Are you weening down? Why not?

[optsmk]

I never started vaping to get off nicotine. I started to stop smoking. I have been using 24mg and 18mg juice since I started vaping again and never thought twice about it. But today I bought some 6mg juice just to see how it would be, and I don't really see a difference. I'm gonna see how this batch goes and if I don't have any problems, I'll get 6mg juice again, and then maybe even 0mg just to see how it goes.

 

[WillyZee]

But what about the health effects of chain vaping? I go through at least 30 mil per week. And I frequently get vaper's tongue.

Hi Benny ... drink lots of liquid and change up the flavours often ... try to spread out vape sessions as much as you can ... things will improve.

Cheers and Happy New Year

 

[Bennylava]

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. You are all truly great people!

 

[MissKitty47]

How is today going Benny? Lots of good vibes being sent your way!

Sent by my cat through pure magic

 

[Kemosabe]

Part of the purpose of quitting smoking, is no longer being addicted to a drug. We all had such trouble quitting, because the nicotine was so highly addictive. Just think about how it felt, all those times you tried to quit cold turkey. So you must admit, that part of the reason you quit, and why you kept smoking, was the addiction. The addiction is tied directly to the negative health effects of smoking, because if you weren't addicted, you would have been able to quit much easier, and we wouldn't have nearly as many vapers as we have today. Also vaping may not have ever been needed, as quitting cold turkey would have been a lot easier.

That said, why do so many vapers (probably nearly all of you) continue to just vape at whatever nicotine levels you were smoking at? Its so easy to just ween down now. I started at 18mg, (iirc) and slowly, over time, got down to 0mg. This did take a few years. But I did it. There are plenty of places out there that will let you go in intervals of 2mg, up or down. The place in town where I buy most of my vape juice also does this. I went down to 16, 14, 12, 10, etc etc until I got to zero. If for whatever reason, I can not vape, no big deal. So why don't most people do this? Why would you want to remain addicted, so that if something happens where you just can't vape, you go into freakout mode? Its actually disgusting to watch. There are plenty of situations that could arise that could prevent you from being able to vape, possibly for days at a time. Nicotine has also been linked to stomach cancer so that's another reason.

i disagree. the reason why i wanted to quit smoking was to no longer inhale toxins caused by burning tobacco, not to eliminate nicotine from my diet. i never once had a problem with nicotine. the myth that nicotine is bad for you is just that: a myth. it needs to be dispelled if we are going to gain and traction fighting against Big Tobacco and Big Pharma, just to name two.

 

[Grad]

wrong post

 

[Criticalmass]

ween
wēn/Submit
verbarchaic
gerund or present participle: weening
1.
be of the opinion; think or suppose.
"he, I ween, is no sacred personage"

 

[shedevil7953]

I've been vaping for a year at 24mg. I have no intention to stop as I love it. A former 3 PAD smoker, I'm tickled pink at my progress and that I stuck with the vaping. My goal was to get off smokes, never to stop vaping. That may change in time, but for right now I don't need the added pressure of weaning down or stopping. I'm sure I'll stop at some point but I'm not going to make myself crazy if I don't .

 

[MD_Boater]

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. You are all truly great people!

Happy New Year Benny. It can only get better!

 

[Bennylava]

Thanks you too bro!

But it seems to there may be some confusion. To be clear, I was able to ween off over the course of about a year and a half. Somewhere in that area. I didn't try to ween off too quickly, it actually took me a very long time to get to 0mg. Some of the posts in this thread looked as though the poster thought that I had tried to go from high mg to zero in a very short time span. Just wanted to clear that up.

 

[K_Tech]

Part of the purpose of quitting smoking, is no longer being addicted to a drug. We all had such trouble quitting, because the nicotine was so highly addictive. Just think about how it felt, all those times you tried to quit cold turkey. So you must admit, that part of the reason you quit, and why you kept smoking, was the addiction. The addiction is tied directly to the negative health effects of smoking, because if you weren't addicted, you would have been able to quit much easier, and we wouldn't have nearly as many vapers as we have today. Also vaping may not have ever been needed, as quitting cold turkey would have been a lot easier.

I was never addicted to smoking. I had - and still have - a chemical dependence on nicotine (and the rest of the chemical cocktail that is in cigarette smoke) and my chosen delivery method was the cigarette.

Not trying to be a butthead, but after some intense personal experience with addicts and a lot of reflection, I have a hard time calling myself (and other smokers) addicts.

