Are you weening down? Why not?

[Ryedan]

Also, it's perfectly fine vaping to be nicotine replacement. You don't have to quit nicotine. Free country. That's the neat thing about vaping. You can do whatever you want. You can build coils to help heighten the effect of nictone without so much being delivered. You can vape a small amount of it. You can do whatever you want. I think vaping is utterly a positive thing. It can be for nicotine addicts, it can be for smoking addicts, it can be for people who have previously enjoyed pipe tobacco or hookah, it can simply be a new trend for all I care. It's better than smoking, all the way around. I'd even say, in the right set up and right juice, there may not even be health risks at all.

0mg, organic FDA approved ingredients, USA sourced ingredients, a wick and coil and tank that has been cleaned, no contaminants... what could really be that unhealthy about it?

Finally you're saying something I can agree with GoodNews, my first bold above

But what's with the 'A' word in the second bold? You should know the difference between addiction and dependency. You use different amounts of nic as you feel like. Are you addicted to nicotine?

 

[MD_Boater]

I cut down to 4mg and can chain vape if I want, or not touch my PV for hours. At this point I'm vaping mostly habitually. I enjoy the ritual of smoking, I just don't enjoy the whole 'dieing of cancer/killing myself slowly' part. I may never give up vaping, but I cannot let myself go back to smoking. Ever.

Cuando - I just noticed your avatar... LOL. Awesone.

 

[f1vefour]

A big reason some can't easily kick the smoking habit by vaping is because of the brand of cigarettes smoked and if that brand uses ammonia and ammonia level used.

Ammonia in essence increases the available nicotine base (freebase).

See the following two links:

http://www.rense.com/general39/tobacc.htm

http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/chemicalsinsmoke/p/nicoboost.htm

So, nicotine isn't so readily absorbed or inherently super-addictive in natural form (such as in ejuice). It becomes super addictive when mixed with other chemicals such as ammonia and countless others big tobacco have spent years and millions of dollars developing.

 

[Bennylava]

Sorry I didn't really mean to sound dismissive and self righteous. However, that was in response to many of those types of replies that I read in this thread. So many people who really didn't seem to learn much from smoking. I had thought that I would run into a more thoughtful crowd being as how you're all vapers who recognized the danger and decided to quit. Its seems the crowd is about half and half. And yes, my original post was actually intended to steer the conversation towards something like "Well in the end, wouldn't you quit vaping as well"?

I myself do not intend to vape forever. I intend to quit just as I did smoking. Its pretty clear from many, many other threads here that vaping has its health risks just like smoking does, albeit less of them. Much of that lies in the sheer lack of knowledge about the health effects of vaping, as we don't have 50 years of study to look at, like we do with smoking. And yes, I'm sorry if it offends someone, but I do find people who can't control themselves when faced with no nicotine disgusting. If I feel withdrawls I try and hide it and just suffer in solitude, unable to bear the thought of someone being able to see me with that kind of weakness.

 

[f1vefour]

Your obviously letting your self loathing overflow into this discussion.

I do find people who can't control themselves when faced with no nicotine disgusting. If I feel withdrawls I try and hide it and just suffer in solitude, unable to bear the thought of someone being able to see me with that kind of weakness.

Do you truly understand what addiction is? It certainly isn't a sign of weakness, the weakness is how you got addicted not the addiction.

 

[jhelliwell]

I too switched from traditional cigarettes (full strength Marlboro) to RYO years ago. The switch to vaping was easy. I remember struggling with switching to RYO. But even back then I knew that the additives in chemical cigarettes as I called them, we're not good

Now I'm in a situation where I can't vape for a few days, and it's no problem for me. I really do think I'm so much less physically addicted than I was to tobacco.

I have to nominate this thread for thread of the year, it has been the most useful, educational and inspirational thread ever.

 

[alisa1970]

And yes, I'm sorry if it offends someone, but I do find people who can't control themselves when faced with no nicotine. .

And which vapers would those be, hmmmm???

About the worst withdrawals from cigarettes got for me was a week's worth of headaches and a bit of spacy-ness. Not what I would call too over the top. Now I can go half a day without really thinking about it.

Quite honestly, you seem to be the only one talking about nic fits and disgusting displays of addiction...

Methinks the problem is looking back at you in the mirror.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Its pretty clear from many, many other threads here that vaping has its health risks just like smoking does, albeit less of them. Much of that lies in the sheer lack of knowledge about the health effects of vaping, as we don't have 50 years of study to look at, like we do with smoking. And yes, I'm sorry if it offends someone, but I do find people who can't control themselves when faced with no nicotine disgusting. If I feel withdrawls I try and hide it and just suffer in solitude, unable to bear the thought of someone being able to see me with that kind of weakness.

