I vape zero nicotine juice, or when I don't vape for a day, or when I'm around smokers who are smoking. I still like the smell of cigarette smoke from a lit cigarette, but it has no pull on me anymore. I still use nic, but I in no way suffer for it.
Do what you have to do Benny, but remember that your solutions are not necessarily correct for everyone, just like mine are not.
That's why I don't push mine on anyone
I've learned many things from my time spent reading on ECF, and one of the key things I've learned is how many different experiences people have with cigarette dependency and nicotine usage. That has lead to knowing how pointless it is to project my own thoughts and experience onto others.
Are you talking about withdrawal from smoking or withdrawal from vaping nicotine? If it's from smoking, you're not the first person to walk that path and I'm sure you can find lots of help, ideas and support here on ECF.
If it's withdrawal from nicotine, I would suggest to take it easy on yourself. It's not a race to see who can stop quickest. Take it slow and gradual.
Well I can't speak for other people. But I can say for myself that I don't WANT to quit using nicotine. If, for some reason, I must quit using it I will then quit vaping. Until then I am glad to have a way to continue to enjoy the use of nicotine without the damage that comes from smoking. So I consider vaping a blessing that allows me to continue to use nicotine without the harm from smoking.
If you just think of vaping as a way to get rid of the habit & addiction of smoking then that's your prerogative. However every person that vapes is not doing it for those same reasons.
Had I not started vaping I would still be smoking. It has nothing to do with whether or not I could quit smoking. It has to do with the fact that I would not have even bothered trying to quit smoking. So then isn't it better that the smoking habit, which I would not have quit anyway, be replaced by a better version of that habit that might not cause me as much harm? I think so.
i don't believe you. evidence that forms my opinion as follows...
arrogance, pride and self righteousness... check
attempt at bringing others down to raise your self worth... check.
telling other adults what to do... check
that's your choice. we all have our own to make... as responsible (at least for ourselves) adults. realize that and respond as an adult dealing with adults and you'll have a thread you can read all the way through.
and just to be clear. when? 43 years and 10 billion dollars ago?
that's your point of view. my point of view goes a little more like this... "Its pretty clear from many, many other threads here that vaping has its health risks just like DRINKING PASTEURIZED MILK does, albeit less of them.
interestingly enough, as far as i know we have more collective information in the last few years about vaping than anyone did about smoking tobacco for the first few hundred years. as well, i believe the "50 years of study" you're referring to relates directly to big tobacco, the additives and treatments they apply to tobacco and the misconceptions you hold that somehow you can't disassociate from those additives and pure nic found in vaping.
you have lots to learn before getting anywhere in this conversation, my young pada-one.
i'm not sorry if the blatant truth offends someone so intent on offending everyone else. BUT! I do find people who can't control themselves when faced with no common sense and a huge, crippling sense of pride and self righteousness very, very disgusting.
your perception of your weakness is frankly laughable in the scope of the big picture of dependency and/or addiction.
however, if i, personally feel with drawls, i'm just happy i only wear comfortable cotton and bask in the comfort of knowing nothing's going to get caught in a zipper.
I started at 18 and am down to 3mg on one and 4mg on my other juice. I had planned to go down to zero in a couple months but bought 6 months worth of juice on black friday so that'll just have to wait. By the end of next year I intend to stop vaping all together.
I started at 12mg and have dropped to 10mg now going 5mg but more from going sub ohm .I have no plans to stop as of now but who knows what the future holds for now I'm just happy not smoking .if I stay vaping so be it at lest im not smoking
I think you have still missed the point of many replies on this thread:
1. Some people enjoy nicotine just like others enjoy caffeine. Now that there is a way to get nic without the dangers of smoking, why the pressure to make them give it up? (self-righteous)
2. Some people need nicotine and/or the other alkaloids for physical/mental health. I belong in this category. I would guess that most of the hostility towards your attitude comes from this group and frankly your apology shows that you still don't have, or even want, an understanding of us. (dismissive)
This is me also. If I weren't using nicotine I would be using some other prescribed medication & I'd rather not when I'm used to nicotine & satisfied with it.
Really? I did read this whole thread even if you didn't. I came in to congratulate those who responded in an intelligent, insightful and thoughtful manner to your original post that was, to me, the equivalent of smacking a hornets nest at a picnic. You've received some wonderful responses. Mine certainly wouldn't have been so kind but I let that go.
A theme of yours seems to be suffering and why we would willingly set ourselves up to suffer. Benny...that's exactly what most of us are NOT doing anymore. We're not suffering the side-effects of burning tobacco. Not suffering shortness of breath, not suffering from whatever made us want to quit, as many reasons as there are individuals here. We have choices now that have nothing to do with BT and their ilk, an extra special bonus.
I'm happy as a clam with my current 10mg and diy vanilla tobacco. Who cares what happens next, I'm in this for the long haul and stocked accordingly.
You haven't seemed to learn too much from smoking, or vaping for that matter. "Nicotine is not the problem, the smoke is the problem.", my doctor.
There's a very slim possibility the VG/PG base could be problem. A somewhat better possibility that a flavoring will prove to be a problem. There is no proof that anything in vaping WILL cause problems.
The effects of nicotine are well known and tested in many different delivery methods, including inhaling outside of smoke. Unless you have some specific health conditions nicotine is not a risk. If those conditions mean it should be considered a risk I guess everyone should give up salt too (guess what my condition means my body doesn't always get enough of, and I eat a ton of salt with no problems from it).
I had the plan of getting to 0mg and losing interest in vaping and then keeping some nicotine liquid and a working ecig around for when I failed at quitting rather than failing to cigarettes. My body had other plans. The thing is I would love to be off nicotine. Your high and mighty attitude doesn't leave any room for me, I'm just bad because I won't get off nicotine.