That said, why do so many vapers (probably nearly all of you) continue to just vape at whatever nicotine levels you were smoking at? Its so easy to just ween down now. I started at 18mg, (iirc) and slowly, over time, got down to 0mg. This did take a few years. But I did it. There are plenty of places out there that will let you go in intervals of 2mg, up or down. The place in town where I buy most of my vape juice also does this. I went down to 16, 14, 12, 10, etc etc until I got to zero. If for whatever reason, I can not vape, no big deal. So why don't most people do this? Why would you want to remain addicted, so that if something happens where you just can't vape, you go into freakout mode? Its actually disgusting to watch. There are plenty of situations that could arise that could prevent you from being able to vape, possibly for days at a time. Nicotine has also been linked to stomach cancer so that's another reason.

I've been vaping a really short period of time (glances down at banner) and I started not to wean myself off nicotine, I did it to stop putting nicotine into my body via a less harmful method than smoking. Vaping also gives me pleasure, if you will. I enjoy the taste of different juices, and the hobby aspect of it really appeals to my inner geek. I love tinkering with coils and wicks and shiny bits. It satisfies me on an emotional level that smoking never did.

When I started vaping I didn't have a plan beyond "I'm not going to smoke any more cigarettes".

I still don't have a timeline to cut back my nicotine. I started at 24mg liquids, and that's pretty much what I still vape (although I've ordered from a few vendors that don't offer 24mg, and I have some 6mg liquids that I use mostly for dripping).

Will it happen? Both possible and probable. But for the time being, I'm just simply thrilled that I'm not lighting up any more cigarettes.

 

[Linden]

I'm weaning down, but not because I think nicotine is bad. I just want to not have it in my system for insurance cost purposes. That being said, I was at 18mg/mL for 2.5 years and one month ago made the choice to start lowering that number. I am currently vaping between 6mg and 12 mg depending on the time of day and the juice that sounds yummiest. It has been so incredibly easy that I question whether nicotine has much or anything to do with my use of a PV. I am becoming more and more certain that, for me at least, it is an oral habit of hand-to-mouth.

 

[singu]

I just went down to 0mg a short time ago and didn't have any problems with it...that has made me think about nicotine and is it really that addictive...something in cigarettes is addictive because i couldn't imagine that i could ever stop that habbit and was aggrevated if an hour or more had passed since my last cigarette.

 

[3mg Meniere]

Some of the posts in this thread looked as though the poster thought that I had tried to go from high mg to zero in a very short time span. Just wanted to clear that up.

I do not recommend that, unless medically necessary. The emotional consequences could get seriousl

 

[The Suit]

I'm not exactly weaning myself off. See, I was never addicted to cigarettes because of the chemicals - They helped me during finals week and the first few weeks of a job, but they were never THAT important to me.

I was, however, addicted to the act of smoking. It was a compulsion for me. I talk a lot, and I'm jittery. I just always need to be doing something with my hands, and something with my mouth (minds out of the gutters, come on.) I'm a cigar and pipe smoker, when I started working my last job, there was no way of me having either of those luxuries, so I kept cigarettes on hand to have a small smoke between shifts. I also, through some friends, got really attracted to hookah smoking. I enjoyed the hell out of that.

But all of those things are tobacco products. The cigarettes worst of all, the hookah less bad but still quite bad, and cigars and pipes are negligibly harmful (you don't inhale) but still not good, especially when paired with the rest.

Then I found an e-cig. Portability of cigarettes, size of a cigar, clouds and flavors like a hookah, and it has the "ritual" that I love in pipes. The assembly, packing the bowl right, a careful lighting, tamping, etc. I get all of those from RBAs, tinkering with mods, etc.

So I have no intent to wean down, I just cut tobacco majorly out of my life

 

[Rocketpunk]

Word, The Suit, word.

And like 0Mg Meniere said, I highly suggest any smoker who is attempting to quit not to immediately take the low nic plunge. It's not going to work that way. As much as you may hate your addiction to nicotine, your body is still addicted, and thinking you can make the plunge from a pack a day to 0 nicotine is not pleasurable in the least. Just remember, it's not the nicotine that kills you, it's everything else in a cigarette. I understand addiction and the desire to be free, and I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but it's just nicotine.

"JUST NICOTINE?!!!! JUST?!"

Yeah. It's just nicotine.