Two things about this post really anger me. 1. Not having enough long term studies to prove that vaping is HEALTHY, is not at all, in any way, shape, or form, the same as proving that it is UNHEALTHY. And to suggest that it does is ridiculous. Is it less healthy than breathing fresh mountain air...probably. But I don't live on a mountain top, so I'm pretty sure my fresh air isn't fresh.

2. If you wish to "suffer in solitude," that's your issue. Clearly reducing your nic to 0 has not benefited you, if you are still suffering, still feeling withdrawal, and feeling weak because of it. Please don't hold everyone else to your high level of self loathing. And self loathing, is what this is clearly about.

 

[MD_Boater]

Sorry I didn't really mean to sound dismissive and self righteous. However, that was in response to many of those types of replies that I read in this thread. So many people who really didn't seem to learn much from smoking.

Apology accepted. You were definitely wrong. We apprerciate the fact that you finally recognized that you are bull-headed. The first step in fixing a problem...

I had thought that I would run into a more thoughtful crowd being as how you're all vapers who recognized the danger and decided to quit. Its seems the crowd is about half and half. And yes, my original post was actually intended to steer the conversation towards something like "Well in the end, wouldn't you quit vaping as well"?

Backhanded slap not appreciated. You should have someone prescribe something for your anger issues. There is only one closed minded individual on this thread, and it is YOU. You simply refuse to believe that your position is wrong despite the fact that several people have replied with evidence and experiences that refute your position. Developing a theory, and then rejecting all evidence that does not support your theory is no way to do science.

Since the rest of us are so bone headed, please list the "danger(s)" that we are too stupid to recognize.

If I feel withdrawls I try and hide it and just suffer in solitude, unable to bear the thought of someone being able to see me with that kind of weakness.

So NOW we are getting somewhere. None of us were familiar with this "suffering" that you have been speaking of, hence our inability to see your point. Besides making you want to go hide in a closet, what is it like? Does it make you want to harm yourself? Crawl under a rock? Beat your dog? Let us know what other types of problems you are having. Most of us have been successful in controlling our physical and mental demons after we stopped smoking cigarettes. I am thrilled to report that I have never experienced any of those things that are making your life so miserable. Someone might have an answer that can get you past this suffering of yours. It must be pretty bad to cause you to lash out at us like you are. Most of us have full, complete, satisfying lives to fall back on. Anyone that knows me knows that I have a successful career, a lovely wife, a nice boat, and a happy family. When people look at me, I know that they see a successful man with a good life, and yeah - a vaping habit. "Weakness" is probably the LAST thing that folks would ever think of when they see me - even if I happen to be vaping or smoking at the time. If a little thing like vaping (or smoking) can make you look like a schmuck, then you should go accomplish something in life to give people a reason to admire you.

Look up "symptoms of low self esteem" and you will be looking in the mirror. In just this one thread, you have exhibited all of the primary symptoms: sensitivity to criticism, hostility, excessive preoccupation with personal problems, physical symptoms such as fatigue, insomnia and headaches (the "suffering" you have that none of us experience?). I think you need some profession help. I understand that Good News has a few openings on his couch. You might be able to work up an acceptable price and schedule with him. Just be forewarned that he is likely to vape or smoke during your session. I can lend him some cargo straps to lash you to his couch with to prevent any irrational physical outbreaks.

Best of luck to you my troubled friend. I wish you had just started this thread saying "I have low self esteem, and it bothers me that I have no idea what people are thinking when they see me vape.". We could have saved 5 pages of replies by giving you a single phone number to a local psychologist...

 

[DC2]

I think the best response to someone who sneers at you and voices an opinion that you're still a dirty, shameful addict and that you're doing something wrong is "Yes. I accept it. I have no problem with it. Anything else?"

Not me. I refuse to waste my breath on anyone that is rude, ignorant, or inconsiderate. If they aren't family, close friends, or someone whose relationship is profitable to me, all they will get is a no expression "thank you" and then "ignore mode". Life is too short to give them the satisfaction of any of my time.

Not me.

Anyone that voices such an opinion to me is going to get a whole big face full of me.
I'm not saying I would punch them, or even lay a finger on them, but they'd get a big ol' face full of me just the same.

I'm 6'5 and 260 lbs and I have the luxury of not putting up with crap like that.
The thing is, I'm 6'5 and 260 lbs and nobody has ever attempted to treat me like that.

My point? These people are nothing less than bullies, and nothing more than bullies.
And I don't like bullies.

 

[kbjoran]

Based on the, possibly inaccurate, assumption that a 0 mg liquid will be outside the regulation of the government and big tobacco, I have undertaken the challenge of cutting the nic. I started vaping two years ago at 18 mg and, as of January 1, 2014, will vape nothing higher than 6 mg. In 2015 I'll be at 0 mg.

