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Think I read somewhere that some of the xrays showed areas of speckling that they compared to ground glass. My recollection is that they didn't know what it was, but it's appearance on the xrays resembled ground glass. If they were taking xrays presumably the patients were alive so they couldn't dive in and get a closer look at those areas.
And now what someone should do is to go through older x-rays (from before vaping was a thing) to check if that's been seen before and therefore cannot necessarily be attributed to vaping. But somehow, I doubt this will happen anytime soon, because it wouldn't help with the narrative that's being pushed.
Well caught. I assumed it was a casual observation by the doctors that it resembled ground glass.
The list of conditions that can give rise to ground glass appearance in Xrays is really long. A bit like shortness of breath. You see that, then do a bunch of other tests to figure out what the cause is. On its own it doesn't tell you much except that there is something wrong with the lungs.
Wish I could find the original vaping article where it was mentioned. My recollection is that seeing this on some of the Xrays was used as a way of contradicting the suggestion that there was a single cause for all the cases. I'm not convinced it does that.
Hypersensitivity and poisoning were mentioned. I followed one link to hypersensitivity pneumonitis. It can be caused by exposure to a long list of irritants, mostly involving inhaling stuff on the job, and some hobbies. But most of those took a long time to cause the disease to appear.
Having a medical emergency with my mother right now, can someone please post this in the proper place? Thank you 
Oregon appeals court halts governor’s vaping ban on flavored tobacco products
Oregon appeals court halts governor’s vaping ban on flavored tobacco products
Having a medical emergency with my mother right now, can someone please post this in the proper place? Thank you
Hope that You and your Mom are OK.
Hope everything turns out wellHaving a medical emergency with my mother right now, can someone please post this in the proper place? Thank you
Just a news report on tonight about 100 plus deaths per day on opioids. After all the ink and bandwidth spilled on vaping over the last couple of months, I am reminded of a quote from the infamous Josef Stalin.
One death is a tragedy, millions merely a statistic.
One death is a tragedy, millions merely a statistic.
Sometimes I think people like to blame all of the societal woes on one thing. Vaping is the least able to defend itself so that’s why we’re under attack.
That, and the FDA approved all the opioids. Easy to blame vaping since (according to THEM, not Moi) there are noooo studies proving their safety or effectiveness
. FDA is never going to say, oops, we were wrong about that whole it’s safe to prescribe thing.Yup ground glass can be lung injury to pnemonia. Lipoid pnemonia needs to be associated with vaping THC bootleg period. If THC wasn't demonized this would not be happening I think
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Actually THC is not being demonized, always mentioned in the third or fourth paragraph, sometimes, after the vaping is the devil headline.
WE are being demonized.
Well that ground glass thing SURE convinced me it was all nicotine vaping, and like, ACTUAL ground glass, stuck in people's lungs because nowhere was it mentioned in the article.
If it was not mentioned it had to be true.
VAPE PLASTIC FTW.
Or whatever. I bet the cartridges WERE plastic. But I don't know for sure.
That is the most eerily sort of "terrible vaping term" that has little to do with vaping I have ever heard color me IMPRESSED.
OMG tomorrow is FRIDAY!
Anna
If it was not mentioned it had to be true.
VAPE PLASTIC FTW.
Or whatever. I bet the cartridges WERE plastic. But I don't know for sure.
That is the most eerily sort of "terrible vaping term" that has little to do with vaping I have ever heard color me IMPRESSED.
OMG tomorrow is FRIDAY!
Anna
Saw this at the end of an article today in my local paper. THC doesn't even get a letter in the acronym.
Does this disease have a name?
The CDC has started referring to this condition as E-cigarette, or Vaping, (product use) Associated Lung Injury, or EVALI.
It doesn't matter what the family swears. The patient was a chronic smoker with COPD--anything can show on his X-ray. See jandrew's definition below: It is a non-specific sign with a wide etiology including infection, chronic interstitial disease and acute alveolar disease.
Bingo!
It apparently does now...
The problem is, it stands for "we have no clue."As for real diseases, this is what we know so far.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe1912032
"The cases demonstrate a heterogeneous collection of pneumonitis patterns that include:
-acute eosinophilic pneumonia,
-organizing pneumonia,
-lipoid pneumonia,
-diffuse alveolar damage and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS),
-diffuse alveolar hemorrhage,
-hypersensitivity pneumonitis,
-and the rare giant-cell interstitial pneumonitis."
The causes are still unknown. But I think we can safely rule out PG and VG at least:
Effects of Electronic Cigarette Constituents on the Human Lung: A Pilot Clinical Trial
This is a very small pilot study from Ohio, but it seems to confirm what we all here already know.
95% of tested baby foods in the US contain toxic metals, report says - CNN
"Tests of 168 baby foods from major manufacturers in the US found 95% contained lead, 73% contained arsenic, 75% contained cadmium and 32% contained mercury. One fourth of the foods contained all four heavy metals.
One in five baby foods tested had over 10 times the 1-ppb limit of lead endorsed by public health advocates, although experts agree that no level of lead is safe."
Earth do FDA! Wanna save the children?
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