 

[Nirk]

I don't cut down because I like nicotine, I actually took up vaping 3 years after completely quitting smoking, I was on and off the nicotine gums for a lot of that 3 years, I just find that I enjoy the effects of nicotine and when I don't have it I am irritable, to me vaping is a nice alternative to smoking which is a lot less damaging to lungs etc. Nicotine is not harmless but it is nowhere near as bad as smoking and that is good enough for me. I am looking forward to seeing developments in eliquid and if they can release WTA liquid for the full smoking effect without the c**p that is in cigarettes.

 

[BillyWJ]

Word, The Suit, word.

And like 0Mg Meniere said, I highly suggest any smoker who is attempting to quit not to immediately take the low nic plunge. It's not going to work that way. As much as you may hate your addiction to nicotine, your body is still addicted, and thinking you can make the plunge from a pack a day to 0 nicotine is not pleasurable in the least. Just remember, it's not the nicotine that kills you, it's everything else in a cigarette. I understand addiction and the desire to be free, and I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but it's just nicotine.

"JUST NICOTINE?!!!! JUST?!"

Yeah. It's just nicotine.

Indeed. Nicotine has been demonized along with tobacco for a long, long time. I've had my eyes opened to this since coming here, and I have to readjust my attitudes and beliefs constantly. I was really curious about why it was so easy to walk away from cigarettes with vaping, when I'd tried everything else. Well, I'm getting my answers, and it's pretty damning for Big Tobacco.

Getting the general public to accept "It's just nicotine" is an uphill battle, but one we HAVE to wage. I've seen it accused of everything from birth defects to cancer to brain tumors, all recently in discussions about ecigs.

 

[Anjaffm]

Great posting, K_Tech
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With reference to tobacco cigarettes being addictive:
Studies have found that tobacco smoke contains MAO inhibitors that - combined with the nicotine - cause the strong urge to smoke.
Please note the words "combined with" the nicotine.

here is a short article:

http://www.scienceworldreport.com/a...e-sole-addiction-causing-agent-cigarettes.htm

and a scientific summary:

Transient behavioral sensitization t... [Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

Since tobacco smoke is known to contain many compounds including MAOIs, our data suggest that addictive properties of tobacco may not be limited to nicotine. We propose that MAOIs potentiate effects of nicotine on monoamines release.

E-cigarettes are not addictive:
There's No Such Thing as "Addiction" to Electronic Cigarettes! - YouTube

Nicotine does not cause cancer - no matter what OP may claim:

Electronic Cigarette From A Health Expert's Point Of View - YouTube

And nicotine itself - without the dangerous substances in the smoke as such - is about as "harmful" as caffeine. And has been found to have many positive effects.

Some reading material:

Researchers Investigate (Horrors!) Nicotine's Potential Benefits - New York Times

Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in Neurode... : Neurology Today

Top Story: The Surprising Health Benefits of Nicotine | Dangerous Lee News & Entertainment Network

(not everybody may agree with the source, but the information is valid)

 

[shazyzen]

MD Boater- you sure do know how to write a good post. Actually, all the members posts here are so interesting & very, very helpful to us newbie's. And boy this thread has been fascinating; indeed it's taken me quite a few sittings to get through the huge numbers of posts.

I am relatively new to Vaping & ECF; & I'm (10 days) analogue free as a consequence. Yeah! I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth: As much as the original poster annoyed me with his arrogant, ignorant tone (which I felt was very odd when I read it- as everyone else here has seems so understanding, kind, knowledgeable & open-minded) I now believe- after his latest post- that the OP simply does not know how to express himself properly. He probably didn't mean to be offensive; even though that is certainly the way he came across. Some people are better at writing- & expressing their thoughts- than others. And in my opinion, words can often be misconstrued.

However, that is not to say that he does not need to be more careful in the way he expresses himself. To say that Vaper's- who don't cut down their nicotine usage are "weak" & that those who are dependent on Vaping are "disgusting" is not nice. It's none of his business what people do, or how people Vape. This is a Vaping Forum after-all. So I feel he should just move on & find a different forum, because it seems to me he is on the wrong page- so to speak... Happy Vaping to everyone!

And yes MD- he sure did start out apologizing , then gave a blunt back handed compliment in his recent post. I hate when people do that. But there are always going to be bad apples... & yes he probably does have anger or esteem issues. But overall this is a great Forum &