Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[LoveVanilla]

Lately thinking current crisis could/should put a stake through the heart of distinctions between "closed" and "open" devices. Personally I have rewicked and refilled early devices, and just reading same for juul. Fact is that "closed system" devices are fiction. And this distinction a tool to exclude devices which lack a big tobacco supply chain and finances. Timing would seem right to confront this argument and get it off the table.

 

[stols001]

I suppose pharmaceutical "smoking cessation" won't work for the insurance companies? I mean, nic iis nic is nic? Ooh that's gonna suck when it's like, SO expensive it's just impossible.

Olay I refuse to think about that now, I am just waking up and I think I caught a cold along with the pinkeye. Great. It's obviously vaping..

LOL I told my coworkers and they gave me death spray for germs and whatnot and wipes. They told me to wear gloves when I used it because when wet, it could cause cancer.

Cancer/pinkeye? LOL

Anna

 

[AttyPops]

And this distinction a tool to exclude devices which lack a big tobacco supply chain and finances. Timing would seem right to confront this argument and get it off the table.

It's hard to disarm an adversary, particularly when their tools/arms are of the propaganda type.

Sure the time is "now". And we try to get the truth out.
But I'm afraid that the sword of "closed systems protect against tampering" and the shield of "save the children from flavors" are well entrenched. Furthermore there seems to be collusion on the politicians part that no matter how much we scream "It's the nic" and "they're taking over the market and pods don't fix it" it falls on deaf ears. That means to me that we're jousting at their windmills, but we don't know what the back room deal is.

How do you fight a foe that won't present itself and hides in darkness, manipulating the public from behind a curtain of obscurity and obfuscation?

In the end, my fear is that the puppet-masters remain undiscovered.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I thought POTUS was issuing a statement about vaping on 10/11. Can't find anything about it here or the news?

 

[Baditude]

The FIRST STEP in solving the youth vaping epidemic.

 

[CMD-Ky]

If you could stream it to their phone...then you might have something going, Bad.

The FIRST STEP in solving the youth vaping epidemic.

 

[AttyPops]

You lousy fish killer S.O.B.'s you! You should be vaping instead!
California governor signs law banning people from smoking in state parks, on beaches


EDIT: Oh, and can't let MI enact it first, right?
.... Out: Bills would ban smoking on Michigan’s public beaches

(just FYI, and more evidence that they'll go after smoking with a vengeance soon. This is nothing.)

 

[rosesense]

WA sate banned from parks long ago and treated it like smoking. I am surprised it hasn't happened everywhere already.

 

[AttyPops]

...

Looks like a photoshop propaganda pic to me.....

 

[Rossum]

WA sate banned from parks long ago and treated it like smoking. I am surprised it hasn't happened everywhere already.

Some states are a bit less nanny-like than others.

"What are you gonna do, charge me with smoking?!?!"

 

[DarrenMG]

Looks like a photoshop propaganda pic to me.....

And even if it is not, setting policy on it is like well I heard one person fell down a flight of stairs, let's ban stairs, they are dangerous.

 

[AttyPops]

No No No! It's the FLAVORS, remember?

(This is a smart doc-lady)

In many cases, doctors say, teenagers have told them they vaped as a way to deal with stress and anxiety. Doctors said those underlying problems need to be addressed.

"I think we miss the boat if we treat the lung disease and then send them home to high risk for recurrence," said Anne Griffiths, a pediatric pulmonologist at Children's Minnesota who has personally treated about half of the two dozen cases at the pediatric hospital and reviews all the state's vaping-related cases. Some of the teens have told doctors they rely on vaping THC to help them sleep, she said. "My response to them is, if you are sedated, that's not the same as healthy sleep," she said. The bottom line, she said: "Discharging children home after this lung injury without counseling or therapy or addiction management, I think, is a big mistake."

Some patients with vaping-related lung injuries are being hospitalized a second time

 

[zoiDman]

You lousy fish killer S.O.B.'s you! You should be vaping instead!
California governor signs law banning people from smoking in state parks, on beaches

What made the article you posted Kinda Funny was that this Ad was indented into the Story Text...

 

[AttyPops]

Targeted advertising does it again, eh?

 

[stols001]

Dude, you know if I had ALMOST DIED from like vaping VITAMIN E etc., I don't think even *I* would have gone home and fired up my nic vapes. Some snus, some nicotine lozenges WHATEVER.

I'm not sure these people should be like, PUBLISHED. They should be JAILED for a period of time (CHARGE CLASS ONE FELONY OF STUPIDITY) so their lungs could get better and they would be in a safe environment for a time where their lungs can HEAL.

Youi know. I'm just SAYING. Talk about Dumb and Dumber.

Anna

 

[Rossum]

Dude, you know if I had ALMOST DIED from like vaping VITAMIN E etc., I don't think even *I* would have gone home and fired up my nic vapes. Some snus, some nicotine lozenges WHATEVER.

I'm not sure these people should be like, PUBLISHED. They should be JAILED for a period of time (CHARGE CLASS ONE FELONY OF STUPIDITY) so their lungs could get better and they would be in a safe environment for a time where their lungs can HEAL.

You know one problem society has? We no longer let Darwin do his work.

 

[DarrenMG]

You know one problem society has? We no longer let Darwin do his work.

Amen.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Looks like a photoshop propaganda pic to me.....

That's what I was going to say. Blow it up and it has the edge diffusion earmarks of being shopped. Especially looking at his lips.

 

[AttyPops]

FDA, Customs inspecting international mail in vaping investigation

 

[Alexander Mundy]

BTW, I noticed that the CDC is slowly changing what it's saying. It is now saying do not vape THC and consider refraining from vaping nicotine. Slight wording change but noticable. Also down to 13% no THC use not admitting THC use.

Outbreak of Lung Injury Associated with E-Cigarette Use, or Vaping copy_10.11&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Turning Point Brands Inc&dm_i=4VMU,812H,35O99S,U8GM,1

And they are apparently asking the medical community to test patients for THC now.

Vaping Illness: A New Name and Expanded Clinical Guidance Headlines 2019-10-12&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_Active