I'm sorry I can't fit in with your idealism but I'm not moving on to extremely risky drugs and surgery to please you when a very slightly risky nicotine increases the effectiveness of another very slightly risky drug by 30%-45% and it works for me. I am not going to risk death to please you.
Who knows, maybe someday I'll need a total colectomy. Maybe it will remove all my symptoms and since my plan if that should happen is to stay with an ileostomy rather than moving to a j-pouch there won't be a risk of pouchitis and I can get off nicotine then. But I will be doing it according to my situation not what you want to dictate with your disgust of me.
I find you're inability to get along with others who aren't exactly like you disgusting. That is the stuff the ANTZ and Nannies are made of. Way more disgusting than the worst addicts of the worst drugs.
I wish you luck in getting off nicotine and quitting ecigs if that's what you want. Too bad you aren't able to reciprocate the thought.
I suspect whatever the problem is that causes you to be disgusted when others have desires that differ from yours is going to be your sticking point, whether that is for the MAOI in smoke or the nicotine in ecigs.
I also suspect you're trying to go way too fast for you and that is why you are letting this control freak side come out that was probably more controlled when you smoked.
That was my main drive in wanting to be off nicotine. They can't regulate it.
If you learn what flavorings are OK you can buy everything you need to make 0mg at local grocery stores/farm stores.
They could go after vaping specific flavoring companies and they still couldn't stop you from making your own.
ECF has a quitting vaping section.
That's what's so ignorant about this poster. We can all get along and applaud anyone in meeting their own desires or help them get there, until someone like him comes along to try to dictate what everyone must do to avoid his disgust.
Myk, you have sarcasm dripping from your fingertips
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I quit nic three weeks after I quit smoking. It was not fun. The mood swings were something else, until I realized that I could forgive myself from getting into my stash of nic cartos (yes, primitive, I have learned since). I don't advise anyone to do it unless they have to, or it just happens.
!I quit nic three weeks after I quit smoking. It was not fun. The mood swings were something else, until I realized that I could forgive myself from getting into my stash of nic cartos (yes, primitive, I have learned since). I don't advise anyone to do it unless they have to, or it just happens.
Seriously? You beat yourself up because you've got a nicotine dependency?
All the things in this world you could be addicted to and you see nicotine addiction as 'disgusting'??
There's nothing wrong with it - and nothing wrong with me, or anyone else here that gets comfort from that addiction - it's only 'wrong' because other people (who may be addicted to drugs, alcohol, sex, money, power etc.) have made you believe it's wrong.
If you're a decent person why the hell should you care what the world thinks of you smoking/vaping? You know your habit isn't hurting anyone - stop behaving like a victim and see yourself as someone whose doubtless many myriad minor flaws are outweighed by the fact that you're basically - like most (all?) of us here - a good person.
Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.
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The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual), which attaches a number to nearly every psychological pathology, does not consider a dependency as an addiction (worthy of treatment) unless it causes distress to the individual and those around him/her. If the person is distressed by their nicotine dependency, that is a pathology in itself. If the individual is physically ill because of the dependency, or if it is causing financial problems, then it is worthy of being treated. Own your disorder, Benny, and deal with it, but don't try to impose it on others.
My vaping is no worse than chewing gum.
My vaping is no worse than chewing gum.
I think you're imagining this behavior. I've never seen someone who "can't control themselves" because they can't get nicotine and there are many smokers in my family so surely I would have seen it at some point if this happened. I have "jonesed" for a cigarette before though. But I think that's different in that it's the chemicals in the cigarette as well as the smoking itself that was the cause of that. But even at those times I was able to function & I was certainly able to control myself.
I'm at zero nic and have been for awhile. I may go back to a low nic level, mainly for the throat hit. But your initial sentence sort of stops in the middle. "Part of the purpose of quitting smoking, is no longer being addicted to a drug. "
Yes, getting away from an addicition was part of my reason to quit. But it's not the entire reason. The cost of smoking was a big reason for me. The smell was a big reason. The health implications were a big reason. None of those apply to vaping in the same way. The cost is massively less, the smell doesn't seem to bother anyone, and vaping is much, much healthier than smoking.
Now that I'm off the nic, I think I could quit vaping. I did skip vaping for a little over 24 hours recently after some dental work. But I don't have nearly as many reasons to quit vaping as I did smoking.
On your "go down 2mg at a time" I essentially did 3 at a time. Most venders sell in 6, 12, 18, 24, 30, so 6 point jumps. When I wanted to drop a level, I would mix (for instance) some 18 and 12 so I had some 15, and do that until I was out of 15mg. Then I'd move to 12 for awhile. When I got ready to go to 6, I did the same thing, mixing some 12 and 6 so I had some 9mg juice as a "step" in between. It worked for me.
And now we reach the basic problem. You just can't come to terms with the fact that vaping is not the same thing as smoking, and you want to be a jerk to everyone who vapes.
Ugh... fine. I've come off of zoloft and all my old habits have returned. Was taking it for A.D.D so that I could get through college (which is working) but I decided to break for it for a bit to see if I really benefited from it that much. Yes the Doc said it was ok to do. I have now come to realize that its pretty much the cure for whatever weird brain problems I actually have, as it not only cured the A.D.D but also several other problems as well. General negativity, meanness, laziness, (which I assume is tied to the negativity), A.D.D, social anxiety, all have returned with a vengeance. So maybe that's the problem with all these messages.
But what about the health effects of chain vaping? I go through at least 30 mil per week. And I frequently get vaper's tongue.
But what about the health effects of chain vaping? I go through at least 30 mil per week. And I frequently get vaper's tongue.
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