 

[Moedog]

Honestly, I think all the posters that want to quit nicotine should resign from the ECF board and move to a "quit vaping" board. I enjoy my nicotine and believe it is beneficial to me. I suspect that those who are so ashamed and scared of using nic are the same crowd who were "peer pressure" analog smokers.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

I understand that Good News has a few openings on his couch. You might be able to work up an acceptable price and schedule with him. Just be forewarned that he is likely to vape or smoke during your session. I can lend him some cargo straps to lash you to his couch with to prevent any irrational physical outbreaks.

The GoodNews therapy plan does NOT accept cash payment. He only accepts properly working ce4 liquid testers. On the other hand... If you don't bring one with you, there sure won't be any successful vaping happening in that joint! 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another.

 

[cocacola31173]

I have stepped down from 12 mg to 6mg but it has been over the course of the year. I mainly done it cause I love to vape so much I would over nic a lot. Also the throat hit would get to much for me. I will probably get a few bottles of 0 nic for night time,

I do really like to vape but it nice to choose to vape rather then have to vape. I can tell a big difference when Im out and about that I rarely vape at all. The cravings are simply not there. But once Im at home and relaxing in front of the TV I have my Mod in hand at all times.

 

[somdfisher]

I'm at 18mg right now and after vaping I feel a little high, I may take it down a notch. The Nicotine was never a problem for me, I quit cold turkey for 6 months because I simply didn't feel like stopping to buy cigarettes. It's the motions of smoking that are hard to break. The hand to the mouth motion that makes it difficult for me.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I have no idea why people vilify nicotine. It's just nicotine. If you absolutely must be free of any addiction and/or dependency, more power to you. But you must also understand, some people don't loathe themselves because they enjoy nicotine. How many people are in Starbucks everyday loathing themselves for ordering their favorite foo-foo latte? This argument is so needlessly hotly debated. Live and let live, and to each their own. Your rights end where mine begin. Don't tread on me and er'ting. Hss.

 

[Rule62]

I'm a bit late to this thread; but I figured I'd jump in.
I didn't start vaping as a means of quitting smoking. I know that some people do. I didn't. I enjoy smoking. I always have. I started vaping because I believed, and still do, that it is a safer alternative; that's all. In the meantime, vaping has not only provided me with what I believe is a safer alternative; but a hobby as well. I have no intention of quitting. In fact, I vape more than I smoked. For this reason, I have cut back on my nicotine percentage, from 24mg when I first started, to the 10mg I use now. Some of this is due to the fact that I vape more; but also due to the efficiency of the equipment I use today, as opposed to the cigalikes and cartomizers I began with.

 

[Ryedan]

Honestly, I think all the posters that want to quit nicotine should resign from the ECF board and move to a "quit vaping" board. I enjoy my nicotine and believe it is beneficial to me. I suspect that those who are so ashamed and scared of using nic are the same crowd who were "peer pressure" analog smokers.

Honestly, I think anyone who tells any one of us how we should vape simply does not 'get it'. Just because you enjoy your nicotine, does not make that the right path for me. However, no mater what the right path for me is, I will never tell another vaper that my way is the only correct way and they are doing it wrong.

You're doing a 'reverse Benny'!

 

[cocacola31173]

I believe that nicotine was not the only addictive substance in cigarettes. Even with vaping at 18 mg nic in the beginning I still went withthrough a month of withdrawl....aches and pains and stuffed up sinuses. After a month that all went away. I didn't even quit on purpose. I was going to smoke at work and vape in the car and at home but I found myself vaping at work too cause it tasted better. I then just stopped buying cigarettes and haven't had any for over a year.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I must be one of the lucky few who switched to e-cigs immediately and had zero issues, withdrawals, etc. It was as effortless as switching positions while sleeping. Nicotine was also a non-issue with me. I hated that I smoked because it was a disgusting habit with very negligible benefits. I enjoy vaping thoroughly. I have absolutely no desire quit any time soon. I'm having too much fun. But assuming everyone will have the same opinion as me? Hardly. But the difference is, I don't care about what you do with your life. And thusly, I expect you to do the same with me. It amazes me how many people feel like they have a right to exert their beliefs and feelings on total strangers and then act shocked and surprised that others don't share the same opinion. People who feel the need to exert their beliefs and attitudes on to me and cry foul when they meet rejection, well, they can scream at a wall for all I care. We're all total freakin' strangers here. I couldn't give two rat's behinds about your opinions of me. You don't know me, I don't know you, and we can leave it at that. This is a forum, after all, a place where all can share their feelings without being attacked.